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fifteenandoh said:
literally the first thing I said:

"the non conference games only matter in the extreme circumstance..."

you guys are tempting me to pick on you.....
but I will always try my best to treat everyone fair.

non con games do matter.... but... I preface why they matter and how much they matter...
and what I say is absolutely 100% true.

polls don't matter... at all....
the only thing that matters is winning the Conference Championship.
its the only thing.
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So winning the conference championship but losing to to Iowa state and North Dakota state, do you think that gets iowa in the playoff? Winning the conference championship while going undefeated does for sure. You're trying way too hard at this trolling thing
 
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ThomesG.Hey said:
So winning the conference championship but losing to to Iowa state and North Dakota state, do you think that gets iowa in the playoff? Winning the conference championship while going undefeated does for sure. You're trying way too hard at this trolling thing
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a 5-7 Iowa Hawkeye team that wins the Conference Championship game should definitely be in the College Playoffs because they are in the Big Ten...

Big Ten Conference Champions and SEC Conference Champions should always be in the College Playoffs without exception.
 
fifteenandoh said:
one game is not a large enough sample size....
as I have pointed out several times....
Iowa gave up FEWER points per game during Big Ten Play...
and Iowa created 17 turnovers to Michigan's 6

Michigan did beat Northwestern 38-0
but
Iowa beat Northwestern 40-10

the difference is.... when Michigan beat Northwestern.. it was AT Michigan...
when Iowa dominated Northwestern.. it was AT Northwestern.

in other games:
Michigan gave up 27 points to Michigan State
Iowa only gave up 16 points to Michigan State

Michigan gave up 41 points to Indiana
Iowa only gave up 27 points to Indiana

plus:
Iowa lost 0 games in Conference play
Michigan lost 2 games in Conference play

all these numbers utterly destroy the idea that Michigan has a better defense.

and let us not forget...
Michigan has not won a Big Ten Title since the last time they shared a Big Ten Title with the Iowa Hawkeyes.

(from where I'm sitting... you got snot running out your nose)
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I actually don't totally disagree with you. I do think the arguments dumb. I think both sides of this argument are taking it to an extreme.

But as with every message board or Facebook argument this is basically what it is.

(Stolen from someone on the bb board)

 
fifteenandoh said:
literally the first thing I said:

"the non conference games only matter in the extreme circumstance..."

you guys are tempting me to pick on you.....
but I will always try my best to treat everyone fair.

non con games do matter.... but... I preface why they matter and how much they matter...
and what I say is absolutely 100% true.

polls don't matter... at all....
the only thing that matters is winning the Conference Championship.
its the only thing.
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When you compare non conference games to NFL preseason games that's where you are getting the flack from. As for conference titles playoff committee said it is not a must have to make playoffs. Chairmen said last year in hypothetical situation even if Ole Miss would have gone to SEC title game last year if they hadn't lost to Arkansas in OT good chance Alabama would still be in the playoffs due to their strong conference and NON CONFERENCE performance in win over Wisconsin. Actually winning a national title not conf title would be the ultimate goal so conf title is not the only thing that matters. And yes polls do matter particularly the playoff committee cause their poll/ranking determines 4 teams who make the playoffs.
 
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iahawkeyes17 said:
When you compare non conference games to NFL preseason games that's where you are getting the flack from. As for conference titles playoff committee said it is not a must have to make playoffs. Chairmen said last year in hypothetical situation even if Ole Miss would have gone to SEC title game last year if they hadn't lost to Arkansas in OT good chance Alabama would still be in the playoffs due to their strong conference and NON CONFERENCE performance in win over Wisconsin. Actually winning a national title not conf title would be the ultimate goal so conf title is not the only thing that matters. And yes polls do matter particularly the playoff committee cause their poll/ranking determines 4 teams who make the playoffs.
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see... that would delegitimitize the College Playoff System...
by that same argument, Iowa and or Ohio State should have been in the Playoffs last season.
the College Playoffs should be for Conference Champions Only.
otherwise its not a legitimate system.
 
