True. Also the blown game at Nebraska hurts us more than the Omaha loss. Almost all teams have a couple games like that over the course of a season though. The Omaha loss just seems the most inexcusable to me.
MARCH 12 Tournament Selection Show: Jerry Palm/CBS was CORRECT: IOWA was one of First 4 OUT
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not so fast.....RULE 12B: Iowa cannot receive an at large bid in the 2017 mens NCAA tournament
UPDATE:
After Illinois' March 4 loss at Rutgers, Joe Lunardi has Iowa as one of its Next 4 out.
After Illinois' March 4 loss at Rutgers, Joe Lunardi has Iowa as one of its Next 4 out.
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I think 5-6 of his last 4 in first 4 out will lose today! Some tough games! As it stands now..
Last four in
65. Xavier (DePaul)
66. USC (Washington)
67. Wake Forest (Virginia Tech)
68. Vanderbilt (Florida)
69. Rhode Island (Davidson)
70. Cal (Colorado)
71. Georgia Tech (Syracuse)
72. Iowa (Penn St)
Last four in
65. Xavier (DePaul)
66. USC (Washington)
67. Wake Forest (Virginia Tech)
68. Vanderbilt (Florida)
69. Rhode Island (Davidson)
70. Cal (Colorado)
71. Georgia Tech (Syracuse)
72. Iowa (Penn St)
this is stunning
never in my wildest dreams did i think (1) a 16-13 team (pior to the Wisky game) had a chance at the Big Dance; (2) Iowa would win at Wisconsin, a team dominated by senior, experienceded starters
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A game in December...big win, bad loss...should be placed in context if the objective is to be fair and select the most deserving teams. No matter what team it was, a bad loss like Omaha way back when should be a footnote to the way one of the youngest teams in the nation has improved and finished, especially if that finish includes two top 25 road wins in the last week of the season. The team that played in December doesn't even exist any more.
And again, I would stand by that no matter what team we were talking about.
And again, I would stand by that no matter what team we were talking about.
Bubble update (500p ET, Sat March 4). LAST BYES: Seton Hall, Syracuse, Providence, Marquette. LAST IN: Xavier, Vandy, Southern Cal, Wake Forest. FIRST OUT: Rhode Island, K-State, Illinois, Ga Tech. NEXT OUT: Iowa, Cal, Houston, Clemson.
Bubble update (500p ET, Sat March 4). LAST BYES: Seton Hall, Syracuse, Providence, Marquette. LAST IN: Xavier, Vandy, Southern Cal, Wake Forest. FIRST OUT: Rhode Island, K-State, Illinois, Ga Tech. NEXT OUT: Iowa, Cal, Houston, Clemson.
In your wildest dreams, when you saw this Iowa team struggling, did you ever expect to see this type of image?
Heck it was not that long ago when there was talk that we would not even make the NIT. Now we are talking Big Dance? Crazy!!!
Crazy year across the nation. Such a weak bubble, which is great for us!
March 5 UPDATE:
Here is Lunardi's latest bracket:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
7 Big 10 teams in:
5 Purdue
6 Minnesota
6 Wisconsin
7 Maryland
8 Northwestern
9 Michigan
10 Mich State
Last 4 In:
Vanderbilt
Xaveir
Wake Forest
USC
First Four Out:
Rhode Island
Kansas State
Illinois
Iowa
USA Today
► No. 1 seeds:
Kansas,
Villanova,
North Carolina and
Oregon
► Last four in:
Illinois,
Wake Forest,
Syracuse,
USC
► First four out:
Illinois State,
Iowa,
Georgia,
Rhode Island
Link: http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...sketball-march-madness-bubble-teams/98774592/
Jerry Palm:
Last four in:
Wake Forest,
Kansas State,
California,
Rhode Island
First four out:
Illinois,
Vanderbilt,
Syracuse,
Wichita State
Link: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology
Here is Lunardi's latest bracket:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
7 Big 10 teams in:
5 Purdue
6 Minnesota
6 Wisconsin
7 Maryland
8 Northwestern
9 Michigan
10 Mich State
Last 4 In:
Vanderbilt
Xaveir
Wake Forest
USC
First Four Out:
Rhode Island
Kansas State
Illinois
Iowa
USA Today
► No. 1 seeds:
Kansas,
Villanova,
North Carolina and
Oregon
► Last four in:
Illinois,
Wake Forest,
Syracuse,
USC
► First four out:
Illinois State,
Iowa,
Georgia,
Rhode Island
Link: http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...sketball-march-madness-bubble-teams/98774592/
Jerry Palm:
Last four in:
Wake Forest,
Kansas State,
California,
Rhode Island
First four out:
Illinois,
Vanderbilt,
Syracuse,
Wichita State
Link: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology
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not so fast.....RULE 12B: Iowa cannot receive an at large bid in the 2017 mens NCAA tournament
you better be wrong
Steven Bardo said IF Iowa makes it to Saturday of the BTT (they don't have to win on Saturday) Iowa is in the Big Dance
He's absolutely right I think. It all comes down to Fri assuming a win on Thu (which is a big assumption).
