What do you want this message board to be the super fans? "Who would win this game, Fran coaching against God?"
"unfair question, Fran is God!"
"Hawks by a million over Rutgers!"
Kris getting David Palmered
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"unfair question, Fran is God!"
"Hawks by a million over Rutgers!"
LOL! Do you even know who was on the team playing ahead of him?
Real simple. Just requires some basic communication skills.
A brave soul at a press conference with Fran needs to ask "Why isn't Kris starting?".
LMFAO I crack myself up at times. Like that would ever happen. Yeaaa dat wuz a guud-un.
A brave soul at a press conference with Fran needs to ask "Why isn't Kris starting?".
LMFAO I crack myself up at times. Like that would ever happen. Yeaaa dat wuz a guud-un.
Correct. Kris' natural position is a 3. He is versatile enough to play 2-5 and can probably play any of them better than anyone else on the team not named Keegan. He also rebounds and plays defense at a level far superior to both. It's great that they combined for only 2 turnovers. In those 62 minutes they also shot a combined 31% (worst on the team), gathered a TOTAL of 6 rebounds (Patrick the forward gathered 3 in 32 minutes), and TOTAL of 3 assists. That's a pretty awful line over 62 minutes no matter how you cut it.
Rutgers lurker here... it feels like whenever I visit your board as we prepare to play, there is a thread where your fans are discussing a change you want to see happen. I end up fearing Fran will make the change for us, we will be caught off guard because it is unexpected usage, and we will struggle to adjust.
Looking forward to facing you without Garza and Weiskamp. I still won't watch a replay of the banked corner 3 at the buzzer. The Nunge transfer was a bummer for your squad, that guy is a player but I understand his personal reasons for needing to transfer. I think it's funny that JBo and Geo have had some back and forth chatter online over the year(s).
We had a couple guys debating who will draw Keegan on D. Some say Harper, others Caleb. I expect it to be Caleb unless/until that doesn't work well enough.
Hoping for a healthy game and a RU win tomorrow, of course!
Looking forward to facing you without Garza and Weiskamp. I still won't watch a replay of the banked corner 3 at the buzzer. The Nunge transfer was a bummer for your squad, that guy is a player but I understand his personal reasons for needing to transfer. I think it's funny that JBo and Geo have had some back and forth chatter online over the year(s).
We had a couple guys debating who will draw Keegan on D. Some say Harper, others Caleb. I expect it to be Caleb unless/until that doesn't work well enough.
Hoping for a healthy game and a RU win tomorrow, of course!
Nah - I'm just a little more well centered than to continually bitch about something that I'm in no way close enough to the situation to understand what is going on to do so. I also don't claim to know more than a professional basketball coach. But the same people who think Connor sucks (I promise you he could spot 90% of the people on this Board 9 points and still beat you to 10 - in fact, the majority of you wouldn't even get a shot off) think they know more than a coach. OK.
I don't know how much Fran looks at +/- for each player, but Kris is sitting in last of the 10 rotational players. This could be why he isn't getting the minutes.
Keegan 166
Rebacca 160
JBO 131
Toussaint 122
Patrick 91
Ulis 85
Connor 80
Perkins 55
Sandfort 54
Kris 34
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Could you please post a link for this? I tried to find this specifically for Iowa players the other day but couldn't. Thanks in advance.
The message board flex. I get it. I don't get on enough or have the desire to track how many times an individual posts about being a better coach than the coach. I don't remember seeing anyone claim that they could beat Connor in basketball, the claim is that his minutes should be going to more talented players.
Hey thanks for trying to keep everyone "centered."
This is a prime example of what's gonna happen/is happening with some of the "extra year" guys and their underclassmen teammates.. JBo is taking minutes that should be Kris's.
Minnesota does have a true post player, but luckily for Iowa, he only played 11 minutes and it was all in the second half.
Imagine if FR Trey Thompson took a few of Charlie Daniels’ 18 first half minutes. Easily could have been a different game.
You really want Kris and Joe T. handling the ball around the perimeter at the end of games?
It really should depend on the opponent and who’s playing well. The biggest issue with JBo on the floor is obviously defense and rebounding deficiencies. Those can be made up for if JBo is hitting greater than 40% from 3, like he was his first two seasons at Iowa, but right now he’s around 37% for the season.
The one caveat is that JBo draws a lot of attention, which opens the floor for other players. Could Kris draw the same attention? I think he could. He’s just under 42% from 3 for the season and I think with an expanded role Kris could easily boost this team offensively, defensively, and with rebounding.
Frankly, I don’t see how Fran can justify only playing Kris 17.4 minutes per game. He should be near 25/game at the least, especially given this team’s issues with defense and rebounding, but I gave up on trying to understand Fran’s logic on rotations and minute distribution a long time ago.
I thought about responding, but originally chose against it.
