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Packer54 said:
Common opponents comparison is cherry picking? You are not smart and that is not slander.
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yes... it is cherry picking.... for 2 reasons...
1) the sample size is too small
2) it does not tell the full story

look, the fact is Iowa was 8-0 and Michigan was 6-2
plus....
Iowa created a massive amount of turnovers.... Michigan did not...
the difference is not even close.

Iowa created 19 turnovers in those 8 games... Michigan just 6...
Iowa created 13 more turnovers than Michigan.

its not even close.... Iowa had a much greater defense than Michigan a year ago...
and Iowa is going to have an even better defense this coming season.

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as far as me being not smart... ok... I'm not smart.. but I am showing you the numbers to support why I believe what I believe.... I am presenting my case for myself....
I'm even presenting the case for why you believe what you believe.

if you disagree, its ok with me... I don't hate you.
 
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fifteenandoh said:
yes... it is cherry picking.... for 2 reasons...
1) the sample size is too small
2) it does not tell the full story

look, the fact is Iowa was 8-0 and Michigan was 6-2
plus....
Iowa created a massive amount of turnovers.... Michigan did not...
the difference is not even close.

Iowa created 19 turnovers in those 8 games... Michigan just 6...
Iowa created 13 more turnovers than Michigan.

its not even close.... Iowa had a much greater defense than Michigan a year ago...
and Iowa is going to have an even better defense this coming season.

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as far as me being not smart... ok... I'm not smart.. but I am showing you the numbers to support why I believe what I believe.... I am presenting my case for myself....
I'm even presenting the case for why you believe what you believe.

if you disagree, its ok with me... I don't hate you.
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The only stat that matters is points. Michigan gave up 16.4 ppg and Iowa 20.4. They did this against a tougher schedule. Explain that stat genius.
 
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Both good defenses last year, if we had Ott back this year as I had hoped the Iowa argument would be pretty cut and dry. That's not the case so a guy could make argument that Iowa has better defense, however; when you say it's not even close that is where you lose us
 
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bone tomahawk said:
and iowa didnt play michigan, msu, osu, or penn state. you dont think that was fortunate? look at your last two games to see what would have happened if you had played a real schedule.
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Yeah, fortunately we missed the 7-6 (4-4) juggernaut Penn State. And you're right, if the slaughtering we took at the hands of MSU was any indication, we wouldn't have even held our own in the other games.
 
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East has the best at the top with scUM and tosu.

I don't really care that the bottom 2 or 3 teams in the west are slightly less bad than the bottom 2 or 3 in the east.
 
when you compare

Michigan State 7-1
Ohio State 7-1
Michigan 6-2

with..

Iowa 8-0
Northwestern 6-2
Wisconsin 6-2

the wins and losses are identical....
now... Michigan State won the Championship game... so I will give the East the edge over the West...

but these divisions are not lopsided... they are equal.... for awhile Wisconsin owned the Big Ten.... and people seem to forget Ohio State was on probation (again) for cheating... like they always do...

but this coming season... 2016....
Mark My Words....
the West will be stronger than the East.

~you all cling to the words of ESPN as if it was a religion... muito esquisito.
 
fifteenandoh said:
when you compare

Michigan State 7-1
Ohio State 7-1
Michigan 6-2

with..

Iowa 8-0
Northwestern 6-2
Wisconsin 6-2

the wins and losses are identical....
now... Michigan State won the Championship game... so I will give the East the edge over the West...

but these divisions are not lopsided... they are equal.... for awhile Wisconsin owned the Big Ten.... and people seem to forget Ohio State was on probation (again) for cheating... like they always do...

but this coming season... 2016....
Mark My Words....
the West will be stronger than the East.

~you all cling to the words of ESPN as if it was a religion... muito esquisito.
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I could see the west being better than the east this year. MSU will not be as good as last year and OSU lost a ton. I think Michigan will be better as well as PSU now they finally have 85 scholarships. Indiana will be worse (at least offensively) . Maryland has some talent and Rutgers is breaking in a new coach. However, one could argue that Wisconsin is not the Wisconsin of old, I think the coaching carousel is catching up with them. Nebby, who the hell knows what you are going to get, they have the talent but do they have the "it" factor that Iowa had last year. I think Minnisota was the best 6 win team in the Nation last year, NW will have year 2 with their QB, if they can pass just a little bit better they will be good. I think Illinois stays the same, I think they did as good as they could have last year. Lovie is a good coach, but I think they let a good one go too, Lovie is more of a splash hire. Purdue, well its Purdue..... I think it will be even and I also think the divisions have been much more even than most would like to admit. The west just doesn't have the "blue blood" programs that are "sexy" to national media. Nebby lost that years ago, Wisconsin has been close but as mentioned 3 coaches in 5 or so years puts an end to that. Iowa has been too up and down, if they can hold on to this momentum maybe we see long standing success, the stability is their and also the recruiting is getting there. The staff just needs to identify talent that is also willing to be humble and work hard, their is no way KF, Doyle, and staff are going to change that approach. Sometimes bringing in ego's can really make it tough (DJK, Willies, etc) but those that can get over themselves and become humble the sky is the limit (Carl Davis, CJ Fed). Sometimes talent doesn't want to work hard, but if we can get that athlete then oh my! I think the class we are bringing in brings those two components
 
