He wasn't prosecuted because the witnesses (his family) wouldn't cooperate with the investigation, so they had no case.
Mass shooting at Club Q in Colorado Springs
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Ok on kidnapping I can see. But possession of a bomb. There is just no way he couldn't be charged with something.
I had a couple classes with him during COVID. Very nice guy based on my interactions with him. We also met up with him a number of times at his brewery. Some of the flavors were too micro for me (aka the Churro or any spicy beer) but the vast majority I've tried and are good. I was worried they wouldn't make it through COVID but clearly they came out the back end.
Definitely visit / order. Many evenings have a taco truck set up outside, great tacos. Definitely visit. https://www.atrevidabeerco.com/home
I get that brewers need to try stuff and weird concoctions do bring in customers, but I’ll leave that to Weldwerks.
It looks like he has a pretty good Mexican Lager and a smooth Pilsner. I’m sure either of those fresh is very good.
I knew I would like the guy when I saw he has a Selena tribute beer called, ‘Anything for Galenas’.
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Nope, not necessarily. Because it has already been written up, Ill defer to the work already done. This is FL, but still applies.
Is There a Difference Between Intent and Motive? - David A Webster
Although motive and intent are often used interchangeably, they are distinct concepts in criminal law. Motive deals with an individual’s underlying reasons for committing a crime, whereas intent is concerned with their willingness to carry out specific actions related to the offense. Definition...
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Funny you are here to "educate" everyone and most of this thread is you getting schooled on being wrong.
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My buddy used to home-brew a jalapeño beer, everyone raved about it. I couldn't stand it, definitely not my cup of tea. Same with chocolate beer. But it looks like they have expanded the beer selection since I was there last.
edit - you can smell the brewing in the back room when you walk in, it's that fresh.
And all the interviews he is wearing his brewery swag, props to him and silently advertise away! Without his intervention, 5 dead was just the start.
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Yes. To point out sexual orientation, you’d have to be reporting on something where that is relevant.
Nope, not necessarily. Because it has already been written up, Ill defer to the work already done. This is FL, but still applies.
Is There a Difference Between Intent and Motive? - David A Webster
Although motive and intent are often used interchangeably, they are distinct concepts in criminal law. Motive deals with an individual’s underlying reasons for committing a crime, whereas intent is concerned with their willingness to carry out specific actions related to the offense. Definition...
Funny you are here to "educate" everyone and most of this thread is you getting schooled on being wrong.
I think this “intent versus motive” legal distinction is the first time in this thread I have been wrong, and on a very technical point. I think everything else has been a matter of opinion, no?
I went through their Instagram last night. He’s living the dream. Served his country, started a small business with his wife, his daughter is clearly working hard to join them, and they’re very involved in their community. He even has a sweet El Camino.
I hope his business takes off.
I'm not a micro beer lover, but they have some nice swag. These two t-shirts have a good message as well.
I'm not a micro beer lover, but they have some nice swag. These two t-shirts have a good message as well.
The "Diversity - It's on Tap" slogan is the only thing they have hanging out front of the Brewery.
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Thats a little creepy internet stalker-is, but... maybe you get a pass.
100% agree I hope this helps kick their business to the next level. Didn't know about the El Camino, as an ex-owner of one, even more reason to like him! Technically mine was as GMC Caballero but no pics, it was pre FB.
Well Colorado has red flag laws. Where LEO's can invoke against what they deem as a dangerous person. It would have raised the shooters profile with law enforcement. For various reasons the 2019 incident nobody did.
Guess the other takeaway to this, to stop active shooters, we don't need a guy with a gun, we need a guy (or girl) with a spine to do something. If only politicians has a spine, they could do something as well.
I've told my family if we are ever in this situation, I will get them safe, and then go after the shooter.
I hope I never face this, but hope I do as I say I will do if I do.
("Never underestimate the power of a small group of people to change the world...In fact, it is the only thing that ever has" - Margaret Mead)
Yep, it's easy to think and say, MUCH harder to actually commit to the life or death action.
bought those last night from their site.I'm not a micro beer lover, but they have some nice swag. These two t-shirts have a good message as well.
Yeah, the smart ones are the ones that assume motive/intent without evidence.
Right, grandpa who wears orange man hat is clearly evidence of shooters intent.
Man, there should be a term for evidence that isn't direct evidence...
HORT, needs a Bender laughing gif response. Just for matkfromj posts.
Yes. Reporting the bar as LGBTQ before there was any evidence that that was relevant to the perp’s motive or intent was wrong and unhelpful to LGBTQ acceptance.
Are you trying to play stupid or not? You can’t actually be this dumb? He literally went to a gay bar to murder people that were gay/lesbian/tran. Why be a bigot?
But being a sports fan is not an immutable characteristic. It’s a choice, a behavior. And not one that is core to a person’s being.
Being LGBTQ is core to a person. It is who they are, not just what they are. They can’t not be that. So, it is important that we as a society (e,g. Reporters) not segment them out of the entirety of the population (unless it is relevant to the story) (which it wasn’t known to be at first reporting).
Yes. We know this now. But the first reporters (e.g. WSJ yesterday) did not know this (WSJ even explicitly said “no motive known”), yet referenced LGBTQ (WSJ in headline).
Again, if you only knew how funny calling me an LGBTQ bigot was.
If that is directed to me, you are very confused.
Not a bigot. He's weird that's all. OCD. Some folks need stuff a certain way.
Well we'd know if you'd stop making suggestive comments and just told us you twat.
Being a bigot isn’t funny and you should probably check yourself in the mirror. The DUDE went into a place that has primary LGBTQ people in it and you don’t think it wasn’t a targeted attack? That is bigoted and stupid and god damn embarrassing that you are trying to say it’s not. Have fun at your klan meeting tonight there Christian…
What’s funny about this is the analogizing to sports. And sports presents a really good analogy that his twatness is missing. There are bars around the country super-well-known as “Iowa” bars — especially on fall Saturdays. Should politicians and political media personalities decide to flame shitty anti-Iowa-football-fan rhetoric for a decade or forever, and then, you know, some Saturday during an Iowa football game someone comes in a-shooting, it would be entirely fair to immediately wonder if the bar’s being well-know in the community as an “Iowa bar” is endemic to the story.
I’ve hesitate due to confidentiality and the persecution that an LGBTQ person can face, but I will go as far as saying a very close family member of mine is a trans female. I love and respect and support her no less than I did before she transitioned. Interestingly, I think I love and respect and support her no more than before she transitioned, because the LGBTQ community has always had my full support, going back to my gay college roommate first year and my gay first boss in 1981 (when it was much less tolerated).
No, when I first heard of the attack, and the type of club, I thought it was likely an attack targeted at the LGBTQ community. We now know it was.
But, the reporters (e.g. WSJ) didn’t know it at their first reports, yet cited the LGBTQ factor. They are not supposed to guess at motive.
I’m an atheist, so try again on the last sentence.