Cy Tate, Cole, and Fuller were the bigs playing over Palmer. Gatens, Jake Kelly, and Jeff Petersen (Jermain Davis) made up the rest. I liked Palmer and wish he got more time back then, but pretty hard to say he was the “best option” vs the above mentioned players. *Anthony Tucker when sober.
The comparison between Kris and Palmer is pretty ridiculous, but I think most of us already know that. Palmer played in only 19 of Iowa’s 32 games that year. Palmer only played 10 of Iowa’s 19 conference games too.
Palmer would go from playing 5 mins to DNP, except for a five game stretch in B1G play. Then back to DNP or 5 minutes. Kris’ time, although not what we may like, has been fairly consistent.
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Compared to whom?
From the little I’ve seen of Iowa basketball lately, Joe T has been playing more under control and affecting the game positively. Is that not the case? And yes, I think Kris is capable of asserting himself if given the opportunity.
No, but it's not a simple 1 for 1 equation. No JBo changes the whole rotation which would likely result in more minutes for Kris...esp w Kris's versatility...he deserves more minutes.
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Isn't that the lineup Kenyon posted as possible before the season started?
Somebody has to handle the ball, especially at the end of games. That is not Kris Murray's strength at this point. I think the combo of Joe T and Bohannon is good. At some point people have to realize only five can play at one time and certain games will dictate certain matchups. Rebraca had a good game and Keegan was not in foul trouble. Kris Murray will get his minutes. But not at the expense of handling the ball at the end of games.
Kris could be in over Pat
Again, a player had a stat like of 29 and 11 in a Big 10 game and that player does not start and played 11 minutes in the next game. That has to be a very rare occurrence in Big 10 history.
I know, I am stupid
Toussaint had three TOs vs MN. Two were careless mistakes, one was bad timing play to Keegan that he threw the pass out of bounds before Keegan could get to the spot. Toussaint still gets ahead of himself at times, but not nearly as much as his FR and SO seasons.
You must have missed the part during the last game where Jbo double dribbled in the closing minutes for an unforced turnover. I think that was right before or right after Pmac dribbled it off his hip and out of bounds. Good thing Kris with those bad handles wasn't in the game.
The + - numbers make sense considering the line changes that Fran uses. The top 5 are the "starters" and then the second unit tends to perform worse. I guess it could be that Fran has it figured out and the Top 5 in +- are the ones that should start.
Is +- available for Conference games?
I don't know how the +/- stats work, but my understanding is how the team does while you are in. When has Kris been in the game? Earlier in the season, it was usually when Keegan was not. He was usually in when Connor, Ulis, Sandfort, and Perkins was in. So the stats does not fairly explain a players value. So if Kris needs better +/- stats, put him in when Keegan is in.
+/- is a deeply flawed stat and one i don't think many should use as a basis for an argument IMO
Agreed. He still does turn it over too much at times, but I think that his game is dramatically improved from last year. He delivers a lot of assists at better than a 2/1 ratio. His shooting has also improved to where he's 4th best in the rotation in EFG% and he's only missed 2 free throws all year.
Truth! NHL did away with it, Danny Ainge a NBA GM thinks it's absolutely worthless. Just think back to last year, players that were in with Garza versus not had a huge +/- advantage, pretty similar to being in with Keegan this year.
Pmac didn’t dribble off of his hip. He received a pass that Minnesota reached in and knocked it away off of his hip.
Agree the Bohannon double dribble was crap. No way in the hell the official could be 100% certain that JBo double dribbled from his angle.
I need to watch those again. So you're saying Pmac's turnover was legit but Bohannon's was not?
I wish Toussaint would be a little more selfish in the right spots. His shooting has been a lot better this year and he is more than capable of driving to the rim.
It’s kind of like the ole Stanzi and Beathard argument. In order to get a few home run balls, you’re going to have to live with a few INTs and the occasional pick 6.
Depends on how you mean legit, I guess.
Pmacs was a still a TO on Iowa that was his fault. MN made a play, but it was Pmac’s fault. Just saying he wasn’t dribbling. That wasn’t the play BB called crap.
The crap call was the double dribble on JBo. Whether JBo double dribbled or not, there’s no way for the official who called it to see from where he was standing.
The two of them had a total of 2 turnovers in 62 minutes - but I digress. And while this is not a bash Kris comment - he had 1 turnover in 11 minutes.
1. Kris has had some good games but Minnesota wasn't one of them. Not to be hard on the kid, but he was pretty darn bad against the Minny.
2. Kris wasn't the only bench player with reduced minutes in the game. Fran happened to ride the starters longer in that one
3. Is there actually someone out there that believes Palmer deserved any minutes?
2. Kris wasn't the only bench player with reduced minutes in the game. Fran happened to ride the starters longer in that one
3. Is there actually someone out there that believes Palmer deserved any minutes?
