Mark My Words...

[fifteenandoh]

I appreciate the responses... but I fully believe that if anybody disagrees with the evidence that I provided.... they are under the delusion set forth by the propagandist at ESPN....
and therefore... they who disagree deserve to believe a lie.

nothing you say or believe is going to stop the Iowa Hawkeyes from winning the West division this season....

like it or not... its going to happen.

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

I appreciate the responses... but I fully believe that if anybody disagrees with the evidence that I provided.... they are under the delusion set forth by the propagandist at ESPN....
and therefore... they who disagree deserve to believe a lie.

nothing you say or believe is going to stop the Iowa Hawkeyes from winning the West division this season....

like it or not... its going to happen.

Like the evidence that Michigan gave up less ppg? Meaning if you think "Iowa's d is better and it's not even close" then that makes you an idiot

 

[fifteenandoh]

Iowa gave up less points per game than Michigan in Big Ten play.... "

for crying out loud...

also.... Iowa created 17 turnovers in Big Ten Play... Michigan just the 6..

we're going in circles TG

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

Iowa gave up less points per game than Michigan in Big Ten play.... "

for crying out loud...

also.... Iowa created 17 turnovers in Big Ten Play... Michigan just the 6..

we're going in circles TG

Last I checked the entire season counts

 

[fifteenandoh]

Last I checked the entire season counts

the non conference games only matter in the extreme circumstance where you have 3 or more teams tied for the division lead... and numerous tie breakers are involved....

otherwise the non con games are absolutely 100% meaningless.

but the only fair true measure are the conference games as a whole....
non con games are like preseason NFL games... they don't really matter.... except that it gives teams an opportunity to evaluate the talent.

in College... its barely any different....

I mean really..... who gives a sh*t about bowl games?

its all about winning the Division and competing for a Championship.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

I like your comment... but I wholeheartedly disagree with your assessment that we had a fortunate schedule last season...

we were on the road to Wisconsin Northwestern and Nebraska...

now... I will give you Nebraska not being a very good football team... but I put Wisconsin and Northwestern up there with Ohio State and Michigan.... and again... we were on the road against those team...

Wisconsin has 3 Big Ten Titles in the last 6 seasons... Ohio State only one.... and Michigan hasn't won a Title since they shared one with Iowa...

people who say Iowa had a favorable schedule last season are liars.
~thanks

You do realize Michigan shut out N'Western last year 38-0. Game wasn't even close. Plus Michigan and OSU by far had the best performances of any Big 10 team in a bowl game. As others said history has no bearing on last season or will on next year on determining how good or bad a team is.

Some advice for you quit while you are behind before you embarrass yourself anymore.

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

the non conference games only matter in the extreme circumstance where you have 3 or more teams tied for the division lead... and numerous tie breakers are involved....

otherwise the non con games are absolutely 100% meaningless.

but the only fair true measure are the conference games as a whole....
non con games are like preseason NFL games... they don't really matter.... except that it gives teams an opportunity to evaluate the talent.

in College... its barely any different....

I mean really..... who gives a sh*t about bowl games?

its all about winning the Division and competing for a Championship.

You definitely keep adding your posts to the "dumbest things I've read on here" list

 

[fifteenandoh]

You do realize Michigan shut out N'Western last year 38-0. Game wasn't even close. Plus Michigan and OSU by far had the best performances of any Big 10 team in a bowl game. As others said history has no bearing on last season or will on next year on determining how good or bad a team is.

Some advice for you quit while you are behind before you embarrass yourself anymore.

one game is not a large enough sample size....
as I have pointed out several times....
Iowa gave up FEWER points per game during Big Ten Play...
and Iowa created 17 turnovers to Michigan's 6

Michigan did beat Northwestern 38-0
but
Iowa beat Northwestern 40-10

the difference is.... when Michigan beat Northwestern.. it was AT Michigan...
when Iowa dominated Northwestern.. it was AT Northwestern.

in other games:
Michigan gave up 27 points to Michigan State
Iowa only gave up 16 points to Michigan State

Michigan gave up 41 points to Indiana
Iowa only gave up 27 points to Indiana

plus:
Iowa lost 0 games in Conference play
Michigan lost 2 games in Conference play

all these numbers utterly destroy the idea that Michigan has a better defense.

and let us not forget...
Michigan has not won a Big Ten Title since the last time they shared a Big Ten Title with the Iowa Hawkeyes.