fifteenandoh said:
see... that would delegitimitize the College Playoff System...
by that same argument, Iowa and or Ohio State should have been in the Playoffs last season.
the College Playoffs should be for Conference Champions Only.
otherwise its not a legitimate system.
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Well luckily the playoff committee disagrees with you and for good reason. Their reasoning they want the 4 best teams in the playoffs and they understand some years a conference maybe down or more dominant therefore you could see more than 2 teams from same conference. As much as I hate SEC we've seen years past where Bama and LSU can easily be considered 2 of top 4 teams.

Point in case what if a team who won the Big 12 like OU this year that finishes with a 10-2 or 9-3 record. Ohio St one of the team who beats them and they are undefeated in regluar season and lets say Iowa who is 12-0 or 11-1 beats them in the big 10 title game in OT. Who is more deserving of a playoff spot. OU or OSU? That is why committee not limiting to conference champs only.
 
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fifteenandoh said:
a 5-7 Iowa Hawkeye team that wins the Conference Championship game should definitely be in the College Playoffs because they are in the Big Ten...

Big Ten Conference Champions and SEC Conference Champions should always be in the College Playoffs without exception.
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I was 99.9% sure you were just some idiot out trolling looking for attention. This clinches it.
 
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Iowa at Rutgers (W)
Wisconsin at Michigan State (L+)
Wisconsin at Michigan (L+)
Minnesota at Penn State (Push)
Purdue at Maryland (L)
Minnesota at Maryland (W-)
Illinois at Rutgers (W)
Nebraska at Indiana (W-)
Northwestern at Michigan State (L+)
Ohio State at Wisconsin (L)
Indiana at Northwestern (W-)
Rutgers at Minnesota (W)
Illinois at Michigan (L)
Penn State at Purdue (L)
Northwestern at Ohio State (L)
Michigan State at Illinois (L)
Iowa at Penn State (W-)
Nebraska at Ohio State (L)
Michigan at Iowa (Push)
Maryland at Nebraska (W-)
Purdue at Indiana (L+)

Looking at those games, I've got 8-2-11, if I'm going as far out on a limb as I dare (predicting a set outcome as much as possible). There are 9 games where I'd feel safer at "push," though, which would be an ugly 3-11-7. If I was really being bullish I'd be at 8-6-7. If I was really being negative, 3-7-11. Bottom line is, I think OP is too high on Wisconsin and too low on Michigan and Ohio State.
 
iahawkeyes17 said:
Well luckily the playoff committee disagrees with you and for good reason. Their reasoning they want the 4 best teams in the playoffs and they understand some years a conference maybe down or more dominant therefore you could see more than 2 teams from same conference. As much as I hate SEC we've seen years past where Bama and LSU can easily be considered 2 of top 4 teams.

Point in case what if a team who won the Big 12 like OU this year that finishes with a 10-2 or 9-3 record. Ohio St one of the team who beats them and they are undefeated in regluar season and lets say Iowa who is 12-0 or 11-1 beats them in the big 10 title game in OT. Who is more deserving of a playoff spot. OU or OSU? That is why committee not limiting to conference champs only.
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Conference Champions Only

otherwise the College Playoff System is illegitimate... no exceptions.
 
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fifteenandoh said:
ESPN CollegeFootball ‏@ESPNCFB 28 Oct 2014
College Football Playoff Rankings top 4 teams + First 2 out » #CFP25 on ESPN
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You realIze ESPN doesn't decide the playoff teams right? Thats just ESPN doing ESPN things.

"they are under the delusion set forth by the propagandist at ESPN...."

That's directly out of one of your previous posts in this thread and then you turn around and try to use ESPN to back up your argument. Stupid is as stupid does....
 
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ThomesG.Hey said:
You realIze ESPN doesn't decide the playoff teams right? Thats just ESPN doing ESPN things.

