Not so sure with Fran involved. There's nothing preventing him from playing Bohannon 30+ minutes a game and Connor 25+ (if he's able to go).
I don't assume anything when it comes to Fran's decisions about who sees the floor and for how long.
Kenyon Murray's Line up to Consider: Joe, Kris, PMac, Keegan, Filip. He Replies "Why Not?" when asked about CMac & JBo coming off the Bench
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I don't assume anything when it comes to Fran's decisions about who sees the floor and for how long.
I get it, and have criticized him heavily in the past for rotational decisions. I also think the minute distribution in the most important game last year, in a win or go home situation (Oregon), was pretty telling. Hopefully it’s not just because Connor/JBo were hurt, and that Fran saw what everybody else was seeing, but time will tell
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JBo
PMac
Keegan
Filip
To me, this is the starting lineup to start the season. Frankly, Kris hasn't shown enough to start this season (unless he's made big strides in practice.) He averaged .6 points, .6 rebounds, and .1 assists and shot 23% from the field last season. I understand he didn't get big minutes and didn't get a lot of consecutive minutes to get into a flow. Having said that, if he didn't have a twin brother that proved the potential, no one would be clamoring for him to start at this point.
I realize it's a unique situation because he has a twin brother that has started and played at a high level. That doesn't mean Kris is going to do the same (I think it's likely he will). This game isn't just physical, it's mental as well and the experience that Keegan was able to gain last season is the reason he will be a starter.
My hope is that Kris is in the starting lineup be season's end because it will mean he's at the level Keegan was last season which makes Iowa a VERY good basketball team. I think you start the season with known commodities and then change it up as guys, like Kris, prove themselves worthy of more minutes and/or a starting role.
JBo
PMac
Keegan
Filip
To me, this is the starting lineup to start the season. Frankly, Kris hasn't shown enough to start this season (unless he's made big strides in practice.) He averaged .6 points, .6 rebounds, and .1 assists and shot 23% from the field last season. I understand he didn't get big minutes and didn't get a lot of consecutive minutes to get into a flow. Having said that, if he didn't have a twin brother that proved the potential, no one would be clamoring for him to start at this point.
I realize it's a unique situation because he has a twin brother that has started and played at a high level. That doesn't mean Kris is going to do the same (I think it's likely he will). This game isn't just physical, it's mental as well and the experience that Keegan was able to gain last season is the reason he will be a starter.
My hope is that Kris is in the starting lineup be season's end because it will mean he's at the level Keegan was last season which makes Iowa a VERY good basketball team. I think you start the season with known commodities and then change it up as guys, like Kris, prove themselves worthy of more minutes and/or a starting role.
Agreed. The thread title is misleading. Perhaps @Franisdaman will consider changing in for the sake of accuracy.
Yep, all the guy said was “lineup he wants to see.” That does not imply “starting lineup”.
I'd guess Kenyon is just having fun and obviously wants both his kids to start. Every father does. I think many in this thread are taking Murray's tweet a bit too seriously.
I'm not convinced that Connor is playing basketball next year but instead uses the time to get healthy and focus on baseball. IMO that would be a best case scenario for all involved.
If he does play basketball it's tough to see any scenario where Connor doesn't get at least 20 minutes per game if not a starting role.
If he does play basketball it's tough to see any scenario where Connor doesn't get at least 20 minutes per game if not a starting role.
Actually, I think this would be a good thing. Connor is bright, articulate and passionate about Iowa basketball. His knowledge of the system is probably only second to Fran. Being younger than 60, he might be a great recruiter for the program.
Here's my lineup. No idea who starts for all spots. I think the two bolded below are likely starters. I'd put JBo in that category too if he is fully healthy. As you can see, we're light on guards and could really use a senior transfer combo guard to help fill out the roster.
PG: Joe T/Ulis (JBo and CMac as emergency backups)
SG: JBo/Perkins
SF/PF: Some combo of Murray/Pat/Murray/Sandfort/CMac
C: Filip/Mulvey/Josh
PG: Joe T/Ulis (JBo and CMac as emergency backups)
SG: JBo/Perkins
SF/PF: Some combo of Murray/Pat/Murray/Sandfort/CMac
C: Filip/Mulvey/Josh
This is what I was thinking as well. If Kris is starting at the 2 spot, I don’t see how Perkins would want to stick around. I think you start Perkins and have jbo come off the bench at the 2 and let him shoot away. Kris can come off the bench for pmac at the 3. And if weezy comes back, we’ve got a mess.