(from where I'm sitting... you got snot running out your nose)

 

[iahawkeyes17]

one game is not a large enough sample size....
as I have pointed out several times....
Iowa gave up FEWER points per game during Big Ten Play...
and Iowa created 17 turnovers to Michigan's 6

Michigan did beat Northwestern 38-0
but
Iowa beat Northwestern 40-10

the difference is.... when Michigan beat Northwestern.. it was AT Michigan...
when Iowa dominated Northwestern.. it was AT Northwestern.

in other games:
Michigan gave up 27 points to Michigan State
Iowa only gave up 16 points to Michigan State

Michigan gave up 41 points to Indiana
Iowa only gave up 27 points to Indiana

plus:
Iowa lost 0 games in Conference play
Michigan lost 2 games in Conference play

all these numbers utterly destroy the idea that Michigan has a better defense.

and let us not forget...
Michigan has not won a Big Ten Title since the last time they shared a Big Ten Title with the Iowa Hawkeyes.

(from where I'm sitting... you got snot running out your nose)

Hey genius thanks for all the Iowa/Michigan stats. Not sure what point of posting them was before cause I think Iowa was better than them last year and if you put your glasses on no where in my comment did I say anything to disparage that. However in my comment I was referring to the fact that Michigan and Ohio St were lot better than Wisconsin and N'Western, hence posting the fact on how Michigan destroyed N'Western and how impressive OSU and Michigan were in their bowl games. Plus as many others stated past titles carry zero weight on arguing who is better last season or for next season. That's the kind of garbage I'd expect from a Husker fan.

Again please take my advice and quite while you're behind...

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

one game is not a large enough sample size....
as I have pointed out several times....
Iowa gave up FEWER points per game during Big Ten Play...
and Iowa created 17 turnovers to Michigan's 6

Michigan did beat Northwestern 38-0
but
Iowa beat Northwestern 40-10

the difference is.... when Michigan beat Northwestern.. it was AT Michigan...
when Iowa dominated Northwestern.. it was AT Northwestern.

in other games:
Michigan gave up 27 points to Michigan State
Iowa only gave up 16 points to Michigan State

Michigan gave up 41 points to Indiana
Iowa only gave up 27 points to Indiana

plus:
Iowa lost 0 games in Conference play
Michigan lost 2 games in Conference play

all these numbers utterly destroy the idea that Michigan has a better defense.

and let us not forget...
Michigan has not won a Big Ten Title since the last time they shared a Big Ten Title with the Iowa Hawkeyes.

(from where I'm sitting... you got snot running out your nose)

It's the fact that you say it's not even close. That's the idiotic part.

 

[fifteenandoh]

Hey genius thanks for all the Iowa/Michigan stats. Not sure what point of posting them was before cause I think Iowa was better than them last year and if you put your glasses on no where in my comment did I say anything to disparage that. However in my comment I was referring to the fact that Michigan and Ohio St were lot better than Wisconsin and N'Western, hence posting the fact on how Michigan destroyed N'Western and how impressive OSU and Michigan were in their bowl games. Plus as many others stated past titles carry zero weight on arguing who is better last season or for next season. That's the kind of garbage I'd expect from a Husker fan.

Again please take my advice and quite while you're behind...

see..... there you go again... you keep going in circles and you keep avoiding reality.

there is no way you can make a strong case that Ohio State was better than Wisconsin last season... (lucky for Ohio State, they never had to play Wisconsin, Northwestern, or even Iowa)

Ohio State had a weak Big Ten schedule last season.... they never even won their division.... and they are losing a lot of people from last season.

now.... you made the claim that Ohio State and Michigan are better teams...
so let's see the evidence to support this claim.
~thanks

 

[fifteenandoh]

It's the fact that you say it's not even close. That's the idiotic part.

Iowa created 17 turnovers to Michigan's 6

Iowa was much better... and those numbers prove beyond a reasonable doubt that....
its not even close.

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

Iowa created 17 turnovers to Michigan's 6

Iowa was much better... and those numbers prove beyond a reasonable doubt that....
its not even close.

