Little brother not so little anymore?

[89and91]

And you are your typical dimwit self to even try to compare the two programs in terms of support.

Where North Dakota State and Kansas State the only games sold out at Jack Trice in 2014? Does that imply that ND State and/or K-State fans are somehow superior to isu fans? Why can't isu sell out more games (every game would be too much of a stretch to even try to mock on a message board) in Ames? All we have heard is how the enrollment is soaring and that isu is located near a population center (Des Moines) that it controls - what is holding isu back for the last 40 years of Jack Trice existence?

There were once again over 100,000 people that attended (or paid to attend) a game at Kinnick last season than at Trice. How do you explain that? Iowa was ranked by the NCAA as a top twenty school for football attendance in 2014. Where was mighty isu?

List the top ten games, by attendance ever in Jack Trice history. How many of those games involve a big 8/big xii opponent? Did the game against then top rated Okie State in 2011 sell out (were there drastically reduced price tickets sold for that very game to attempt to induce the sell out?)

Once again, you post first without thinking... what a surprise!

Clone fans will buy anything Pollard or isu trumpets. They just can't help it. That is the best part about clone fans they repeat without thinking and they wonder in amazement as to why isu is laughed at.

Here is another great question that clone fans will dodge. Who will have a melt down first CPR or cry baby Pollard?

I can't wait to see "it's not fair" version 2.0

 

[ichawk24]

The largest crowd in ISU/JTS history was 56,800. The last time Iowa averaged below that number was 1978 when it averaged 53k. (Of course, in 1978, JTS capacity was 48,000.)

But, please, continue to brag about ISU attendance numbers.

 

[Isitfootballseason?]

And you are your typical dimwit self to even try to compare the two programs in terms of support.

Were North Dakota State and Kansas State the only games sold out at Jack Trice in 2014? Does that imply that ND State and/or K-State fans are somehow superior to isu fans? Why can't isu sell out more games (every game would be too much of a stretch to even try to mock on a message board) in Ames? All we have heard is how the enrollment is soaring and that isu is located near a population center (Des Moines) that it controls - what is holding isu back for the last 40 years of Jack Trice existence?

There were once again over 100,000 more people that attended (or paid to attend) a game at Kinnick last season than at Trice. How do you explain that? Iowa was ranked by the NCAA as a top twenty school for football attendance in 2014. Where was mighty isu?

List the top ten games, by attendance ever in Jack Trice history. How many of those games involve a big 8/big xii opponent? Did the game against then top rated Okie State in 2011 sell out (were there drastically reduced price tickets sold for that very game to attempt to induce the sell out?)

Once again, you post first without thinking... what a surprise!

Untwist your panties yippee. (Since I've said that before I'm sure you'll give us 6 paragraphs making fun of a phrase I've used more than once...I digress) I wasn't disputing ISU's support or comparing the two. Only a fool wouldn't admit Iowa has always had more fans higher football attendance. I'm just simply asking JWR if Iowa is so great why don't they sell every game out? Simple question is it not?

 

[Isitfootballseason?]

Who is JWR?

Why would anyone be mad that isu dupes its fans and they eat it up? Why would anyone be mad that isu can't seem to sell its puny little club section as season tickets? Why would anyone be mad that isu loves to trumpet having more enrollment but will ignore that isu spends less on educating their students than Iowa does?

No one is mad about isu's little bro tactics Is It, I and others are laughing at them and how clone fans can't quite grasp it when they are being duped.

Okay i'll play your game. State the exact questions you want answered, then you answer mine. No dodging from either of us. Fair?

 

[5Fan5]

Untwist your panties yippee. (Since I've said that before I'm sure you'll give us 6 paragraphs making fun of a phrase I've used more than once...I digress) I wasn't disputing ISU's support or comparing the two. Only a fool wouldn't admit Iowa has always had more fans higher football attendance. I'm just simply asking JWR if Iowa is so great why don't they sell every game out? Simple question is it not?

Sure thing... about the same as asking why isu does not sell out each and every men's basketball game at Hilton.