crazy to think we could possibly be 3 wins away from the NCAA tournament
* Win today vs PSU--DONE
* Win Thur vs a 10 seed in BTT--PROBABLE
* Win Friday vs a 2 seed in BTT--A BATTLE FOR OUR NCAA LIVES
A fan asked this:
Does a W today and 2 in B10 tournament give Iowa a chance? Realize dependent on other profiles as well.
Jerry Palm's answer:
They have a shot. Also depends on who they play in BTT
Does a W today and 2 in B10 tournament give Iowa a chance? Realize dependent on other profiles as well.
Jerry Palm's answer:
They have a shot. Also depends on who they play in BTT
I continue to stand on my prediction. One more win and we have a 50% shot of dancing. Two wins are we are in.
The BTT is gonna be CRAZY. Hopefully we win on Thursday vs Indiana (yikes!). Friday's game vs the #2 seed is gonna be nuts. At least we won't be playing Michigan State!!! Hopefully no Teddy V, either!!!!
According to Palm Iowa is NOT on the bubble. He has his "On the fence section" and "Probably out" updated and Iowa is not on either one of those.. But Cal is at 19-11 with just 1 top 50 win and 4 top 100 wins and ALSO 2 100-200 Losses..
My problem here is that he has Cal 3 spots (at least, Iowa isn't even listed) ahead with a FARRRRR LESSS underwhelming resume...
Haters gonna hate. Our RPI gets into 60s or low 70s with 1-1 in BTT, and we'll be close. 2-1 gets us to mid 60s and in (probably with a "bye")
Chad LeistikowVerified account@ChadLeistikow 7m7 minutes ago
Fran thinks Iowa should be in the NCAA tournament.
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yeah, ESPN/Lunardi is the Big Dog name, but not necessarily the better predictor
Every single "bracketoligist" has a good a year and a bad year. This is the first year where the committee released the top 16 seeds at that point. IN that release they stated that top 50 wins are the driving force.
No Big Ten team was in there because Wisky only had 1 top 50 win and Purdue I think maybe at 1 as well. So they stated in early February that top 50 wins are the benchmark.
Iowa has 4-5 which is good compared to some of the other bubble teams. The committee does not look at conference rankings or anything related to conference at all. They look at your resume as a whole body of work. Top 50 is the #1 criteria. if Iowa can get 1 more top 50 win they will be in for sure.
No Big Ten team was in there because Wisky only had 1 top 50 win and Purdue I think maybe at 1 as well. So they stated in early February that top 50 wins are the benchmark.
Iowa has 4-5 which is good compared to some of the other bubble teams. The committee does not look at conference rankings or anything related to conference at all. They look at your resume as a whole body of work. Top 50 is the #1 criteria. if Iowa can get 1 more top 50 win they will be in for sure.
This is my view also, win our first one of the BTT and we have a good shot as long as we don't get blown out on Friday.
FWIW bracket matrix ranks Lunardi 22nd and Palm 61st out of 88 known bracketologists.