unoHawkeye said:
Yeah, fortunately we missed the 7-6 (4-4) juggernaut Penn State. And you're right, if the slaughtering we took at the hands of MSU was any indication, we wouldn't have even held our own in the other games.
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didnt say you wouldn`t hold your own. iowa was very good last year. but to say you didnt have a very fortunate schedule, missing those 4 teams is stupid.
 
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fifteenandoh said:
in Big Ten play... Iowa created 19 turnovers... Michigan just 6

its not even close, fellas....
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If how many turnovers you created was the deciding factor then you'd be right. Unfortunately you said Iowa's d is better and it's not even close and that statement stands as absurd and idiotic
 
bone tomahawk said:
didnt say you wouldn`t hold your own. iowa was very good last year. but to say you didnt have a very fortunate schedule, missing those 4 teams is stupid.
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Iowa had to go to Wisconsin Northwestern and Nebraska..... Iowa had arguably the toughest schedule in the country...

I think many people are drinking the ESPN urine flavored kool aid.

you want to talk about cream puff schedules... look at Alabama...
their 11th game of the season was against Charleston Southern.

Charleston Southern..... and..... nobody in the SEC can compete with Alabama... its not a competitive conference.

the Big Ten is very competitive and very strong from top to bottom....
look... I appreciate your opinion.... but I know you are just parroting the people at ESPN who tell you how to think.

I would welcome some evidence to support your claims that Iowa had a weak schedule... but I'm telling you man.... I don't buy it... I don't buy the ESPN BS... not even a little bit of it.
 
fifteenandoh said:
Iowa had to go to Wisconsin Northwestern and Nebraska..... Iowa had arguably the toughest schedule in the country...

I think many people are drinking the ESPN urine flavored kool aid.

you want to talk about cream puff schedules... look at Alabama...
their 11th game of the season was against Charleston Southern.

Charleston Southern..... and..... nobody in the SEC can compete with Alabama... its not a competitive conference.

the Big Ten is very competitive and very strong from top to bottom....
look... I appreciate your opinion.... but I know you are just parroting the people at ESPN who tell you how to think.

I would welcome some evidence to support your claims that Iowa had a weak schedule... but I'm telling you man.... I don't buy it... I don't buy the ESPN BS... not even a little bit of it.
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i went back and read some of your other post`s. like i said earlier you can`t be more than 15 years old. if you are a grown man then you have got to stop drinking so much.
 
ThomesG.Hey said:
If how many turnovers you created was the deciding factor then you'd be right. Unfortunately you said Iowa's d is better and it's not even close and that statement stands as absurd and idiotic
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yah... well... the deciding factor is wins... Iowa won 8.. Michigan won 6....

and let's face it.... Michigan would not have even won 6 games if it weren't for them having Iowa's quarterback.

come on... tell the truth.... they won 6 because of Jake Rudock (former Iowa Hawkeye).

maybe they go 3-5 without him... I'll give you that much.... but come on... tell the truth.
Michigan hasn't been good in a long time.... they get a kid from Iowa... and then they have a good season.

tell the truth.... Michigan is a media sensation.... just like in years past... its just a matter of time before that cookie crumbles.
 
bone tomahawk said:
i went back and read some of your other post`s. like i said earlier you can`t be more than 15 years old. if you are a grown man then you have got to stop drinking so much.
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that right there is "slander".... by definition...

one... what you are saying is not true...
and two... you say those things in an attempt to defame my character and discredit what I have to say.

now.... if the facts supported your side... you wouldn't have to resort to this tactic.
 
fifteenandoh said:
yah... well... the deciding factor is wins... Iowa won 8.. Michigan won 6....

and let's face it.... Michigan would not have even won 6 games if it weren't for them having Iowa's quarterback.

come on... tell the truth.... they won 6 because of Jake Rudock (former Iowa Hawkeye).

maybe they go 3-5 without him... I'll give you that much.... but come on... tell the truth.
Michigan hasn't been good in a long time.... they get a kid from Iowa... and then they have a good season.

tell the truth.... Michigan is a media sensation.... just like in years past... its just a matter of time before that cookie crumbles.
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Reading that post is sure to drop everyone's iq
 
fifteenandoh said:
that right there is "slander".... by definition...

one... what you are saying is not true...
and two... you say those things in an attempt to defame my character and discredit what I have to say.

now.... if the facts supported your side... you wouldn't have to resort to this tactic.
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slander? fifteen year olds do exist, and alot of grown men drink too much. you are one or the other. you have proven that in all your posts.
 