"Panties", "butthurt" ... you never change. And because of that, you will always be recognized for what you are - a very poor excuse for a troll from isu.

 

[Isitfootballseason?]

Sure thing... about the same as asking why isu does not sell out each and every men's basketball game at Hilton.

"Panties", "butthurt" ... you never change. And because of that, you will always be recognized for what you are - a very poor excuse for a troll from isu.

Awwww yippee's feelings are hurt.

And called it


Again, JWR (and if you don't agree that 89/91 is JWR, head meet sand) won't answer my question...not sure what that had to do with you in the first place...oh wait you're yippee duh.

I don't know why ISU men's basketball didn't sell out all of their games. I assume you are claiming its like comparing apples to apples between a football game and basketball game? You guys tout Iowa's amazing support and history and rip on ISU's lack of support and crappy history...so one would reason it makes sense if ISU doesn't sell out games, but why doesn't Iowa?

 

[89and91]

Okay i'll play your game. State the exact questions you want answered, then you answer mine. No dodging from either of us. Fair?

The exact questions are:

Why is isu so awesome that they have more enrollment than Iowa but spend less than on their students education?

Why shouldn't investors care that isu not only doesn't have a waiting list for their club section but had to sell single game tickets in order to fill it?

 

[89and91]

Iowa has established club seating and good for them if they can sell them out as season tickets. ISU's club seating

Iowa has established club seating and good for them if they can sell them out as season tickets. ISU's club seating is new and they're going to have to market it and find ways to fill it up as we've all agreed the product on the field has sucked so fans are less likely to shell the money out.

Now answer my question - why doesn't Iowa sellout every game for all seats if they're so awesome?

No school in the country can claim they sellout all seats for all games for football as long as schools allocate tickets to visiting schools. Iowa is no better than anyone else in that regard.

 

[89and91]

To answer Is It's question I don't think any school can prove unequivocally that they sold every seat for every game and Iowa is no different.

Iowa fans are much better than isu as measured by financial support both inside and out of athletics.

Next up from Is It will be the claim that I didn't answer the question. Because to most clone fans if you don't answer it the way they wanted you to answer it doesn't count.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Don't want to beat a dead horse but after reading this article and seeing thread near the top might as well post it with the attendance back and forth talk. Specifically #10 for decline.

Plus click on 2014 does nice job breaking down all of college fball and conf and see what every team avg and had for attendance.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...one&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=teamstream

 

[89and91]

Don't want to beat a dead horse but after reading this article and seeing thread near the top might as well post it with the attendance back and forth talk. Specifically #10 for decline.

Plus click on 2014 does nice job breaking down all of college fball and conf and see what every team avg and had for attendance.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...one&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=teamstream

Of course this article must be ignored. Is It and all clone fans will only believe what Pollard tells them to believe or what he touts in his press-releases/tweets.

Nothing else counts.

 

[I4cy]

http://www.regents.iowa.gov/Meetings/DocketMemos/13Memos/October2013/1013_ITEM02g.pdf

 

[89and91]

http://www.regents.iowa.gov/Meetings/DocketMemos/13Memos/October2013/1013_ITEM02g.pdf

Yep as I have been saying isu has more enrollment but spends less than Iowa on educating its students.

Keep up the great work I4.

 

[Lone Clone]

Awwww yippee's feelings are hurt.

And called it


Again, JWR (and if you don't agree that 89/91 is JWR, head meet sand) won't answer my question...not sure what that had to do with you in the first place...oh wait you're yippee duh.

I don't know why ISU men's basketball didn't sell out all of their games. I assume you are claiming its like comparing apples to apples between a football game and basketball game? You guys tout Iowa's amazing support and history and rip on ISU's lack of support and crappy history...so one would reason it makes sense if ISU doesn't sell out games, but why doesn't Iowa?

I think he's asking why SUI is less efficient in its use of funds than ISU. That's a fair question. In fact, the Regents have commissioned a study to see why SUI isn't getting as much for its money as it should.