Like has been said before points are what matter. Even if you just go by conference games, which makes no sense (your comment about ooc games meaning nothing makes the top 5 dumbest things said on this board), Iowa is less than 2 ppg better. To say it's not even close makes you delusional, dumb, and kills any chance of anyone thinking you're anything but a troll. Now, let's hear your counter argument about how iowa created more turnovers.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

see..... there you go again... you keep going in circles and you keep avoiding reality.

there is no way you can make a strong case that Ohio State was better than Wisconsin last season... (lucky for Ohio State, they never had to play Wisconsin, Northwestern, or even Iowa)

Ohio State had a weak Big Ten schedule last season.... they never even won their division.... and they are losing a lot of people from last season.

now.... you made the claim that Ohio State and Michigan are better teams...
so let's see the evidence to support this claim.
~thanks

You really are dumb aren't you. You argue Ohio St had a weak schedule but ignore Wisconsin's weak schedule. I love Iowa as much as the next Iowa fan but reality is that Iowa and Wisconsin had 2 of the easiest schedules avoiding Mich St, Michigan and OSU last year. You argue they didn't win their division but neither did Wisc or N'Western. You say they are losing a lot of people from last year, which they are which shows if you watched the NFL draft how much talent they had last season from amount of players that got drafted. Finally no where did I mention anything about next season for either team but you throw that in for OSU. Again look at their bowl performances they both dominated top 15 ranked schools. N'western got destroyed by Tenn and you ignore the fact Michigan killed them in regular season.

Most rational fans would use the eye test to tell who is better but I know that doesn't work for you. So you want evidence to support the claim that OSU and Michigan were better than Wisconsin and N'western last season here you go skippy....
Wow look at all the voters who know more about football than you who comprise the final polls for the season and look at that.
AP OSU #4, Michigan #12, Wisc #21, N'Western #23.
Coaches Poll OSU #4, Michigan #11, Wisc. #21, N'western #22

http://www.espn.com/college-football/rankings

 

[fifteenandoh]

Like has been said before points are what matter. Even if you just go by conference games, which makes no sense (your comment about ooc games meaning nothing makes the top 5 dumbest things said on this board), Iowa is less than 2 ppg better. To say it's not even close makes you delusional, dumb, and kills any chance of anyone thinking you're anything but a troll. Now, let's hear your counter argument about how iowa created more turnovers.

oh....... thank you..... this will be my pleasure.

see... Iowa had a very dominant defense.... if they needed to, they could have performed even better.... but when you win every game... you play some what conservative... you don't take as many chances....

but even still... because of Phil Parker and the entire coaching staff...
Iowa's defense was top notch.... best in the Big Ten.

now... with the numbers... numbers are funny...
see.... I can argue that the only reason Michigan gave up as few points as they did was because they had Iowa's Quarterback, Jake Rudock.

that guy was one of the best QB's in the Big Ten.... arguably the 2nd best.
his ability to manage the game and move the chains is outstanding....

and therefore... keeping opposing offenses off the field...
and therefore.... the reason why Michigan's points allowed numbers were down.

the simple reason why Michigan doesn't create turnovers is because their defense just ain't that good.

~thanks

 

[fifteenandoh]

You really are dumb aren't you. You argue Ohio St had a weak schedule but ignore Wisconsin's weak schedule. I love Iowa as much as the next Iowa fan but reality is that Iowa and Wisconsin had 2 of the easiest schedules avoiding Mich St, Michigan and OSU last year. You argue they didn't win their division but neither did Wisc or N'Western. You say they are losing a lot of people from last year, which they are which shows if you watched the NFL draft how much talent they had last season from amount of players that got drafted. Finally no where did I mention anything about next season for either team but you throw that in for OSU. Again look at their bowl performances they both dominated top 15 ranked schools. N'western got destroyed by Tenn and you ignore the fact Michigan killed them in regular season.

Most rational fans would use the eye test to tell who is better but I know that doesn't work for you. So you want evidence to support the claim that OSU and Michigan were better than Wisconsin and N'western last season here you go skippy....
Wow look at all the voters who know more about football than you who comprise the final polls for the season and look at that.
AP OSU #4, Michigan #12, Wisc #21, N'Western #23.
Coaches Poll OSU #4, Michigan #11, Wisc. #21, N'western #22

http://www.espn.com/college-football/rankings

oh my gawd.... these bozos don't know more than me..... that's number one....
number two... they are getting paid to vote the way they do...
I don't get paid for this...

I mean... you can't be serious...

the whole polling thing is an absolute sham and a fraud...
you can't trust the media, man....

seriously... this is not a balerina contest... its not about who wears the prettiest dress...

and again.... if you say Wisconsin had a weak schedule.... by default you must say Ohio State had a weak schedule....

otherwise you are NOT being honest with yourself.