Palm's seeding projections, not necessarily his bubble predictions, are what he's usually way off on
Palm's seeding projections, not necessarily his bubble predictions, are what he's usually way off on
I think they value good wins over bad losses, and recent good wins even moreso.
Given we are a young team who as gotten better each month and lost to Omaha early, but have a lot of good wins late, I think we may get some subjective value from that even if the RPI doesn't consider it. Any of the committee who watches tape of us this last month will see a very good team with good wins and even some good losses (OT vs. Minny; etc).
We may want to root for Michigan and Illinois losses more than anything, as there is also conference politics to consider and if we can leap frog them we'll be in for sure, even with only 1 more win IMO.
Given we are a young team who as gotten better each month and lost to Omaha early, but have a lot of good wins late, I think we may get some subjective value from that even if the RPI doesn't consider it. Any of the committee who watches tape of us this last month will see a very good team with good wins and even some good losses (OT vs. Minny; etc).
We may want to root for Michigan and Illinois losses more than anything, as there is also conference politics to consider and if we can leap frog them we'll be in for sure, even with only 1 more win IMO.
I agree I think the committee is going to look at Iowas Youth and excuse their early mishaps and will look very favorably upon how well they've played the second half of the season and in particular the last couple weeks.
If Iowa wins the first round BTT game and is really competitive in the second round game I think Iowa is in
If Iowa wins the first round BTT game and is really competitive in the second round game I think Iowa is in
If we just beat Nebraska-Omaha we'd have no treacherous home losses and just that semi-bad loss to Memphis on a neutral court. We'd be in with 1 win in the B10 tourney if only that had happened!!! See below scenario from rpiforecast.com. All i did was switch today to a win and (cause Iowa won) and nebraska-omaha to a win.
Iowa
W-L RPI* SOS
19-12 60 45
I agree. There are bubble teams with worst losses than that. Vandy lost to RPI #259 Missouri!! That was just 2 weeks ago! Not in November
The fact that Iowa's losses to UNO and Memphis were both over 3 months ago carries some consideration with the committee. I'd much rather have that as an anchor than a loss to Rutgers in March like Illinois just possibly hanged themselves with.
March 6 update:
Lunardi
Iowa still part of the "first 4 out."
Last Four Byes
Last Four In
First Four Out
Next Four Out
see more here: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
USA Today
► No. 1 seeds: Kansas, Villanova, North Carolina and Oregon
► Last four in: Illinois, Wake Forest, Syracuse, USC
► First four out: Iowa, Georgia, Illinois State, Rhode Island
See more here; http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ketball-march-madness-wichita-state/98797708/
Lunardi
Iowa still part of the "first 4 out."
Last Four Byes
Last Four In
First Four Out
Next Four Out
see more here: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
USA Today
► No. 1 seeds: Kansas, Villanova, North Carolina and Oregon
► Last four in: Illinois, Wake Forest, Syracuse, USC
► First four out: Iowa, Georgia, Illinois State, Rhode Island
See more here; http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ketball-march-madness-wichita-state/98797708/
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How a team is playing LATE in season is weighted more heavily.
IOWA is playing great Lately...........Beat Indiana and IOWA is Dancing
How a team is playing LATE in season is weighted more heavily.
IOWA is playing great Lately...........Beat Indiana and IOWA is Dancing
hope you are right. i keep hearing that for sure to get in, we have to win on Friday as well.
KState needs to lose to Baylor, Vandy needs to lose right away, Illini will get beat by Michigan. The red sea will continue to part if we can beat IU.
I heard Vandy is in regardless of what they do in the SEC Tourney.
What a crock that is!
Crazy that (1) we lost at home to the Illini; embarrassing and hurts our resume (2) they are still in the Big Dance discussion after losing to Rutgers
But I agree. Our NCAA Tournament essentially starts on Thursday. Gotta win and advance.
It'll be interesting! They specifically mentioned putting Iowa in Dayton for poor play down the stretch a few years ago.. wonder if the opposite will apply for finishing hot
Just can't lay an egg on Thur; and then, if we win, the game vs Wisky will be huge
