Liberals,...why do you only ever play one side of the racial issues?

[HawktimusPrime]

I want a serious debate here. I want to know why you only ever speak of white vs. any other minority crime or violence.

I want to know why when shown the statistics and crimes among the minority populations and their communities, you are nowhere to be found.

What is it that makes you so afraid to tackle the racial issues from all sides?


Liberal or not liberal, it matters not. Feel free to share your opinion on this. If you believe what I'm saying is not true, then explain why.

 

[BABiscuit]

What is there to discuss? I can't speak for all liberals, but I know every race is racist and I know minorities kill other minorities. I doubt that will generate lively debate. On the other hand, there are plenty of people here ready to defend any and all charge leveled against the persecuted white man.

 

[fredjr82]

I want a serious debate here.

 

[Wahawk56]

What is there to discuss? I can't speak for all liberals, but I know every race is racist and I know minorities kill other minorities. I doubt that will generate lively debate. On the other hand, there are plenty of people here ready to defend any and all charge leveled against the persecuted white man.

 

[The Tradition]

You're going to have more crime in a poverty-ridden neighborhood no matter what race lives there. The issue seems to be that minorities are disproportionately poor and segregated, intensifying the effect in urban areas. White poor people are way more spread out, and more likely to live in rural areas, dispersing the crimes committed. Now some blame "white privilege" for the plight of minorities, but frankly, this sort of attitude only perpetuates racial mistrust and antagonism. It's sad we can't actually talk about these things without people being accused of being racists or race-baiters at the first hint of a trigger for such attacks.

 

[unIowa]

Narrative and branding is the reason.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

What is there to discuss? I can't speak for all liberals, but I know every race is racist and I know minorities kill other minorities. I doubt that will generate lively debate. On the other hand, there are plenty of people here ready to defend any and all charge leveled against the persecuted white man.

So why do certain posters on post about racial disparity when it stems from a white on minority case? Take posters such Jscott and Huey. Why don't they, since they are so worried about racial problems, ever post about racism when it comes from minorities?

 

[moral_victory]

So why do certain posters on post about racial disparity when it stems from a white on minority case? Take posters such Jscott and Huey. Why don't they, since they are so worried about racial problems, ever post about racism when it comes from minorities?

For your next handle you should be GoadHerder.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

You're going to have more crime in a poverty-ridden neighborhood no matter what race lives there. The issue seems to be that minorities are disproportionately poor and segregated, intensifying the effect in urban areas. White poor people are way more spread out, and more likely to live in rural areas, dispersing the crimes committed. Now some blame "white privilege" for the plight of minorities, but frankly, this sort of attitude only perpetuates racial mistrust and antagonism. It's sad we can't actually talk about these things without people being accused of racists or race-baiters at the first hint of a trigger for such attacks.

Well here's the thing though. Even when minorities find success, such as NFL players, they seem to be the players whom commit crimes and stir the racial pot. Why don't we ever hear about that from Liberals? We know the Cons are going to say something, and yes, racism may be the reason.

I just don't understand how you say you're so outraged about racial issues, when you completely ignore certain aspects of it. Liberals are always so quick to attack white people on their racist behavior, but where are they when minorities show the same type of behavior?

 

[HawktimusPrime]

For your next handle you should be GoadHerder.

Your post is exactly what I'm talking about. No answers, no explanations, just typical apathy from liberals.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Fredrick the Bless-ed, you seem to be outspoken. Perhaps you can shine light as to why you and your liberal friends are so afraid to speak on this.

 

[moral_victory]

Your post is exactly what I'm talking about. No answers, no explanations, just typical apathy from liberals.

Maybe people don't want to be goaded by you.

 

[fredjr82]

So why do certain posters on post about racial disparity when it stems from a white on minority case? Take posters such Jscott and Huey. Why don't they, since they are so worried about racial problems, ever post about racism when it comes from minorities?

For the same reason those on the GOP side only post the videos when a group of black teenagers beat up a white kid. It helps their narrative. Do you think anyone really takes jscott seriously on this board? Sure we love the entertainment he provides from ruffling the feathers of people like you, but nobody really takes him seriously. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if he was a right-leaning member trying to make the left-leaning people look bad.

Maybe try to not let things that are out of your control worry you so much. Not sure why I have to tell a grown man that, but sometimes we need a little reminding that we can only control so much of what others do.

Now be a big boy and grow brush your teeth before bed.