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

oh....... thank you..... this will be my pleasure.

see... Iowa had a very dominant defense.... if they needed to, they could have performed even better.... but when you win every game... you play some what conservative... you don't take as many chances....

but even still... because of Phil Parker and the entire coaching staff...
Iowa's defense was top notch.... best in the Big Ten.

now... with the numbers... numbers are funny...
see.... I can argue that the only reason Michigan gave up as few points as they did was because they had Iowa's Quarterback, Jake Rudock.

that guy was one of the best QB's in the Big Ten.... arguably the 2nd best.
his ability to manage the game and move the chains is outstanding....

and therefore... keeping opposing offenses off the field...
and therefore.... the reason why Michigan's points allowed numbers were down.

the simple reason why Michigan doesn't create turnovers is because their defense just ain't that good.

~thanks

Michigan's average time of possession was 20 seconds per game better than Iowa in conference. Another idiotic argument you just made. That one backfired on you

 

[iahawkeyes17]

oh my gawd.... these bozos don't know more than me..... that's number one....
number two... they are getting paid to vote the way they do...
I don't get paid for this...

I mean... you can't be serious...

the whole polling thing is an absolute sham and a fraud...
you can't trust the media, man....

seriously... this is not a balerina contest... its not about who wears the prettiest dress...

and again.... if you say Wisconsin had a weak schedule.... by default you must say Ohio State had a weak schedule....

otherwise you are NOT being honest with yourself.

oh my gawd.... these bozos don't know more than me..... that's number one....
number two... they are getting paid to vote the way they do...
I don't get paid for this...

I mean... you can't be serious...

the whole polling thing is an absolute sham and a fraud...
you can't trust the media, man....

seriously... this is not a balerina contest... its not about who wears the prettiest dress...

and again.... if you say Wisconsin had a weak schedule.... by default you must say Ohio State had a weak schedule....

otherwise you are NOT being honest with yourself.

Yes "those bozos who vote on the poll", yes they do clearly know more than you as has clearly been shown by all the idiotic things you've posted in this thread. You wanted to facts to see who was better and there you go. Sometimes truth hurts but nice try with deflecting it with OSU schedule thrown in there at the end.

 

[fifteenandoh]

Yes "those bozos who vote on the poll", yes they do clearly know more than you as has clearly been shown by all the idiotic things you've posted in this thread. You wanted to facts to see who was better and there you go. Sometimes truth hurts but nice try with deflecting it with OSU schedule thrown in there at the end.

lol.... that's not facts... man....
I enjoy the conversation, so please try again using real facts.
~thanks

 

[fifteenandoh]

Michigan's average time of possession was 20 seconds per game better than Iowa in conference. Another idiotic argument you just made. That one backfired on you

yah... that actually supports my argument 100%

see... the reason why Iowa had high TOP numbers is because of the turnovers they created.

the reason why Michigan had high TOP numbers is because they had an excellent ball control quarterback.

~thanks

 

[iahawkeyes17]

lol.... that's not facts... man....
I enjoy the conversation, so please try again using real facts.
~thanks

Actually the polls are the determining factor end the year on who is better than who. Head to head matchups like Michigan killing N'Western not sure what "fact" you need to see after seeing that game on who was better. But thanks for reminding me a simple concept I was told years ago, sometimes you can't fix stupid and you are a perfect example of that.

 

[spbc7]

but even still... because of Phil Parker and the entire coaching staff...
Iowa's defense was top notch.... best in the Big Ten.

You want stats? Stats:
Iowa defense: 341 ypg, 4.96 yards per play, 20.4 ppg
Wisconsin defense: 268.5 ypg, 4.41 yards per play, 13.7 ppg
Michigan defense: 280.7 ypg, 4.46 yards per play, 16.4 ppg
Northwestern defense: 318.9 ypg, 4.53 parts per play, 18.6 ppg
OSU defense: 311.3 ypg, 4.50 yards per play, 15.1 ppg
PSU defense: 324.5 ypg, 4.78 yards per play, 21.8 ppg

I've got to give you credit, you're a damn good troll. I just want to see how you try and explain your way around this one. It's pretty entertaining.

