Kenyon Murray's Line up to Consider: Joe, Kris, PMac, Keegan, Filip. He Replies "Why Not?" when asked about CMac & JBo coming off the Bench
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I didn't blame CMac for CJ's departure, I said his playing time probably had something to do with it. The main reason players transfer is playing time.
On point 1, it's about the COACH having two kids on the team and the possible perception of preferential treatment that comes with that. (right or wrong)
Why are you claiming Kenyon said that should be the starting line up when he clearly did not do so?
Not sure what the difference is between CJ leaving because CMac is playing and CMac getting playing time. Are yiu saying that CMac took minutes away from CJ?
He took minutes away from everyone not named Garza, Bohannon or Wieskamp. He averaged the 5th most minutes on the team, and all the advanced analytics had him as the 9th best player in the rotation. People notice this stuff, especially when they or their kids aren't playing as much as they would like.
Don’t know much about Kris, but the rest of OP’s line up makes total sense. Perkins should also get major minutes.
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So CJ, who is 4th in mpg, is mad at Connor (5th mpg) for taking away his playing time and transferred?
To add, Connor was 3rd in mpg in 2019-20 at 30 mpg, which dropped to 5th in mpg at 22mpg.
As Dodger said, by all analytics, he was our 9th best player. And received 5th best minutes. People notice. The players clearly also know.
Ahhhh. So they sacrificed CJ to the transfer portal. Got it.
Or CJ left because Perkins and Ulis weren’t getting enough minutes?
You make a hobby out of trying to put words in other people's mouths. Give it a rest.
I'll go there. If you're asking would Iowa have been better without CMac vs CMac getting 23 minutes per game? Absolutely. IMO Keegan, Perkins, PMac and JT should have been collecting at least 10-15 of those minutes between them and the team would have been better down the stretch and today had that been the case.
This is in no way a slam on CMac personally. Seems like a great kid and teammate. I'm sure he works hard on his game and he seems to give great effort. He simply doesn't have the offensive or defensive skills or athletic ability that others on the team possess. He can't rebound, dribble drive, shoot, or play disruptive defense. He's too small and unathletic at the 3-4 and too slow with no threat to shoot at a guard spot. Last I checked those were all pretty important things in the game of basketball. I'm not blaming Fran either as he's his son and I'd probably be doing the same thing he's been doing. It's his team and it's up to him who plays.
Connor was required to play heavy minutes in ‘19-20 because Nunge and Bohannon were injured and our only other options were an ineffective Pemsl or playing a two big lineup with Kriener and Garza. We needed Kriener to spell Garza so Connor started at the 4, and we needed Connor to spell Toussaint at PG after Bohannon called it quits. So he played 30 minutes between two positions out of necessity... and it made sense
This year, Bohannon was back and resumed starting PG duties. Connor was still slotted at the 4 but quickly proved to be less effective than both Nunge and Murray at that slot, and was arguably less effective than Toussaint as backup PG. So the question many are asking is: how does he still finish with starter minutes? I’m not sure Dodger was making any point specific to CJ and his transfer as it related to Connor’s minutes, just that he was playing too many. I’d tend to agree
Every year this forum has numerous starting line up threads; it's a popular topic.
It's a popular topic on Twitter, too. Rick Webster clearly tweeted his starting line up. Then Kenyon replied with his line up.
And if you are coming off the bench, that would mean you are not in the starting 5, correct? Well, as you can see in the orig post, someone IMMEDIATELY wrote this after Kenyon posted his line up: No jbo? I mean I like your line up but Connor and jbo coming off bench, Fran won’t have that will he?
And Kenyon's reply? Why not?
So, he posts a line up, someone asks about it, and his next reply WAS talking about the starting line up where he made it clear he was fine with JBo and Connor not starting.
So, you can see why everyone in that thread thought they were all still talking starting line ups.
As you stated, Kenyon had to later explain it was simply a "line up" and not his starting line up.
Meanwhile, as you can see below, everyone else replied as if they were still talking STARTING line ups. Rick, who started the topic, even wrote that he wasn’t sure if you put 3 guys with similar skill sets in your starting lineup.
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Sooo am I the only one who didn’t know CM was having double hip surgery? If that’s the case, and with his limited skill set, don’t see any way he starts.
Especially without his main job of feeding Garzilla.
Again, everyone in that Twitter thread was talking the starting line up, so when Kenyon proposed his line up, I can see why everyone was looking at it as his starting line up.
and then someone replied to Kenyon about his line up but doubted Fran would leave Connor and JBo out of the starting line up, Kenyon, of course, replied to that starting line up question with "why not?"
So, Kenyon is fine with JBo and Connor out of the starting line up. And it is clear he likes the line up of Joe T, Kris, Patrick. Keegan and Filip. Whether or not those 5 actually become Fran's starting 5 this fall will be the question.
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Kenyon disagree's.
You can bold anything you want but you're full of crap on this. Kenyon thinks you need to learn to read by the way.
Its too bad in that starting line up Twitter thread that when he posted his line up he was not clear that it was only a line up and not "the" starting line up.
Because lets face it, THE starting line up was all that people were discussing, INCLUDING Kenyon, when he said he was fine with JBo and Connor not being part of THE starting line up.
And speaking of being full of crap, try not to be so outraged over this and take a laxative or something.
I think now is the time to just agree to disagree (and I hate that saying). Franisdaman isn't wrong for his (and others) interpretation. It does read that way. The problem is people used Kenyon's post to mean something other than what Kenyon meant (whatever he meant). People need to stop using Kenyon's post to promote their stupid views. Kenyon wasn't saying CM shouldn't play, but that's what some posters read. Kenyon wasn't saying CJ left because of CM or playing time, but some posters thought so. Kenyon wasn't send Fran a message (play my kids), but some posters came to that conclusion.
If we want Kenyon to post on this board (or any board) people need to stop treating Kenyon as the all knowing and really treat him as what we all are, a fan with an opinion. It's not right, it's not wrong. If we can't treat Kenyon as one of the guys/gals, then we're going to lose him. I prefer Kenyon post and I don't care if he gives his dream team. That's great. We may agree or disagree but we shouldn't use his post to promote negative things.
I enjoy Kenyon's input on these boards because it's pretty rare for players parents to provide that input.
The reason it's rare is guys like you misquoting statements for their own agenda's.
Please stop doubling down on stupid.
What Kenyon posted isn't bad. What Franisdaman posted isn't bad. What's bad is all the garbage posts that used Kenyon's post to promote something other than what Kenyon meant, Kenyon's dream team.
Wow. The outrage continues over the starting line up discussion that I shared from Twitter.
Please stop doubling down on your stupidity and your outrage.
Who's Eddy?
And again, he replied to a starting line up with his line up.
Enough with the fake outrage.
The person that he responded with "why not".... Never does it say "starting lineup". Stop spewing fake news.
I like a lineup of JT, Pat, KrM, KeM, FR, PS. Did I say that I want that for the starting lineup or naw?
Stop lying. If a player is coming off the bench, he clearly is not in the starting line up.