 

[naturalmwa]

So why do certain posters on post about racial disparity when it stems from a white on minority case? Take posters such Jscott and Huey. Why don't they, since they are so worried about racial problems, ever post about racism when it comes from minorities?

Why don't you take up this flag if this interests you?

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Maybe people don't want to be goaded by you.

Or maybe they don't want to have to address their hypocrisy....?

 

[MemorialRedWarrior]

Maybe people don't want to be goaded by you.

I don't think anyone is necessarily being goaded into answering this post. It think some may feel this way, but the worded goaded is more of a cop out. Yes it fits what you are meaning, but it's also avoiding the question. It's a very direct to the point question, but I do not believe using the word goaded is appropriate. I truly think that it is a very real happening among the Democratic voters.
The question is easy enough to answer, yet the only people who have said anything have not attempted an answer at all. Instead they are being derisive.
When you take a vehicle to the mechanic, you don't ask him to fix half of the problem. When the anti-war people speak out, they don't ignore one war and focus on another.
This goes beyond being a problem with just racially based issues. I see this as a problem with a lot of topics in this country.
Find the piece of a debate that you feel comfortable with and target that section, and that section only. A house isn't built by only building the frame and refusing to address the rest of its construction.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

For the same reason those on the GOP side only post the videos when a group of black teenagers beat up a white kid. It helps their narrative. Do you think anyone really takes jscott seriously on this board? Sure we love the entertainment he provides from ruffling the feathers of people like you, but nobody really takes him seriously. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if he was a right-leaning member trying to make the left-leaning people look bad.

Maybe try to not let things that are out of your control worry you so much. Not sure why I have to tell a grown man that, but sometimes we need a little reminding that we can only control so much of what others do.

Now be a big boy and grow brush your teeth before bed.

Translated:
"I don't have the courage nor the integrity to answer the question. I will simply point to that equally bad sibling of mine and use that as a reason to justify and excuse my behavior."

I think you just have no idea how to answer it.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Why don't you take up this flag if this interests you?

You and I both already know that I have.

 

[Mattski]

For the same reason those on the GOP side only post the videos when a group of black teenagers beat up a white kid. It helps their narrative.

At least you were honest about it as sad as it might be. Don't you feel guilty though for participating in using an entire race of people to advance an agenda?

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Th

This post right here shows an irresponsible need to stick with your side of the argument, despite actually addressing all the problems. Absolutely no surprise as to who liked this post.

If you're that easy to predict, its because you are systematic.

 

[dandh]

Well here's the thing though. Even when minorities find success, such as NFL players, they seem to be the players whom commit crimes and stir the racial pot. Why don't we ever hear about that from Liberals? We know the Cons are going to say something, and yes, racism may be the reason.

I just don't understand how you say you're so outraged about racial issues, when you completely ignore certain aspects of it. Liberals are always so quick to attack white people on their racist behavior, but where are they when minorities show the same type of behavior?

I'm far from a liberal/progressive, but I'm not sure WTH you're talking about here. There is a small subset of NFL players of color who "commit crimes and stir the racial pot", but it is far from the norm. Most NFLers are decent, upstanding people, regardless of race. I doubt that white NFL players have substantially different numbers, especially if one would control for the environment they lived in during their formative years.

To be honest, that statement sounds kind of racist to me on its face. Can you explain what you meant by it?

 

[fredjr82]

Translated:
"I don't have the courage nor the integrity to answer the question. I will simply point to that equally bad sibling of mine and use that as a reason to justify and excuse my behavior."

I think you just have no idea how to answer it.

OK. See I knew I was a dumbass for thinking you actually wanted a "serious debate". Do you not agree that certain individuals only show black on white racism? If your answer is no, then we can just stop here.

 

[naturalmwa]

You and I both already know that I have.

Then why bitch that libs are efficient?

 

[fredjr82]

At least you were honest about it as sad as it might be. Don't you feel guilty though for participating in using an entire race of people to advance an agenda?

WTF are you talking about?

I gave my opinion on why it's happening. Contrary to popular from belief of the OP my opinion is merely that, an opinion. I can't answer for every liberal on this board and I didn't think you actually expected me to. OP obviously has a couple of people in mind (jscott and Huey) so why not just ask them directly? He's a douchebag that wouldn't know a "serious debate" if it pretended to be a black guy on an anonymous internet forum.