 

[89and91]

I think he's asking why SUI is less efficient in its use of funds than ISU. That's a fair question. In fact, the Regents have commissioned a study to see why SUI isn't getting as much for its money as it should.

Simple actually LC and a report isn't needed. When you have better programs and better professors it costs more. Thus why Iowa is ranked higher than isu in The U.S. news and World Report. Thus why Iowa garners more research grants and external funding.

But of course such a crack "journalist" such as yourself you will have the real reason won't you? Feel free to give us links that proves otherwise.

Tick, tock LC, we are all eagerly awaiting your cunning reply!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[I4cy]

over paid for sure


http://thegazette.com/data/statesalary

 

[89and91]

I think he's asking why SUI is less efficient in its use of funds than ISU. That's a fair question. In fact, the Regents have commissioned a study to see why SUI isn't getting as much for its money as it should.

I see Big Bro had to take on the medical expense for isu athletes. No shock there, Iowa has always been looking for for little bro.

I love it so when I4 posts as he is always good for some laughs. We want more. We want more. We want more.

 

[89and91]

over paid for sure


http://thegazette.com/data/statesalary

It is ok if you underperform at isu as long as it doesn't cost much compared to the market. More I4 we want more. We want more. We want more.

 

[89and91]

over paid for sure


http://thegazette.com/data/statesalary

Yep how much did isu pay to lose to UAB? Keep up the great work I4. We want more. We want more. We want more.

 

[89and91]

I think he's asking why SUI is less efficient in its use of funds than ISU. That's a fair question. In fact, the Regents have commissioned a study to see why SUI isn't getting as much for its money as it should.

Hey LC will the BOR also be looking into the efficiency of isu's spending on its football program? How about the BOR investigating the efficiency of the internal controls that are in place at isu to prevent research fraud? No let's not stop there why don't we also make sure the BOR looks into why isu is ranked #6 in the country for athlete arrests the last 5 years?

I mean these are all fair questions right LC? Any former upstanding "journalist" such as yourself should be demanding that the BOR do their job. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it.

 

[I4cy]

So how many of that highly paid staff actually taught? Please feel free to break it down, prof by prof.
Waiting!!!!

 

[CO_hawk]

Iowa didn't sell out games last year, because fans are not happy with 7 and 8 win seasons... Same will happen this year.

The question should be, why are ISU fans selling out their stadium? It appears to the rest of the country that they are content winning 2 - 3 games per year. The AD at ISU will have no desire to make a change if the fans keep shelling out money to watch piss poor seasons every year.

Iowa fans unhappy.
ISU fans content being at the bottom of the Big12.
Go figure.

 

[89and91]

So how many of that highly paid staff actually taught? Please feel free to break it down, prof by prof.
Waiting!!!!

Still waiting for any clone fan to tell us how it is that isu is so awesome when they have more enrollment than Iowa but spend substantially less on educating their students.

Each time they ignore this I win.

Maybe this is why isu has so much research fraud. Going cheap and easy is engrained in the culture at isu so much that they refuse to see where it can bite them in the backside.

Feel free to tell us how it really is I4. Or better yet give us some more links to laugh at. We want more. We want more. We want more.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Iowa didn't sell out games last year, because fans are not happy with 7 and 8 win seasons... Same will happen this year.

The question should be, why are ISU fans selling out their stadium? It appears to the rest of the country that they are content winning 2 - 3 games per year. The AD at ISU will have no desire to make a change if the fans keep shelling out money to watch piss poor seasons every year.

Iowa fans unhappy.
ISU fans content being at the bottom of the Big12.
Go figure.

Deep burn is deep.

The Iowa win is the main saving grace for Rhoads and will be again this year, should ISU win. They'll never do much again as long as Rhoads is there, at least in the Big 12. But as long as ISU has a coach that can beat Iowa, that coach will have a job. When that starts to become a problem....he goes bye-bye.

P.S. I wonder if any Iowa State fans still have their Gene Chizik collector's coins..........

 

[CeMar_Clone]

Hey CeMar do you and your crack isu Business school understand the difference between Revenue and Expense? I know how massive this basic concept must be for you but I will do my best to help you out.

