Kyle Ruschell
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Having him wrestle doesn't help USA seed at that weightfor worlds. I think that's why he didn't like it.
They are seeding at worlds now and no more draws? Thought #1 and #2 at last Worlds/Olympics get separated.
I think it comes down to availability of the guys.
Edit: Looked it up and saw the seeding of the top 4. However, somebody knew Ruschell was ready to go and wouldn't embarrass himself and he didn't. Don't know if some of those guys care about seeding or not.
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Yeah fair enough. Maybe each of them want to focus their efforts on earning the spot since it is so up in the air.
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Neither did Ramos/Garrett, the guys at 86kg, the top two HWY, or the guys at 65kg. But hey, they are lining up for Beat the Streets. My point is this...the lineup didn't include top guys. Is it really Kyle Ruschell or USAW Willie should be calling out? If Kyle Dake, Tony or any of those guys wanted to go, they would have been there.
And if KR dismantled everyone like he did, were Dake and JB figuring it wasn't worth the effort?
No disrespect to KR, congrats on a great tournament!
No disrespect to KR, congrats on a great tournament!
I think part of Willie's calling out USAW was about the schedule as a whole and how the Open was a week before an event that actually "mattered" in terms of seeding points. It was kinda part of a larger point on how wrestling needs a schedule in the Olympic styles.
I get Willie's point (about not wrestling our best etc) however I saw the articles about the new seeding system and they were released late March. The Open and everything else was scheduled way before the changes took place which means if that was also his point, there are a lot of logistics involved in changing something that big. Plus, you move it up and it affects NCAA guys as well. I think most of the guys that had skin in the game (Streibler, Snyder, Green etc) and could contend for a seed did show up. Lots of moving parts and perhaps they'll adjust next year. I still think the guys that don't have a chance for a seed will not bother and just show up at Worlds to wrestle.
I didn't listen to the FRL about if Willie were Boss and ran wrestling so I did not get all of his opinions. I do know that he comes from an organization that can't get their main mission right: Making sure paying fans see their events without interruption (or at least as little as possible). Flo gets that right...then they can throw stones at others (not that this stops them). BTW, I have defended Flo on here more than most (Willie too, I like him) so I am not axe grinding.
Guys, it wasn't really even about not sending our best. But, the guy isn't even on the ladder at 74kg. In fact, let me quote Willie:
"Ruschell hasn't wrestled in 3 years and never at 74kg."
I don't think he was even saying have Dake or Burroughs go. But, you would think someone in the top 8 at the actual 74kg weight class would go.
With that said, congrats to Kyle. I am not so sure I could have done as well after 3 years of not wrestling.
not so sure=absolutely certain I couldn't!
"Ruschell hasn't wrestled in 3 years and never at 74kg."
I don't think he was even saying have Dake or Burroughs go. But, you would think someone in the top 8 at the actual 74kg weight class would go.
With that said, congrats to Kyle. I am not so sure I could have done as well after 3 years of not wrestling.
not so sure=absolutely certain I couldn't!
Well wtf difference the guy has not wrestled for 3 years and went undefeated congrats to him.
Now darn it Willie maybe you should try to do that. When was last time you wrestled?
I also have liked flo but getting sick of not being able to watch with out problems every darn meet your outfit streams..Have yearly membership and if not improved can bet will cancer next year.
As far as some bitching about not enough attention from you guys doesn't bother me because I'm, in the Terry camp "you get what you earn" and our day will come. Maybe you could just go and tell all your buddies on BWI to shape up a few of their boys like Alamone, Flying Tiger, Spyker just to name a few. Instead of always mentioning how bad HR is ok. Have a good day.
Now darn it Willie maybe you should try to do that. When was last time you wrestled?
I also have liked flo but getting sick of not being able to watch with out problems every darn meet your outfit streams..Have yearly membership and if not improved can bet will cancer next year.
As far as some bitching about not enough attention from you guys doesn't bother me because I'm, in the Terry camp "you get what you earn" and our day will come. Maybe you could just go and tell all your buddies on BWI to shape up a few of their boys like Alamone, Flying Tiger, Spyker just to name a few. Instead of always mentioning how bad HR is ok. Have a good day.
