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*****MAGA in disarray, who will be speaker of the House***** McCarthy REMOVED! Jim Jordan 0-3. Election denier Mike Johnson confirmed. Vote them out

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I didn’t know Bins was a cyclist 😉
 
My only concern is this on the democrats side - they also don't appear to be governing or doing what is best for the nation. With McCarthy ousted you have greatly increased the chance of a shutdown and less of a chance of sending additional resources to Ukraine. Not sure where their math is on this. Thinking show republicans in disarray harming the nation so they can win at the pulls in 24. Seems short sided especially when we will most likely be heading into a recession.
 
My only concern is this on the democrats side - they also don't appear to be governing or doing what is best for the nation. With McCarthy ousted you have greatly increased the chance of a shutdown and less of a chance of sending additional resources to Ukraine. Not sure where their math is on this. Thinking show republicans in disarray harming the nation so they can win at the pulls in 24. Seems short sided especially when we will most likely be heading into a recession.
This was going to happen either way in weeks with the 45 day looming so the bandaid was ripped off early.
 
My only concern is this on the democrats side - they also don't appear to be governing or doing what is best for the nation. With McCarthy ousted you have greatly increased the chance of a shutdown and less of a chance of sending additional resources to Ukraine. Not sure where their math is on this. Thinking show republicans in disarray harming the nation so they can win at the pulls in 24. Seems short sided especially when we will most likely be heading into a recession.
What do you think the Democrats should do to solve the Republican party's problems?
 
This was going to happen either way in weeks with the 45 day looming so the bandaid was ripped off early.
I don't think so. pretty apparant Mccarthy was going to begin to ignore the freedom caucus. Would have needed to work with democrats. Now the speakership will go even further right. Jim Jordan??? Sounds like a great option.
 
I don't think so. pretty apparant Mccarthy was going to begin to ignore the freedom caucus. Would have needed to work with democrats. Now the speakership will go even further right. Jim Jordan??? Sounds like a great option.
Yes it would have. McCarthy didn't have the votes to keep going on anything after this latest deal. The Dems did the right move either way.
 
I don't think so. pretty apparant Mccarthy was going to begin to ignore the freedom caucus. Would have needed to work with democrats. Now the speakership will go even further right. Jim Jordan??? Sounds like a great option.

McCarthy was always a dead speaker walking thanks to the deals he made to become speaker. He couldn’t ignore the freedom caucus as a result and Dems couldn’t deal with him because they couldn’t trust him due to that.
 
Gaetz wanted him elected with all of those concessions in the first place. Just so he could toss him at a later date. If it wasn't Ukraine he would have found something else.
Cutting off Ukraine seems to be Gaetz's main issue nowadays...
 
I mean this sincerely this is a huge opportunity to Biden to extend an olive branch to the Republican old guard to secure some changes.

It also means he'll need to compromise and give those folks some stuff they want.

And democratic voters need to understand that and be okay with it.
What in the hell does Biden have to do with all this?

If we were in the reverse scenario, it would be considered completely insane that Republicans were responsible to "rescue" a Democratic Speaker of the House. Completely insane.

The "liberal media" and much of the population now is so wired to the idea that everything is on the Democrats to resolve, apparently extending even to internal Republican party disputes. It's freaking crazy. But then again, Donald Trump became President and George Santos and Lauren Boebert are serving in Congress. Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, I live in the dumbest simulation.
 
McCarthy will run again and make concessions to the Democrats for their vote. Weakening the crazies even more. At least I hope.
Since he wouldn't make any concessions to the Democrats before being outed, I doubt he would a second time either.
 
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Gaetz wanted him elected with all of those concessions in the first place. Just so he could toss him at a later date. If it wasn't Ukraine he would have found something else.
Agreed. His speakership was always holding by a thread because of those concessions.

historically, might be the worst negotiator since chamberlain with hitler.
 
What in the hell does Biden have to do with all this?

If we were in the reverse scenario, it would be considered completely insane that Republicans were responsible to "rescue" a Democratic Speaker of the House. Completely insane.