If you look at the Board of Regents Budgets you will see that Iowa will SPEND more on education than isu will despite having lower enrollment. Now yes you can't spend what you don't bring in but then again the difference between Iowa and little bro isu when it comes to the state appropriation doesn't account for the $100m difference.

But feel free to tell the world how I and the BOR have this all wrong. That is always good for a laugh.

According to the BOR any kid from Iowa that goes to UNI will be funded by the state for 8K. Same kid going to ISU will get 8K of funding. But the same kid going to Iowa will get 14K. So whe

Simple actually LC and a report isn't needed. When you have better programs and better professors it costs more. Thus why Iowa is ranked higher than isu in The U.S. news and World Report. Thus why Iowa garners more research grants and external funding.

But of course such a crack "journalist" such as yourself you will have the real reason won't you? Feel free to give us links that proves otherwise.

Tick, tock LC, we are all eagerly awaiting your cunning reply!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Everything

Hey CeMar do you and your crack isu Business school understand the difference between Revenue and Expense? I know how massive this basic concept must be for you but I will do my best to help you out.

If you look at the Board of Regents Budgets you will see that Iowa will SPEND more on education than isu will despite having lower enrollment. Now yes you can't spend what you don't bring in but then again the difference between Iowa and little bro isu when it comes to the state appropriation doesn't account for the $100m difference.

But feel free to tell the world how I and the BOR have this all wrong. That is always good for a laugh.

Well it helps to have 60M of funding that should have been sent to UNI and ISU. Truth is, UNI is the school that gets the worst end of it.

The BOR subsidizes each school as the in state tuition is no where near enough to fund a kid for school. The BOR funds residents at Iowa for 14k, while ISU and UNI are in the low 8k range. We are penalizing ISU for success while Iowa is rewarded for failure.

Why is it that Iowa is not popular with Iowa kids? Could it be because ISU grads make more money?

 

[cidhawkeye]

According to the BOR any kid from Iowa that goes to UNI will be funded by the state for 8K. Same kid going to ISU will get 8K of funding. But the same kid going to Iowa will get 14K. So whe


Everything

Well it helps to have 60M of funding that should have been sent to UNI and ISU. Truth is, UNI is the school that gets the worst end of it.

The BOR subsidizes each school as the in state tuition is no where near enough to fund a kid for school. The BOR funds residents at Iowa for 14k, while ISU and UNI are in the low 8k range. We are penalizing ISU for success while Iowa is rewarded for failure.

Why is it that Iowa is not popular with Iowa kids? Could it be because ISU grads make more money?

Does it cost more to buy a better car? A better house?

 

[PCBHAWK]

Awwww yippee's feelings are hurt.

And called it


Again, JWR (and if you don't agree that 89/91 is JWR, head meet sand) won't answer my question...not sure what that had to do with you in the first place...oh wait you're yippee duh.

I don't know why ISU men's basketball didn't sell out all of their games. I assume you are claiming its like comparing apples to apples between a football game and basketball game? You guys tout Iowa's amazing support and history and rip on ISU's lack of support and crappy history...so one would reason it makes sense if ISU doesn't sell out games, but why doesn't Iowa?

I remember when ISU was on national TV playing to go to the Big 12 championship game (cant remember the opponent) and there were many empty seats at JT. Iowa would have been sold out with standing room only!

When people outside of Ames/Iowa think of college football in Iowa they only reference the Hawks!

 

[89and91]

According to the BOR any kid from Iowa that goes to UNI will be funded by the state for 8K. Same kid going to ISU will get 8K of funding. But the same kid going to Iowa will get 14K. So whe


Everything

Well it helps to have 60M of funding that should have been sent to UNI and ISU. Truth is, UNI is the school that gets the worst end of it.

The BOR subsidizes each school as the in state tuition is no where near enough to fund a kid for school. The BOR funds residents at Iowa for 14k, while ISU and UNI are in the low 8k range. We are penalizing ISU for success while Iowa is rewarded for failure.