 

[Vroom_C14]

Compare the single phrase responses in this thread to the essay's in the thread of the SC cop shuffle board technique...

 

[HawktimusPrime]

I'm far from a liberal/progressive, but I'm not sure WTH you're talking about here. There is a small subset of NFL players of color who "commit crimes and stir the racial pot", but it is far from the norm. Most NFLers are decent, upstanding people, regardless of race. I doubt that white NFL players have substantially different numbers, especially if one would control for the environment they lived in during their formative years.

To be honest, that statement sounds kind of racist to me on its face. Can you explain what you meant by it?

21% or the players have criminal records, 66% are black(or just over half). Of that 21% who have records, you have 90% whom are black. Leading category is domestic violence.

Of course you think that is racist. You have been taught to believe that. A fact is a fact. I'm not trying to demonize black NFL players, I'm pointing out the issues. Again, society has taught you that I'm being racist. I disagree.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

WTF are you talking about?

I gave my opinion on why it's happening. Contrary to popular from belief of the OP my opinion is merely that, an opinion. I can't answer for every liberal on this board and I didn't think you actually expected me to. OP obviously has a couple of people in mind (jscott and Huey) so why not just ask them directly? He's a douchebag that wouldn't know a "serious debate" if it pretended to be a black guy on an anonymous internet forum.

Yup, more like someone that you can't stand because he's more courageous than you. I'm asking for a serious debate, and the ones taking the seriousness out of it are you and others whom do not possess the courage to answer the question.

What you don't realize Frederick the Bless-ed, is that your very first post was meant to take the seriousness out of the question asked. Hypocritical to a T aren't you?

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Then why bitch that libs are efficient?

Efficient at what? Efficiently inefficient?

 

[naturalmwa]

Efficient at what? Efficiently inefficient?

Efficiently delegating this issue to you. We had a meeting, we voted to focus our attention elsewhere as you had this in hand. Thanks buddy.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Compare the single phrase responses in this thread to the essay's in the thread of the SC cop shuffle board technique...

Excellent example. Thank you.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Efficiently delegating this issue to you. We had a meeting, we voted to focus our attention elsewhere as you had this in hand. Thanks buddy.

That's not very liberal of you. Progressive reform isn't what you are practicing here.

 

[moral_victory]

I don't think anyone is necessarily being goaded into answering this post. It think some may feel this way, but the worded goaded is more of a cop out. Yes it fits what you are meaning, but it's also avoiding the question. It's a very direct to the point question, but I do not believe using the word goaded is appropriate. I truly think that it is a very real happening among the Democratic voters.
The question is easy enough to answer, yet the only people who have said anything have not attempted an answer at all. Instead they are being derisive.
When you take a vehicle to the mechanic, you don't ask him to fix half of the problem. When the anti-war people speak out, they don't ignore one war and focus on another.
This goes beyond being a problem with just racially based issues. I see this as a problem with a lot of topics in this country.
Find the piece of a debate that you feel comfortable with and target that section, and that section only. A house isn't built by only building the frame and refusing to address the rest of its construction.

What are the ways you attack in all directions then? Poverty is an issue in these areas, and it applies to probably all poor communities especially urban poor communities. There is the war on drugs, the revolving door that is the criminal justice system to help the situation. I will even submit that some people abuse social programs, but I do feel that the system can't be lambasted, and prevent greater good type help. Hell I will even listen to ideas on how to help clean those systems up. No drug testing though because they should all be legalized.

The bold part is interesting, and that is most certainly is based in reality. I would have preferred you used "people" instead of "you" in the statement though. If people are comfortable in an area they are probably also more versed in that area. You prefer they attack on the front the are shaky or uneducated on maybe making broad assumptions or false statements?

"I want to know why when shown the statistics and crimes among the minority populations and their communities, you are nowhere to be found." This is an implied statement.

"What is it that makes you so afraid to tackle the racial issues from all sides?" This is a really broad question.

21% or the players have criminal records, 66% are black(or just over half). Of that 21% who have records, you have 90% whom are black. Leading category is domestic violence.

Of course you think that is racist. You have been taught to believe that. A fact is a fact. I'm not trying to demonize black NFL players, I'm pointing out the issues. Again, society has taught you that I'm being racist. I disagree.

Did you catch the number of them that are violent crimes compared to misdemeanors i.e. petty drug crimes? On a quick search the most common crime by an NFL player is a DUI, and by a large margin. Followed by assault, domestic disturbances, and drugs.

