Why don't you give clarity a try? This post is a jumbled mess.
As for you question, did you ever think that I don't answer it because I reject the premise in the first place?
Liberals,...why do you only ever play one side of the racial issues?
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As for you question, did you ever think that I don't answer it because I reject the premise in the first place?
You should post a lot more like this. I approve.I should have stuck with my usual HawktimusPrime response.
What the hell did I just read?
1. Take stats
2. Talk to leaders to tell people to be decent
3. ???
4. Unity, end of hate
Why not just let the free market mend the wounds.
It's a jumbled mess because your mind is programmed to only respond to left vs right Huey.
Then explain why you reject the premise then.
HP preferred this version too. He claims it is because he is from Iowa, but really it is because this Aquaman is attractive.
I suspect it's a jumbled mess because you're unable explain what exactly you're pissed at in this thread. You've got to admit, you're throwing around a lot of general and loaded terms here.
Damn moral, that was a far more reasonable answer than you'll ever get from me and you didn't get it? What other laws or government actions need to be taken then? WTH is wrong with you liberals?
I'd laugh if it wasn't so ridiculous, but what the hay, I'll laugh anyways. HAHHAHAHAHHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH
I'm a bit concerned you didn't get it. Are you not able to put trust into people learning to solve their own issue with one another? Please explain, as I'm actually quite taken back by your response. It is clear we have a communication discrepancy here and I'd like to see if we can correct it.
I don't understand what you are asking here that I didn't give my opinion on in the first post. If everybody agrees that black on black crime is bad and is an issue, what fun is it talking about it on a message board filled with white people from Iowa? If you think we post here to make a difference in the world you are wrong. If you are hoping to actually fix a problem I suggest you find an avenue other than HROT.
No, ol' Prime is asking you to tell me why white racism is the only racism liberals focus on. Why do they start threads about white wolfs biting black ones, and not the other way around.
I've never seen Huey or others do this. EVER. Why? That's all I want to know.
Perhaps I am off by a bit here. I think I went in the direction of cultural crime, and was somewhat nudged there by some earlier posts. Is this a genuine "How do we end racism thread?" If so I will just leave now.
Ok, I am seeing an odd mesh up with us here. I alluded to less stringent laws in an earlier post. Mainly drug laws which snowball into criminal reform, and what not. What I find interesting about our miscommunication is that big government causes some of these problems. I am curious to why the libertarians types here aren't happy about this? I know HP pretends to be one, and I am kind of picking up that you may have some tendencies to go that way. That is that I am saying that the federal government is making it harder to get these areas fixed up by their own laws already in place. I understand your argument for their community leaders to fix their own communities, but how does that pan out with the current system in place? I think when the war on drugs, mandatory minimums, and the revolving prison door issue is resolved that community leaders would play a big role in helping their communities. However, so long as greed is around the drug trade will only help keep the culture violent in these areas.
Well, I gave my opinion, but you keep asking the same question like I didn't answer it.
Eh? Didn't you say that you basically had no answer? You said you couldn't speak for the liberals. Your opinion didn't fit the question really Biscy.
Gotcha. You want a serious discussion where you expect a poster to speak for other posters. Good luck.
Link to source on those statistics?
Also, how does that compare with the general population? Is it more or less? If less, doesn't it mean the opposite of what you suggested?
Your premise was that non-white NFL players engaged in criminal behavior after becoming successful - how does them having a "record" relate to that - were all those records all acquired after becoming an NFL player? And are all those records serious crimes, or are there others for minor issues? And do those records consist of convictions, or are those just arrests?
Also, what about players from other groups that are neither white nor black? You seemed to suggest it was all people of color, not just African-Americans.
I'd really like to know your source on this - is it actual "facts", or is an opinion piece you read somewhere?
You came in here with no answer, and then said you can't speak for other liberals. How is that serious?
I answered your question twice. Maybe you aren't good at asking questions.
I found a story about a book that did records searches on people who were in the league almost 20 years ago (1996-7). It has the numbers you appear to be quoting. I'm not sure why you think that relates to people today, or why you'd call that "facts", when it's really not.
The authors of the book appear to have included everyone who had a history of arrest (not conviction), so it appears that there is a huge stretch there. Arrests do not make criminals, convictions do.
The story also notes:
Doug Allen, assistant executive director of the NFL Players Association, said the authors had done "shoddy research designed to reach a predetermined conclusion."
"It's absolute nonsense to say one in five NFL players i a criminal," he said. "They've lumped together DUI and disorderly conduct charges that were dismissed with murder charges."
"They should take notice of the fact that we have the most comprehensive anti-violence, anti-gun policy in sports. We're doing everything an employer and union can do to be responsible. This is not a book that has discussed it fairly."
So, again I'm forced to ask why you made a statement claiming that people of color become criminals at a high rate once they become successful? That statement is racist on its face, and I can not find any evidence to support your claim that it's based on facts. You really need to be more careful about what you write, because you don't come off very well when you do things like this.
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I said that black Americans tend to still have high crime rates despite no longer being poor. Rice, Lewis, Moss, jones, Harrison, etc.
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The real question is what can ALL races in America learn from the Asian-Americans. They're pretty much the smartest, least violent, best educated, highest paid, and most productive per capita in our society.
No, go back and read your post. I quoted it and bolded the statement that is racist on its face. You tried to claim it was just "facts", but have provided no facts to back it up. Now you're trying to claim you said something else, and your new claim is also racist on its face. Again, no facts. Just stop digging.
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I can't believe you said the word "trigger". Man, you are pushing the boundaries of this site. That sounds too much like…….well, you know. I'd apologize quickly if I were you.
Excellent post and far more reasonable than the usual crew of avoid the tough questions.
I'm something of a liberal and I don't "focus" on racism at all. I'm like you in that I don't like it when racial issues are exploited for political purposes. I would guess that the liberals who focus on racism look harder at white racism because they're talking about racism in the politics/government of a country where white people have been in charge for a few centuries. Doesn't mean they're right or wrong about any particular issue, but it's not hard to figure out. Your question sucks.
You started off so well, but then you veered of course because you had no destination. The answer is this, because none of you really know.
One simple question and none of the liberals can answer it.
This thread proved without a doubt that liberals are concerned about race when it benefits them. Blaming the other side for the same does not change that.
Case closed.
I also usually like to end a discussion I start with a signatory "case closed" as if my authority over my straw-man matters.