Why is it that Iowa is not popular with Iowa kids? Could it be because ISU grads make more money?

Per student funding from the BOR has nothing at all to do with what each school spends on educating its students. In addition what the BOR allocates to each school also doesn't account for the massive difference in spending between Iowa and little bro.

Why can't clone fans understand this simple concept? The fact remains that while isu has more enrollment they spend less educating their students than Iowa does. Yet in the the spirit of being a clone fan not only do they celebrate this but they can't figure out why they are laughed at for puffing out their chest and beeming with pride.

isu still continues to lag well behind Iowa in quality according to U.S. News and World Report so I wouldn't call that penalizing little or bro for success and rewarding Iowa for failure.

But by all means CeMar do tell us how it really is. We won't laugh really.

 

[89and91]

Does it cost more to buy a better car? A better house?

Apparently this concept flies right over the heads of clone fans. They would rather go on the cheap brag to their friends on what a great deal they got only to find out later that they got screwed.

We can continue to dumb this down for clone fans and I am betting they still won't get it and will continue to make themselves look even worse. Which of course is the entertainment value I so love to see from isu fans.

 

[Lone Clone]

What's the record length of a thread on HR that doesn't involve sex or bowel movements? This must be getting close.

 

[89and91]

What's the record length of a thread on HR that doesn't involve sex or bowel movements? This must be getting close.

Clone fans such as LC and their little bro syndrome won't let it die. I tied my best to let you all off the hook and each time they refused.

That is the best part they insist on further embarrassing themselves by "spinning" onto something new.

We want more. We want more. We want more and we will get it because clone fans just can't help it.

 

[Kinnick4Ever]

There is no mystery as to why Iowa receives more money. As I said before, it costs more--a lot more--to educate the students in the highly specialized programs they offer, primarily in the health sciences. Let a former Regent explain it better for the slow-witted ISU shills among you:

http://www.press-citizen.com/story/...funding-universities-charis-carlson/27202427/

 

[Isitfootballseason?]

Iowa didn't sell out games last year, because fans are not happy with 7 and 8 win seasons... Same will happen this year.

The question should be, why are ISU fans selling out their stadium? It appears to the rest of the country that they are content winning 2 - 3 games per year. The AD at ISU will have no desire to make a change if the fans keep shelling out money to watch piss poor seasons every year.

Iowa fans unhappy.
ISU fans content being at the bottom of the Big12.
Go figure.

Very honest take and much appreciated. As for me personally, I'm an ISU fan and I've said all along if things don't turn around (and by turn around I'm realistic in saying flirting with a bowl game and being competitive), then I want Pollard to clean house. The SEZ is nice this year and will save attendance figures with it's newness, but that will wear off quickly.

Why do I still go to games? Because life is short and I'm not going to stop doing something I enjoy just because I want a new coach. A lot of us grind it out at our jobs and busy schedules with our kids so its nice to have a Saturday with friends and family and cheer on a school we went to.

 

[Kinnick4Ever]

BTW, I find it disheartening, but not surprising, that sports fans from any of the three state universities should wish ill-will on the academic capacity of any of the others. Each of the three universities has a unique mission with unique costs. Striking a funding balance that is fair to all three is no doubt difficult given the declining level of support from our state lawmakers. However, that any one of the three should be singled out for punishment (to the benefit of the other two) is reprehensible--even more so when the University of Iowa bring the most (by far) research dollars into the state. Yet that is the exact effect of the dead-in-the-water (for now, at least) proposal to create an entirely new funding formula that would punish the University of Iowa for being, well, the University of Iowa with more costly programs in the medical/health sciences. While some may feel there is a need to rethink how our precious state funds are distributed (UNI has the strongest case), no Iowan should see this punitive approach as good for our otherwise excellent system of higher education. In the long run it could be damaging to all three.