 

[fifteenandoh]

Actually the polls are the determining factor end the year on who is better than who. Head to head matchups like Michigan killing N'Western not sure what "fact" you need to see after seeing that game on who was better. But thanks for reminding me a simple concept I was told years ago, sometimes you can't fix stupid and you are a perfect example of that.

yes... Michigan killed Northwestern..... in Michigan.
but.... Iowa killed Northwestern..... at Northwestern.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

yes... Michigan killed Northwestern..... in Michigan.
but.... Iowa killed Northwestern..... at Northwestern.

And Iowa killing N'western at N'Western helps prove what in your argument on how you claim Wisc and N'western were better than OSU and Michigan last year. And yet you're the moron wanting facts on why and you come up with this. Freaking brilliant...

 

[fifteenandoh]

You want stats? Stats:
Iowa defense: 341 ypg, 4.96 yards per play, 20.4 ppg
Wisconsin defense: 268.5 ypg, 4.41 yards per play, 13.7 ppg
Michigan defense: 280.7 ypg, 4.46 yards per play, 16.4 ppg
Northwestern defense: 318.9 ypg, 4.53 parts per play, 18.6 ppg
OSU defense: 311.3 ypg, 4.50 yards per play, 15.1 ppg
PSU defense: 324.5 ypg, 4.78 yards per play, 21.8 ppg

I've got to give you credit, you're a damn good troll. I just want to see how you try and explain your way around this one. It's pretty entertaining.

those numbers are skewed by the non conference games of each team....
non conference games are barely any different than PRE SEASON games in the NFL.
non con games barely matter at all.

let's look at the Big Ten Conference games only stats for each of these teams.


Iowa defense: 350.1 ypg, 5.0 ypp, 19.1 ppg
Wisconsin defense: 254.5 ypg, 4.2 ypp, 14.9 ppg

Michigan defense: 320.1 ypg, 4.2 ypp, 21.0 ppg
Northwestern defense: 332.8 ypg, 4.6 ypp, 20.0 ppg

OSU defense: 328.6 ypg, 4.8 ypp, 14.9 ppg
PSU defense: 345.6 ypg, 4.9 ypp, 23.0 ppg

clearly Wisconsin had a much better defense than Ohio State... those numbers are ridiculously in favor of the teams from the West.
not to mention the fact that Iowa created 19 turnovers to Michigan's 6
Ohio State only created 10 turnovers.

I mean... I don't understand your comment.... everything you are saying is in favor of what I have been saying..... but then at the end you make the ridiculously overused accusation that I'm a troll?

is it all the stress in your life that causes you lash out like this?
I'm just here to have fun, man.

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

those numbers are skewed by the non conference games of each team....
non conference games are barely any different than PRE SEASON games in the NFL.
non con games barely matter at all.

let's look at the Big Ten Conference games only stats for each of these teams.


Iowa defense: 350.1 ypg, 5.0 ypp, 19.1 ppg
Wisconsin defense: 254.5 ypg, 4.2 ypp, 14.9 ppg

Michigan defense: 320.1 ypg, 4.2 ypp, 21.0 ppg
Northwestern defense: 332.8 ypg, 4.6 ypp, 20.0 ppg

OSU defense: 328.6 ypg, 4.8 ypp, 14.9 ppg
PSU defense: 345.6 ypg, 4.9 ypp, 23.0 ppg

clearly Wisconsin had a much better defense than Ohio State... those numbers are ridiculously in favor of the teams from the West.
not to mention the fact that Iowa created 19 turnovers to Michigan's 6
Ohio State only created 10 turnovers.

I mean... I don't understand your comment.... everything you are saying is in favor of what I have been saying..... but then at the end you make the ridiculously overused accusation that I'm a troll?

is it all the stress in your life that causes you lash out like this?
I'm just here to have fun, man.

If the non conference games don't matter why would a team play their starters the entire game and risk injury? You are literally the only fool that thinks non conference games don't matter

 

[spbc7]

those numbers are skewed by the non conference games of each team....
non conference games are barely any different than PRE SEASON games in the NFL.
non con games barely matter at all.

let's look at the Big Ten Conference games only stats for each of these teams.


Iowa defense: 350.1 ypg, 5.0 ypp, 19.1 ppg
Wisconsin defense: 254.5 ypg, 4.2 ypp, 14.9 ppg

Michigan defense: 320.1 ypg, 4.2 ypp, 21.0 ppg
Northwestern defense: 332.8 ypg, 4.6 ypp, 20.0 ppg

OSU defense: 328.6 ypg, 4.8 ypp, 14.9 ppg
PSU defense: 345.6 ypg, 4.9 ypp, 23.0 ppg

clearly Wisconsin had a much better defense than Ohio State... those numbers are ridiculously in favor of the teams from the West.
not to mention the fact that Iowa created 19 turnovers to Michigan's 6
Ohio State only created 10 turnovers.