"they are under the delusion set forth by the propagandist at ESPN...."

That's directly out of one of your previous posts in this thread and then you turn around and try to use ESPN to back up your argument. Stupid is as stupid does....
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yah Thomes.... I use that as an example... ESPN has an agenda... and if you don't use reason and logic, like I do... what you get is a situation like you see there in that image... with 4 of the top 6 being SEC teams..

the only way the College Playoffs can be considered legitimate is if they include Conference Champions Only.

ESPN does a tireless job of brainwashing people into thinking Conference Championships don't matter... and people like our friend UnoHawkeye eat it up.

I encourage everyone to question everything and throw away this idea that those people at ESPN are smarter than you.

THomes.... for as dog dumb as you are....
you are still WAY SMARTER than anybody at ESPN.

that's the truth... and that's reality.
 
fifteenandoh said:
yah Thomes.... I use that as an example... ESPN has an agenda... and if you don't use reason and logic, like I do... what you get is a situation like you see there in that image... with 4 of the top 6 being SEC teams..

the only way the College Playoffs can be considered legitimate is if they include Conference Champions Only.

ESPN does a tireless job of brainwashing people into thinking Conference Championships don't matter... and people like our friend UnoHawkeye eat it up.

I encourage everyone to question everything and throw away this idea that those people at ESPN are smarter than you.

THomes.... for as dog dumb as you are....
you are still WAY SMARTER than anybody at ESPN.

that's the truth... and that's reality.
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Your logic is that a team could be 5-7 and make the playoff. That's literally one of the dumbest things I've ever read, anywhere, about anything.
 
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ThomesG.Hey said:
Your logic is that a team could be 5-7 and make the playoff. That's literally one of the dumbest things I've ever read, anywhere, about anything.
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well... that's because you are under the ESPN SPELL.

you are stuck in a TRANCE.

I'm trying to break you of that.

2 reasons why a 5-7 Iowa teams goes to the Playoffs.
1) the Big Ten is arguably the strongest Conference.
2) in the NFL 7-9 teams make the playoffs.... its never about wearing the prettiest dress... its about winning the Division.

if a 5-7 Iowa Hawkeye team wins the Division..... they will play in the Championship Game.... that's the way it is.

now.... any team that wins the Big Ten Conference should be in the College Playoffs....
it should be automatic because the Big Ten is far superior than the Pac 12 ACC and Big12...

it'd be ridiculous to not include the Big Ten Champion regardless of the situation.

but those guys at ESPN will have you wondering if a 13-0 Iowa Hawkeye team will make the Playoffs....

Why is that Thomes?

why would they want you to question whether or not a 13-0 Iowa Hawkeye team would make the Playoffs?

think about it Thomes....

would any 13-0 SEC not make the College Playoffs?
 
btw... Thomes..... I want you to know that I appreciate the conversation....
for me.... this is all about having fun...

I would like to end this conversation because I have an idea for a new thread....
one that I'm sure you will appreciate....

I'll let you have the last word.... and again... thank you for making this fun.
 
fifteenandoh said:
well... that's because you are under the ESPN SPELL.

you are stuck in a TRANCE.

I'm trying to break you of that.

2 reasons why a 5-7 Iowa teams goes to the Playoffs.
1) the Big Ten is arguably the strongest Conference.
2) in the NFL 7-9 teams make the playoffs.... its never about wearing the prettiest dress... its about winning the Division.

if a 5-7 Iowa Hawkeye team wins the Division..... they will play in the Championship Game.... that's the way it is.

now.... any team that wins the Big Ten Conference should be in the College Playoffs....
it should be automatic because the Big Ten is far superior than the Pac 12 ACC and Big12...

it'd be ridiculous to not include the Big Ten Champion regardless of the situation.

but those guys at ESPN will have you wondering if a 13-0 Iowa Hawkeye team will make the Playoffs....