 

[Lone Clone]

BTW, I find it disheartening, but not surprising, that sports fans from any of the three state universities should wish ill-will on the academic capacity of any of the others. Each of the three universities has a unique mission with unique costs. Striking a funding balance that is fair to all three is no doubt difficult given the declining level of support from our state lawmakers. However, that any one of the three should be singled out for punishment (to the benefit of the other two) is reprehensible--even more so when the University of Iowa bring the most (by far) research dollars into the state. Yet that is the exact effect of the dead-in-the-water (for now, at least) proposal to create an entirely new funding formula that would punish the University of Iowa for being, well, the University of Iowa with more costly programs in the medical/health sciences. While some may feel there is a need to rethink how our precious state funds are distributed (UNI has the strongest case), no Iowan should see this punitive approach as good for our otherwise excellent system of higher education. In the long run it could be damaging to all three.

Fantasy.

 

[89and91]

Fantasy.

The fantasy is that isu will ever be Iowa's equal let alone the premier institution in the state. Then again our resident "journalist" knows this but just won't admit it. Same as all other clone fans. Their little brother syndrome just won't allow it.

 

[89and91]

BTW, I find it disheartening, but not surprising, that sports fans from any of the three state universities should wish ill-will on the academic capacity of any of the others. Each of the three universities has a unique mission with unique costs. Striking a funding balance that is fair to all three is no doubt difficult given the declining level of support from our state lawmakers. However, that any one of the three should be singled out for punishment (to the benefit of the other two) is reprehensible--even more so when the University of Iowa bring the most (by far) research dollars into the state. Yet that is the exact effect of the dead-in-the-water (for now, at least) proposal to create an entirely new funding formula that would punish the University of Iowa for being, well, the University of Iowa with more costly programs in the medical/health sciences. While some may feel there is a need to rethink how our precious state funds are distributed (UNI has the strongest case), no Iowan should see this punitive approach as good for our otherwise excellent system of higher education. In the long run it could be damaging to all three.

Yes by all means let's reward isu for all their research fraud. Everyone with half a brain knows the best way to deal with fraud is to give them MORE MONEY.

LC, I4, Is It, Bear Clone and others I am sure not only support this notion but are clearly pissed off that it hasn't occured yet.

The reality is that isu gets exactly what it deserves and that if they didn't act like red-headed step children maybe the world would treat them differently.

Naw watching them "spin" is just too much fun.

 

[CeMar_Clone]

BTW, I find it disheartening, but not surprising, that sports fans from any of the three state universities should wish ill-will on the academic capacity of any of the others. Each of the three universities has a unique mission with unique costs. Striking a funding balance that is fair to all three is no doubt difficult given the declining level of support from our state lawmakers. However, that any one of the three should be singled out for punishment (to the benefit of the other two) is reprehensible--even more so when the University of Iowa bring the most (by far) research dollars into the state. Yet that is the exact effect of the dead-in-the-water (for now, at least) proposal to create an entirely new funding formula that would punish the University of Iowa for being, well, the University of Iowa with more costly programs in the medical/health sciences. While some may feel there is a need to rethink how our precious state funds are distributed (UNI has the strongest case), no Iowan should see this punitive approach as good for our otherwise excellent system of higher education. In the long run it could be damaging to all three.

The BOR funding formula was the most fair system in decades. You just don't like the answer. Should't all Iowa kids be treated fairly? Apparently not in Hawkeyeland.

 

[89and91]

The BOR funding formula was the most fair system in decades. You just don't like the answer. Should't all Iowa kids be treated fairly? Apparently not in Hawkeyeland.

The BOR funding formula was the most fair system in decades. You just don't like the answer. Should't all Iowa kids be treated fairly? Apparently not in Hawkeyeland.

Yes let's be sure to give isu MORE MONEY. That is the best solution to make sure fraud doesn't occur in that mediocre institution of learning.

 

[89and91]

The BOR funding formula was the most fair system in decades. You just don't like the answer. Should't all Iowa kids be treated fairly? Apparently not in Hawkeyeland.

Hey CeMar,

There are still a few stereotypes about isu and its fans that we haven't yet validated in this thread. Will you, LC, I4 and Is It keep posting so we can have one mega thread where we can show the world what makes isu fans so "special"?

We want more. We want more. We want more.