I mean... I don't understand your comment.... everything you are saying is in favor of what I have been saying..... but then at the end you make the ridiculously overused accusation that I'm a troll?

is it all the stress in your life that causes you lash out like this?
I'm just here to have fun, man.

So you agreed that Iowa wasn't the best defense and it was actually Wisconsin? That's not like you.

We're both smart enough to know those numbers don't support your theory because you're not factoring in offense. Prove to me that the West was superior to the East offensively too.

(This should be good)

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

yah... well... the deciding factor is wins... Iowa won 8.. Michigan won 6....

and let's face it.... Michigan would not have even won 6 games if it weren't for them having Iowa's quarterback.

come on... tell the truth.... they won 6 because of Jake Rudock (former Iowa Hawkeye).

maybe they go 3-5 without him... I'll give you that much.... but come on... tell the truth.
Michigan hasn't been good in a long time.... they get a kid from Iowa... and then they have a good season.

tell the truth.... Michigan is a media sensation.... just like in years past... its just a matter of time before that cookie crumbles.

The deciding factor for who's defense is better is wins???? Really?!?!?! Because I know Oregan and some Big 12 schools that won a bunch of games all while giving up 40+ points a game.
As many has pointed out, you certainly could make a valid claim for Iowa D > Michigan D. But when you say it isn't even close and then incorporate JR into your argument as to why that is the case......well my friend you just sound like a fool

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

@fifteenandoh

If the non conference games don't matter why would a team play their starters the entire game and risk injury? You are literally the only fool that thinks non conference games don't matter

So you agreed that Iowa wasn't the best defense and it was actually Wisconsin? That's not like you.

We're both smart enough to know those numbers don't support your theory because you're not factoring in offense. Prove to me that the West was superior to the East offensively too.

(This should be good)

The deciding factor for who's defense is better is wins???? Really?!?!?! Because I know Oregan and some Big 12 schools that won a bunch of games all while giving up 40+ points a game.
As many has pointed out, you certainly could make a valid claim for Iowa D > Michigan D. But when you say it isn't even close and then incorporate JR into your argument as to why that is the case......well my friend you just sound like a fool

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

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^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[spoke8]

Iowa created 17 turnovers to Michigan's 6

Iowa was much better... and those numbers prove beyond a reasonable doubt that....
its not even close.

Let's throw the Bowl games into your numbers. Michigan will be loaded on D this year...and that won't be close. You are attention starved...it's not a good look.

 

[J_Heater]

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/2016/team/22

No desire to argue with this tool shed but just for the sake of it I went ahead and looked up every NCAA statistical category for defense. Outside of Turnovers, Michigan pretty much had a huge advantage. Rush Defense being the one exception and they were neck in neck in that category.

Total Defense
Michigan 4th
Iowa 22nd

3rd down % defense
Michigan 3rd
Iowa 47th

4th down % defense
Michigan 17th
Iowa - 93rd

1st down defense
Michigan 10th
Iowa 81st

Turnovers
Iowa - 10th
Michigan - 117th

Fumble Recoveries
Iowa 66th
Michigan 126th

Interceptions
Iowa - 10th
Michigan - 78th

Passing Yards allowed
Michigan - 3rd
Iowa - 60th

Rush Defense
Michigan - 16th
Iowa - 15th

Red Zone Defense
Michigan - 37th
Iowa - 44th

Scoring defense
Michigan - 6th
Iowa - 19th

Passing Efficiency Defense
Michigan - 1st
Iowa - 13th

Sacks
Michigan - 35th
Iowa - 63rd

Tackles for Loss
Michigan - 41st
Iowa - 117th

 

[fifteenandoh]

Michigan created 6 turnovers in 8 Big Ten Games.... far and away the worst of all 14 teams in the Big Ten... with the exception of Nebraska... who created 7 turnovers...

Iowa created 19 turnovers... and.. they return 8 starters from that defense...
and..... the 3 starters they lost... none of them were drafted into the NFL.

if it weren't for an excellent ball control quarterback in Jake Rudock (former Hawkeye).. Michigan's defensive numbers would not have been near as good.

that's reality folks

and keep in mind.... Iowa is going to win the West this season... nothing you say can change that from happening.