Ok pinters like I said if can afford will go the $1.00 a win will depend on how many wins they can get .
Kyle Ruschell kicks @$$ and all you can do is whine about world seeding? The guy has had some injuries and what-not to recover from.....stepping away from competition for a while tends to give one a better perspective.... how about a "that is freakin' awesome, Kyle!" ?
I think every e agrees that it is awesome. I think the concern is that the teams are not being picked with politics involved. That is all. Everyone wants to see the best person on the teams and from an outsiders point of view, Kyle could have been a political pick. I am not saying he was. I am saying that is a concern and no one wants politics rearing its ugly head when it comes to making a USA team.
Once again! Great job Kyle. That is something to be proud of.
Political pick? Do you mean Kyle being the pick to represent the U.S at the Pan Ams? Cuz the way Willie and others have described, Kyle was pretty much the only one they could find that would go....
I do not know if it was a political pick. I am saying that it is the fear some people have. I have no problem with Kyle going if he is the only one who will step up for whatever reason. I am not trying to throw stones here, just explaining some peoples reaction to it. It would be nice if the people at USA wrestling would clarify why he was chosen. But then again, who are we to make demands?
On what basis could Kyle have POSSIBLY been a political pick?? He's the second assistant at a lower middle of the road Big Ten team.
By the way, I'm glad that you are glad that Kyle won too. He's a decent guy and a lot of fun to hang with.
What is a political pick? Someone knows someone or is friends with someone who makes the decision. I have no information to say he was a political pick. I am just saying that people seem to be concerned that it is possible and we do not want our team members to start getting picked based on politics. Once that happens it just gets worse. USA Wrestling could easily clear this up.
Apparently, someone got sick/hurt who was supposed to go. Kyle was available, not far from weight, had an updated visa/passport, in shape and was willing to compete. Oh yeah, then he tore up the field.
Its the Pan-Ams, not the World Cup, the Yarygin, Tblisi or Worlds/Olympics for cryin' out loud. Let it be.
And by the way, if you are concerned about politics playing a role in the choosing of a team, look no further than the travesties that just happened at the US Open. I would say those displays of partisanship were much more blatant than an old Badger subbing for this tournament.
The Pan Ams only are a qualifier for the WTTs, not much else here in the USA.
FWIW, I hope Kyle enters the WTT and surprises everyone, ala Daniel Dennis.
Its the Pan-Ams, not the World Cup, the Yarygin, Tblisi or Worlds/Olympics for cryin' out loud. Let it be.
And by the way, if you are concerned about politics playing a role in the choosing of a team, look no further than the travesties that just happened at the US Open. I would say those displays of partisanship were much more blatant than an old Badger subbing for this tournament.
The Pan Ams only are a qualifier for the WTTs, not much else here in the USA.
FWIW, I hope Kyle enters the WTT and surprises everyone, ala Daniel Dennis.
That is a good explanation as to why Kyle went. I am glad he had the opportunity to compete and he was able to go and that he did so well. Maybe we will see him at the WTTs.
But that was some people's big rub - it's more important than some of those events you listed because it now directly counts for seeding at the World Championships.
Future years we need to adjust our Open/WTT schedule to make sure our world rep goes to Pan Ams but like Chief said above it couldn't be helped because the new seeding rules came about way too late to change the dates.
Thanks for the info, awesome for Kyle to step up on short notice and kick butt.
He's pretty stoked!
By the way, is that Willie Saylor a d-bag or am I mis-reading him?
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you're misreading him.
he's an excellent guy.
he's an excellent guy.
Unfortunately the world does not schedule anything to take into account our folk style schedule. The open waits until the NCAA tourney is done. That leads to conflicts with Pan AM games and other tourneys. It is what it is.
His (yours) tweet didn't sound very friendly, Willie.
Showing up for work is 95% of a person's success, and opportunity met availability here. Always be prepared, right? And....Kyle Ruschell is one heckuvan exciting wrestler to watch. As a folkstyler, he was a nightmare to many, especially on top. Great that he could forge ahead with a Pan Am win.....some guys, maybe a returning WORLD CHAMPION for example, couldn't get the job done- (kudos to that Cuban wrestler)
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