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bone tomahawk said:
didnt say you wouldn`t hold your own. iowa was very good last year. but to say you didnt have a very fortunate schedule, missing those 4 teams is stupid.
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Point out to me exactly where I said we didn't have a fortunate schedule. Penn State wasn't that good though.
 
unoHawkeye said:
Point out to me exactly where I said we didn't have a fortunate schedule. Penn State wasn't that good though.
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It was the poster that calls himself fifteenandoh or whatever. He said we arguably had the toughest schedule in the country which was a pretty stupid comment. Not sure how you got lumped in with that statement.
 
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fifteenandoh said:
I appreciated all the responses....

but... I would like to warn you all.... Michigan and Ohio State are not going to be all that good this year.... Michigan won't have an Iowa Quarterback leading their team... and Ohio State is replacing a lot of positions...

Michigan State has a new quarterback and so does Penn State....
I don't think these 4 teams will be weak.... its going to be very competitive, for sure...
but when it comes to playing the West....
I'm 100% convinced the West is much stronger this season...

see... the thing is.... there is not as big a gap from top to bottom as some might imagine...
you should know this when you hear people predicting North Dakota State and Rutgers beating Iowa.... if that was even possible.... then you have to concede its possible for Illinois to beat Michigan.... and so forth....

parity is a good thing... and I believe the Big Ten, from top to bottom, has lots of parity...
Mark My Words.
~thanks
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Actually, Iowa won't have the defense or skill set that Michigan will have. Iowa will lose to Michigan and go 8-4 this year. Hate to break it to you, but Iowa will not be what they were last year. Good, but not very good.
 
heat_dawg said:
It was the poster that calls himself fifteenandoh or whatever. He said we arguably had the toughest schedule in the country which was a pretty stupid comment. Not sure how you got lumped in with that statement.
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I can see how it would look like I was taking the side of that poster, but the quote I was disagreeing with was "look at your last two games to see what would have happened if you had played a real schedule," like we suddenly would have been 8-4 had we faced UM, MSU, OSU, and PSU (who was mediocre) in the regular season. Did we get a fortunate schedule? Sure, and we've got another one this year, but we were feet away from winning the MSU game. bone tomahawk made it sound like we had some average team who would hardly have been worth mentioning had we played all four of those teams. I call BS.
 
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unoHawkeye said:
I can see how it would look like I was taking the side of that poster, but the quote I was disagreeing with was "look at your last two games to see what would have happened if you had played a real schedule," like we suddenly would have been 8-4 had we faced UM, MSU, OSU, and PSU (who was mediocre) in the regular season. Did we get a fortunate schedule? Sure, and we've got another one this year, but we were feet away from winning the MSU game. bone tomahawk made it sound like we had some average team who would hardly have been worth mentioning had we played all four of those teams. I call BS.
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I like your comment... but I wholeheartedly disagree with your assessment that we had a fortunate schedule last season...

we were on the road to Wisconsin Northwestern and Nebraska...

now... I will give you Nebraska not being a very good football team... but I put Wisconsin and Northwestern up there with Ohio State and Michigan.... and again... we were on the road against those team...

Wisconsin has 3 Big Ten Titles in the last 6 seasons... Ohio State only one.... and Michigan hasn't won a Title since they shared one with Iowa...

people who say Iowa had a favorable schedule last season are liars.
~thanks
 
PharmD Blue said:
The difference will be seen on the field when Michigan shuts them out completely.
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Could it be?!?
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fifteenandoh said:
I like your comment... but I wholeheartedly disagree with your assessment that we had a fortunate schedule last season...

we were on the road to Wisconsin Northwestern and Nebraska...

now... I will give you Nebraska not being a very good football team... but I put Wisconsin and Northwestern up there with Ohio State and Michigan.... and again... we were on the road against those team...

Wisconsin has 3 Big Ten Titles in the last 6 seasons... Ohio State only one.... and Michigan hasn't won a Title since they shared one with Iowa...

people who say Iowa had a favorable schedule last season are liars.
~thanks
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What does having 3 Big Ten Titles in 6 seasons have to do with how good Wisconsin was LAST year? Wisconsin was a bit down last year, and Northwestern, while good, wasn't spectacular either (they also have no home field advantage). We were fortunate, and that is not a lie.
 