I'm asking for a serious debate,

Yet you provide none.

Well here's the thing though. Even when minorities find success, such as NFL players, they seem to be the players whom commit crimes and stir the racial pot

How do you go about changing a culture?

 

[naturalmwa]

That's not very liberal of you. Progressive reform isn't what you are practicing here.

I'm more pragmatic than progressive. I'm a jeremy bentham liberal.

 

[Huey Grey]

This was pretty much my response too seeing that hawkprime wanted a serious discussion.

 

[fredjr82]

This was pretty much my response too seeing that hawkprime wanted a serious discussion.

Mine too. He's made his bed and now gets all pissy when he has to lay in it. He's never had a "serious debate" about anything yet calls others out for it. Hell I was even dumb enough to engage with him and give MY OPINION on the matter and he didn't want to accept it. Sure enough, he agreed with vroom's post. He only wants a "serious debate" when the opinion of the poster he agrees with is in line with his own.

 

[moral_victory]

I should have stuck with my usual HawktimusPrime response.

 

[Huey Grey]

Mine too. He's made his bed and now gets all pissy when he has to lay in it. He's never had a "serious debate" about anything yet calls others out for it. Hell I was even dumb enough to engage with him and give MY OPINION on the matter and he didn't want to accept it. Sure enough, he agreed with vroom's post. He only wants a "serious debate" when the opinion of the poster he agrees with is in line with his own.

One big problem he has is consistency. He will argue one side of an issue in one thread and then do the other in another thread. I know natural has busted him multiple times for shifting his viewpoints whenever it suits him.

 

[MemorialRedWarrior]

What are the ways you attack in all directions then? Poverty is an issue in these areas, and it applies to probably all poor communities especially urban poor communities. There is the war on drugs, the revolving door that is the criminal justice system to help the situation. I will even submit that some people abuse social programs, but I do feel that the system can't be lambasted, and prevent greater good type help. Hell I will even listen to ideas on how to help clean those systems up. No drug testing though because they should all be legalized.

I am not here to answer for Hawk, but I will answer what you asked me. You simply stop sensationalizing one area of the our racial troubles. Race is what was brought up in this post and that is all we should focus on at this time. The question was why do liberals ignore racism when it's happening outside the white culture.
The answer to everything you asked is being honest. Be honest about the situations is the only way that a true measure of fixing can happen. The problems in the ghettos as you call them, is that they not only lack certain tools, they refuse to pick them up when offered. Your use of the word attack isn't what I would actually want. I would prefer to work on the problem. That to me seems to fit what should be going on.
My ideas on how to actually fix this up, is to take actual statistic and data and use that to highlight the problem areas. Then I would seek help within the communities and talk to their leaders. I would try to have people speak out against what we are now talking about. Biased nonsense that provides nothing but more fuel to the fire. Start some campaigns to address ALL racism and make sure to include everyone as an equal, and to stress the word ALL. I would have open and honest talks between leaders with the emphasis on getting over the moral indecency we are seeing on all sides. No more pointing that finger at a particular group, but pointing the finger at the problem within all groups.
When we do that, we will then see a unity that isn't looking to separate from itself. We are looking at everyone as part of the whole. Each part allowed to be what it is, with respect to what the other parts are. Our system is used to divide those parts, so that other parts can gain from their separation. Change that, and you have your first steps towards truly eliminating this ridiculous cycle of hate.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

This was pretty much my response too seeing that hawkprime wanted a serious discussion.

That doesn't even somewhat surprise me Mr. Huey. You are a speaker on one language and one language only.

How can we take you seriously Huey when you sit back and only cry wolf when the white wolf is biting at people? I mean come on Huey, you do realize you liberals deserve the criticism you get correct? Eh?

If you constantly show your allegiance one way, and people call you out on it, that is YOUR fault. Maybe you could answer the question instead of ducking and diving around it.......just a thought. Give it a try sometime Huey.

 

[fredjr82]

One big problem he has is consistency. He will argue one side of an issue in one thread and then do the other in another thread. I know natural has busted him multiple times for shifting his viewpoints whenever it suits him.

He's a f'ing idiot who's biggest contribution to this board was pretending to be a black guy. If he wasn't such a loudmouth jackass, nobody would know who he was. Next he'll be along letting us all know he won this debate because in the head of a sociopath, you're never wrong!!! I'm the idiot that keeps replying to him though so I'm just as much to blame as he is.