I don't really follow Iowa baseball as closely as I should, but is he a legit MLB prospect?
Didn't say STARTING LINEUP did I??
Thank you for clarifying. Would someone go to the Old Capital building and tell Innercircle to stand down. Kenyon wasn't sending a message.
This has been pointed out numerous times by other posters (including myself) in this thread. It was also proposed by Kakert in a podcast recently, so it's been out there as a possible lineup. That's all. And it would be fun to see what it does to opponents on both ends. 🙂
Is Perkins in the lineup if you go with the the 5 best defenders that can play in your face man to man and get steals and run? That Oregon team I think showed a good blueprint. The roster is in very good shape. Dr. Tom approves.
I wasn't sure whether Kenyon meant starting or not and really didn't care. I was more concerned about how people used the tweet to attack CM.
Franisdaman is the one who started the thread and mentioned "starting 5" so it took off from there. In Franisdaman's defense, if you read the tweets, I can see where someone might get that impression. Not Kenyon's original tweet but rather the response to Eddy Derifield. Eddy ask a question about whether Fran would allow CM and JBo to come off the bench. So I think Eddy was thinking "starting 5" as well. Then Kenyon's response of "why not" kind of acknowledged what Eddy was thinking.
The good news is, it's straightened out now.
Thank you! Again, the OP should change the misleading title of this thread.
I was going by what Frandaman said. I retract my statement if Fran posted bad info. I'm not sold on Kris starting. Perkins showed me a lot of promise. It doesn't matter as long as JT, JBo, Perkins, Murray twins, Pmac, and the big transfer get starter minutes. Maybe Ulis also but he hasn't shown enough yet for me.
My apologies for the post I made about this being a message to Fran. I was mislead by the thread title instead of looking into it myself. I don't apologize for thinking Kris and Perkins should've gotten more minutes though.
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If I were the coach:
Starters:
Toussaint (24 mpg)
Perkins (22)
PMac (22)
Keegan (28)
Rebracca (22)
Bench:
JBo (18)
Ulis (17)
Kris (16)
CMac (13)
Riley (10)
Other (8)
Starters:
Toussaint (24 mpg)
Perkins (22)
PMac (22)
Keegan (28)
Rebracca (22)
Bench:
JBo (18)
Ulis (17)
Kris (16)
CMac (13)
Riley (10)
Other (8)
You weren't the only one and I wasn't sure what was meant. That's why one of my posts was that Kenyon needed to clarify because otherwise it's left for interpretation and that's rarely good.
Joe is going to have to improve a lot to make it to 24 mpg.
And no way Rebracca logs fewer mpg than Keegan.
I personally don't see how he could be a prospect for the majors. We've had better players than him come through and not get much of a sniff from Double-A ball. For instance Jake Adams is the career Home Run leader for us and he's only played 10% of his career at the Double-A level. The basketball injuries making him skip spring ball are really going to put a damper on any progress too. So many of the fielders and hitters in the big leagues have "superhuman" reflexes and vision that normal people, and even guys that are above average athletes like Connor, don't have.
Thanks Kenyon, agree 100%. I would love to see that line up at times on the floor. Take it from there.
I don't know what Connor's major is but I think his future is in coaching, not playing any professional sports. He will be luckier than most former athletes seeking to get into coaching. He has an in.
I said a year ago that having two of your kids on the team was a recipe for disaster unless everything went great. It also doesn't help recruiting.
I'm sure Connor's playing time had something to do with CJ's departure, and as diplomatic and positive as Kenyon is, it has to be on his mind too.
Be careful now, more than one dad has 2 kids on the team.
And to blame CMac for CJ's departure is ludicrous.
Which has no basis in reality. I'll never understand why some people on here think that non-starters will ever be in the top 5 minute wise. Starters get the most minutes. That's why they call them starter minutes.
I think regardless of how the starting lineup shakes out, one of Fran's biggest and toughest decisions is how many minutes to give JBo.
More to the point, knowing when he's having an off shooting night and pulling him.
When JBo is hot, he can carry a team. When he's cold, he is a liability. I still think you start him and see if he's got the hot hand. I think points will be harder to come by next year and we are going to rely on JBo's shooting a lot.
More to the point, knowing when he's having an off shooting night and pulling him.
When JBo is hot, he can carry a team. When he's cold, he is a liability. I still think you start him and see if he's got the hot hand. I think points will be harder to come by next year and we are going to rely on JBo's shooting a lot.