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unoHawkeye said:
What does having 3 Big Ten Titles in 6 seasons have to do with how good Wisconsin was LAST year? Wisconsin was a bit down last year, and Northwestern, while good, wasn't spectacular either (they also have no home field advantage). We were fortunate, and that is not a lie.
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Ohio State and Michigan all had fortunate schedules last season because those teams did not have to play Iowa or Wisconsin...

if you are going to apply the logic that Iowa had a weak schedule because they did not play those teams, then you have to apply it to those teams the same.

my point with Wisconsin winning 3 of the last 6 Big Ten Titles is that they are a greater football program than Ohio State and Michigan....

we had to play Wisconsin.... we had to play them at Camp Randall... and we beat them.

outside of Michigan State, Wisconsin is the best football program in the Big Ten these last 6 seasons.

we had arguably the toughest schedule in the Big Ten because we had to play on the road at Wisconsin.... at Northwestern.... and at Nebraska.

people that say we had a weak schedule are liars.

and btw..... Wisconsin was NOT down last season.... had they beaten Iowa... they would have won the West.
 
fifteenandoh said:
Ohio State and Michigan all had fortunate schedules last season because those teams did not have to play Iowa or Wisconsin...

if you are going to apply the logic that Iowa had a weak schedule because they did not play those teams, then you have to apply it to those teams the same.

my point with Wisconsin winning 3 of the last 6 Big Ten Titles is that they are a greater football program than Ohio State and Michigan....

we had to play Wisconsin.... we had to play them at Camp Randall... and we beat them.

outside of Michigan State, Wisconsin is the best football program in the Big Ten these last 6 seasons.

we had arguably the toughest schedule in the Big Ten because we had to play on the road at Wisconsin.... at Northwestern.... and at Nebraska.

people that say we had a weak schedule are liars.

and btw..... Wisconsin was NOT down last season.... had they beaten Iowa... they would have won the West.
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fifteenandoh said:
Ohio State and Michigan all had fortunate schedules last season because those teams did not have to play Iowa or Wisconsin...

if you are going to apply the logic that Iowa had a weak schedule because they did not play those teams, then you have to apply it to those teams the same.

my point with Wisconsin winning 3 of the last 6 Big Ten Titles is that they are a greater football program than Ohio State and Michigan....

we had to play Wisconsin.... we had to play them at Camp Randall... and we beat them.

outside of Michigan State, Wisconsin is the best football program in the Big Ten these last 6 seasons.

we had arguably the toughest schedule in the Big Ten because we had to play on the road at Wisconsin.... at Northwestern.... and at Nebraska.

people that say we had a weak schedule are liars.

and btw..... Wisconsin was NOT down last season.... had they beaten Iowa... they would have won the West.
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Yes. ESPN, sagarin, Steele and the formulas they use to figure strength of schedule are all liars. That is intelligent
 
fifteenandoh said:
Ohio State and Michigan all had fortunate schedules last season because those teams did not have to play Iowa or Wisconsin...

if you are going to apply the logic that Iowa had a weak schedule because they did not play those teams, then you have to apply it to those teams the same.

my point with Wisconsin winning 3 of the last 6 Big Ten Titles is that they are a greater football program than Ohio State and Michigan....

we had to play Wisconsin.... we had to play them at Camp Randall... and we beat them.

outside of Michigan State, Wisconsin is the best football program in the Big Ten these last 6 seasons.

we had arguably the toughest schedule in the Big Ten because we had to play on the road at Wisconsin.... at Northwestern.... and at Nebraska.

people that say we had a weak schedule are liars.

and btw..... Wisconsin was NOT down last season.... had they beaten Iowa... they would have won the West.
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I tried to stay away from this thread (you) but damn man you are a moron. You are either trying to incite crap or you are a complete idiot. Last question before I put you on ignore.... Looking forward to 4th grade?
You got your week of posting in so it is time to cut you off.
 
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fifteenandoh said:
that right there is "slander".... by definition...

one... what you are saying is not true...
and two... you say those things in an attempt to defame my character and discredit what I have to say.

now.... if the facts supported your side... you wouldn't have to resort to this tactic.
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Slander? Might want to re read your definition. Stick with libel.
 
fifteenandoh said:
Ohio State and Michigan all had fortunate schedules last season because those teams did not have to play Iowa or Wisconsin...

if you are going to apply the logic that Iowa had a weak schedule because they did not play those teams, then you have to apply it to those teams the same.

my point with Wisconsin winning 3 of the last 6 Big Ten Titles is that they are a greater football program than Ohio State and Michigan....

we had to play Wisconsin.... we had to play them at Camp Randall... and we beat them.

outside of Michigan State, Wisconsin is the best football program in the Big Ten these last 6 seasons.

we had arguably the toughest schedule in the Big Ten because we had to play on the road at Wisconsin.... at Northwestern.... and at Nebraska.

people that say we had a weak schedule are liars.

and btw..... Wisconsin was NOT down last season.... had they beaten Iowa... they would have won the West.
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You need to seek help badly. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and consider you are trying to be funny. That or you are drunk and or on drugs.
 
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