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

Michigan created 6 turnovers in 8 Big Ten Games.... far and away the worst of all 14 teams in the Big Ten... with the exception of Nebraska... who created 7 turnovers...

Iowa created 19 turnovers... and.. they return 8 starters from that defense...
and..... the 3 starters they lost... none of them were drafted into the NFL.

if it weren't for an excellent ball control quarterback in Jake Rudock (former Hawkeye).. Michigan's defensive numbers would not have been near as good.

that's reality folks

and keep in mind.... Iowa is going to win the West this season... nothing you say can change that from happening.

@fifteenandoh

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/2016/team/22

No desire to argue with this tool shed but just for the sake of it I went ahead and looked up every NCAA statistical category for defense. Outside of Turnovers, Michigan pretty much had a huge advantage. Rush Defense being the one exception and they were neck in neck in that category.

Total Defense
Michigan 4th
Iowa 22nd

3rd down % defense
Michigan 3rd
Iowa 47th

4th down % defense
Michigan 17th
Iowa - 93rd

1st down defense
Michigan 10th
Iowa 81st

Turnovers
Iowa - 10th
Michigan - 117th

Fumble Recoveries
Iowa 66th
Michigan 126th

Interceptions
Iowa - 10th
Michigan - 78th

Passing Yards allowed
Michigan - 3rd
Iowa - 60th

Rush Defense
Michigan - 16th
Iowa - 15th

Red Zone Defense
Michigan - 37th
Iowa - 44th

Scoring defense
Michigan - 6th
Iowa - 19th

Passing Efficiency Defense
Michigan - 1st
Iowa - 13th

Sacks
Michigan - 35th
Iowa - 63rd

Tackles for Loss
Michigan - 41st
Iowa - 117th

If ooc games don't matter why do starters play the entire games when they are close???

 

[fifteenandoh]

If ooc games don't matter why do starters play the entire games when they are close???

who said they don't matter?

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

who said they don't matter?

the non conference games only matter in the extreme circumstance where you have 3 or more teams tied for the division lead... and numerous tie breakers are involved....

otherwise the non con games are absolutely 100% meaningless.

but the only fair true measure are the conference games as a whole....
non con games are like preseason NFL games... they don't really matter.... except that it gives teams an opportunity to evaluate the talent.

in College... its barely any different....

I mean really..... who gives a sh*t about bowl games?

its all about winning the Division and competing for a Championship.

Dear lord. Do you do hard drugs?

 

[fifteenandoh]

the non conference games only matter in the extreme circumstance where you have 3 or more teams tied for the division lead... and numerous tie breakers are involved....

non con games are like preseason NFL games... they don't really matter.... except that it gives teams an opportunity to evaluate the talent.

in College... its barely any different....

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

the non conference games only matter in the extreme circumstance where you have 3 or more teams tied for the division lead... and numerous tie breakers are involved....

non con games are like preseason NFL games... they don't really matter.... except that it gives teams an opportunity to evaluate the talent.

in College... its barely any different....

You're as dumb as they come. It's that simple

 

[iahawkeyes17]

the non conference games only matter in the extreme circumstance where you have 3 or more teams tied for the division lead... and numerous tie breakers are involved....

non con games are like preseason NFL games... they don't really matter.... except that it gives teams an opportunity to evaluate the talent.

in College... its barely any different....

That maybe one of the dumber things I've read here in a long time. So the Oklahoma/Ohio St game won't mean anything this year or the Alabama/USC & LSU/Wisconsin games according to your logic. So if we lose to ISU, Miami (OH) or NDSU no big deal cause they are like preseason games and as you said "don't matter" minus chance to evaluate talent. Even though you are forgetting one kind of important factor that non conference games count in the REGULAR SEASON win/loss record where NFL preseason doesn't.

So non conf games they won't have any impact on rankings or shot to make the 4 game playoff. Or how about the playoff committee do you think maybe, just maybe, they take into account non conference games as well as conference games when ranking teams?

 

[fifteenandoh]

literally the first thing I said:

"the non conference games only matter in the extreme circumstance..."

you guys are tempting me to pick on you.....
but I will always try my best to treat everyone fair.

non con games do matter.... but... I preface why they matter and how much they matter...
and what I say is absolutely 100% true.

polls don't matter... at all....
the only thing that matters is winning the Conference Championship.
its the only thing.