The "liberal media" and much of the population now is so wired to the idea that everything is on the Democrats to resolve, apparently extending even to internal Republican party disputes. It's freaking crazy. But then again, Donald Trump became President and George Santos and Lauren Boebert are serving in Congress. Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, I live in the dumbest simulation.

You're misunderstanding me. McCarthy was an ineffective speaker. It was not on the Democrats or Biden to try and help him maintain his position.

I mean, in light of McCarthy now being done, it would behoove the President and those in his circle to help locate a reasonable Republican (they do exist) who can compromise with. If they end up with another obstructive doofus Biden will fail to accomplish anything in his remaining term.

For the record everything is on the Democrats to resolve. Because the Republicans won't do it.
 
My only concern is this on the democrats side - they also don't appear to be governing or doing what is best for the nation. With McCarthy ousted you have greatly increased the chance of a shutdown and less of a chance of sending additional resources to Ukraine. Not sure where their math is on this. Thinking show republicans in disarray harming the nation so they can win at the pulls in 24. Seems short sided especially when we will most likely be heading into a recession.
Democrats worked with Republicans in the Senate to get the government funded. Democrats supplied the majority of the votes to get it signed. Biden signed it. Democrats are doing the heavy lifting in the federal government. All Republicans are doing is showing their asses.
 
For the record everything is on the Democrats to resolve. Because the Republicans won't do it.
For the record, Democrats can’t do anything with Republican support. Republicans wouldn’t sign a discharge petition to keep the government open. That would have saved McCarthy probably. Republicans are absolutely terrified of a mean tweet from Donald. They are paralyzed because they know the rabid base will primary them after a single tweet from little Donnie.

It sure seems like Democrats aren’t the problem, they just can’t solve everything without Republican help. You just wait, bit a single moderate Republican will approach democrats for support. Won’t happen.
 
You're misunderstanding me. McCarthy was an ineffective speaker. It was not on the Democrats or Biden to try and help him maintain his position.

I mean, in light of McCarthy now being done, it would behoove the President and those in his circle to help locate a reasonable Republican (they do exist) who can compromise with. If they end up with another obstructive doofus Biden will fail to accomplish anything in his remaining term.

For the record everything is on the Democrats to resolve. Because the Republicans won't do it.
You first have to find that moderate republican who would also, be competent at the job, acceptable to most republicans, and actually wants the job. That person doesn’t exist.
 
Not the D's fault.

They weren't forced to vote with Matt Gaetz though.

It was a political decision and I understand that. I just think when all is said and done we'll end up with someone worse on Ukriane which is may main concern.
There is a difference between voting against McCarthy and voting with Gaetz.
 
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You're misunderstanding me. McCarthy was an ineffective speaker. It was not on the Democrats or Biden to try and help him maintain his position.

I mean, in light of McCarthy now being done, it would behoove the President and those in his circle to help locate a reasonable Republican (they do exist) who can compromise with. If they end up with another obstructive doofus Biden will fail to accomplish anything in his remaining term.

For the record everything is on the Democrats to resolve. Because the Republicans won't do it.
Hakeem Jeffries is ready to go! Just need some reasonable, and normal, Repubs to make it happen.
 
Hakeem Jeffries is ready to go! Just need some reasonable, and normal, Repubs to make it happen.
This is the only sane choice. Jeffries only lost one Dem vote to avert the shutdown. Whereas McCarthy lost 90 R votes. Jeffries can almost guarantee that virtually every last Dem will vote for the most important issues. He has his side in control. He's the only rational choice
 
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This is the only sane choice. Jeffries only lost one Dem vote to avert the shutdown. Whereas McCarthy lost 90 R votes. Jeffries can almost guarantee that virtually every last Dem will vote for the most important issues. He has his side in control. He's the only rational choice
Personally I'd be surprised if Hakeem gets it. I doubt any republican would wanna throw their vote for that. Nominate Trump no problem though.
 
This is the only sane choice. Jeffries only lost one Dem vote to avert the shutdown. Whereas McCarthy lost 90 R votes. Jeffries can almost guarantee that virtually every last Dem will vote for the most important issues. He has his side in control. He's the only rational choice
Rs are not going to select any minority Leader

They have plenty of sane choices they could make from their own side.
 
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