Why is that Thomes?

why would they want you to question whether or not a 13-0 Iowa Hawkeye team would make the Playoffs?

think about it Thomes....

would any 13-0 SEC not make the College Playoffs?
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The problem is ESPN wouldn't have me or any logical person wondering if a 13-0 iowa team should be in. You're making that up.
 
fifteenandoh said:
yah Thomes.... I use that as an example... ESPN has an agenda... and if you don't use reason and logic, like I do... what you get is a situation like you see there in that image... with 4 of the top 6 being SEC teams..

the only way the College Playoffs can be considered legitimate is if they include Conference Champions Only.

ESPN does a tireless job of brainwashing people into thinking Conference Championships don't matter... and people like our friend UnoHawkeye eat it up.

I encourage everyone to question everything and throw away this idea that those people at ESPN are smarter than you.

THomes.... for as dog dumb as you are....
you are still WAY SMARTER than anybody at ESPN.

that's the truth... and that's reality.
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Did I miss something between where I asked when your graphic actually came to fruition and now where I apparently eat up ESPN's brainwashing material?

My point was that graphic never happened because it would not happen. Alabama was never going to join Ole Miss and Mississippi St. in the playoff because there will never be three teams from the same conference in the CFP.

And it all worked out- 1. Alabama 2. FSU 3. Oregon 4. Ohio State.
 
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What year was it that they stuck 2 sec teams in the championship game? Most boring, lowest rated championship game ever. If you let them though, espn will do it again in a heartbeat.
 
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spbc7 said:
The top of the East played the bottom of the West and the top of the West played to bottom of the East. All that 7-7 proves is that the top of each division was better than the bottom of the other division. You really can't deny that the best teams in the East were better than the best teams in the West. That being said, the gap between the divisions is nowhere near as big as the media makes it sound.
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I don't get how you can say this. MSU literally won on the last play of the game in the CCG and then both Iowa and MSU got piss pounded in their bowl game. Not sure how that means the best teams in the east were better than the best teams in the West.
 
BioHawk said:
I don't get how you can say this. MSU literally won on the last play of the game in the CCG and then both Iowa and MSU got piss pounded in their bowl game. Not sure how that means the best teams in the east were better than the best teams in the West.
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Northwestern got blown out by the second place SEC East team. Wisconsin barely snuck out a win over a 5 loss team. Meanwhile, OSU handled a top 10 team and Michigan blew out the 1st place SEC East team. Seems pretty clear to me (and pretty much everyone else).
 
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heat_dawg said:
Have a Michigan buddy that stays as close to that program as you can and from what I am hearing there is no clear starter at QB. So O'Korn may not even be playing let alone dazzling.
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it's the same thing as last year. Harbaugh didn't name Rudock starter until the day of the Utah game. He had an open competition all camp. We all knew who the winner would be, but he refused to give 1 player all the 1st team reps and he made them all work.

Same thing this year. We all know O'Korn will be the starter, but he won't announce it until the day of the 1st game. Just because everybody is competing doesn't mean we can't figure out who the best one is.
 
spbc7 said:
A college football ref? Lol nope. You'd be calling holds on every single play if you thought that one was horrible.
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Yeah, an OL tackling a LB from behind as the LB is about to tackle a RB, right in front of an official isn't horrible. You're right!
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A 3 loss Iowa team doesn't make the playoff. Winning the conference doesn't guarantee a playoff spot. That part is fairly certain in spite of some proclamations by one person.
 
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WORTHYWISH said:
Yeah, an OL tackling a LB from behind as the LB is about to tackle a RB, right in front of an official isn't horrible. You're right!
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If that had actually happened, I would agree with you, but it didn't. The lineman knocked him sideways (the way his momentum was going) from the front of his trailing shoulder. Was there a little arm hook in there? Definitely, but it was far from a blantant hold. Refs let them play on that one 98 times out of 100. Josey certianly didn't seem bothered by it. If it was that bad, you would have seen some sort of reaction from him.
 
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