Angel is a brutal ref, so what does that say about NCAA wrestling refs?
Mich/PSU
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I don’t get this logic. Why would Iowa want psu transfers if they can’t beat the psu starter? How does Iowa get any better using psu castoffs through the portal
There is a hell of a log jam building at psu. The better strategy would be to use that lag jam as a recruiting tool and snag highly rated hammers that don’t want to wait three years to wrestle collegiately.
So in the first paragraph they are/were at PSU behind someone better. And in the second paragraph, they aren’t yet at PSU because they would be behind somebody better? Is the difference worth discussing?
And as a team, it’s possible that a 2nd team guy from another school (PSU) still makes you better at that weight. Who’s to say you didn’t have home-grown guys at other weights that can outscore their PSU counterparts to more than offset the deficit at the transfer weight? Better is better.
I hear what you are saying. They will not always make the best choice! They will also have a top prospect maybe sitting behind a starter who has already had time to develop. Also, filling certain weights with an AA could add to other HAMMERS that you already have.
I currently see it as a 2 horse race. Maybe you add a few other teams but I do not see them making moves necessary to over take F*** st. It appears that to WIN we will need TEN legit guys meaning AA types with 1/2 of those being Champion threats.
A quick look at what we could possible have next year. ayala, Franek, Candy, Arnold, Brands, AJ, BIG Ben. Not to leave others out but PK, Triple V, other Ferraris, and you have the foundation to make a run.
Can Ayala get it done, will Brands return, is he a legit 184? Will AJ ever make it, Will BIG ben ever have the time to help us? How does IOWA get it done? Pulling in TOP prospects from the portal to fill spots seems to be a path.
Not sure any room could have turned him into an "elite" wrestler. I absolutely love PK, but don't think his style/athleticism is sufficient to take him to elite level in today's wrestling landscape, much like Marinelli. Really good, fun to watch, yes. Elite, not likely....though again, I'm still a big PK fan.
I think what he is saying is we don't want PSU scraps. Recruit guys who can beat the PSU starter that is left if the rest transfer, which absolutely makes sense.
The NCAA's policy for the selection of wrestling officals is certainly credible, and for that matter, pragmatic. For several years Rivera has graded (evaluation) quite high by match officials, coaches and peers.
Plausible logic seems compelling; Rivera would not be assigned key matches/tournaments if not for the current evaluation process. Suggesting a more viable policy?
It’s a matter of known versus unknown. If a wrestler leaves psu via the portal we could assume he’s leaving because he doesn’t see himself cracking the line up in a time frame that’s acceptable to him. Aka, that guy isn’t as good as the psu starter he’s sitting behind.
If Iowa is ever going to catch Penn st it will be when they have guys that can beat their wrestlers head to head. A high level recruit offers more potential future success than a transfer from a program Iowa is attempting to overtake.
The transfer portal is a useful bandaid but you can’t put a bandaid on a bullet hole. Weak recruiting is the bullet, to wrap up this analogy.
But taking other teams backups can improve your team strength and increase your point totals come NCAAs. For example, last year Ayala couldn’t beat Lee. If he had transferred to PSU, he would definitely have improved the team, even if he couldn’t beat Lee in a dual or in the tournament. The guy second behind the #1 guy can definitely help most teams.
Some of these refs need to learn nobody is there to watch them and hes on that list
The analogy doesn’t work that way. What I’m trying to say, and damn you for making me say this, is if psu had Spencer Lee and Ayala, drake transferring to Iowa wouldn’t have helped Iowa overtake psu. Wins head to head against the team you are attempting to catch should be the goal.
Yes transfers can help improve a team but taking a transfer, specifically from psu, and doing that consistently is not a viable way for Iowa or any team overtake psu.
Beard is a great example for this argument. Beard scored 3 team points at NCAAs last year. Make up your own mind whether that helps Iowa beat Penn State.
(And I hope he takes 2nd this year.)
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AGAIN, I understand what you are saying, but you are assuming that guys can change levels with BETTER COACHING which IOWA certainly has!!!
The great krailure over at happy F*** valley state, has a simple formula for success. This is NOT debatable as much as any nitwit bandwagon fan wants to pretend it is. Now I am not saying he has not done some good things. The simple fact is, he took FatMoneyMans slush fund and simple out recruited every other team by 5-1 or more!!!
So yes he gets to pick and choose as you can see very clearly if you just look. I have Beard, but now i can get butterDean. I had HighFructoseCornSyrupe, now I got MesAsmit. fact is though, Beard beat ButterDean head to head! Had the dummy come to IOWA, he most likely would be a NC!!!
They will have a bunch of high end wrestlers trying to get a spot. Great problem to have until it isn't!!!! Someone could win a spot in a wrestle off, but it could very well be a back and forth battle. Look at us at 149 this year! I still see Triple V as the man and he took 3rd at SS.
I mean look at the dummy who bumped up to wrestle 174 against Michigan, what is that kid doing!?!?!?!
The formula I pointed out does not rely on any one way to build a team to take them out. I believe we have to bring in our own HAMMERS!!! This year we have TWOOOOO on the list. F*** st has NINE!!!! Many wrestlers in my opinion will be looking to move on as the great Krailures BS promises go to shEEEt!!!
When that happens, picking them up and having them beat the team that they left, WHAT could be better!!!
That dummy is a three time Academic All-Big Ten and was a Big Ten Distinguished Scholar last year as a Biomedical Engineering major. A major that Iowa also offers, so perhaps you should be asking the brothers Brands.
I don't see that bullet wound healing. Too many seasons have gone by have any hope, IMO. Larrys binder was the last time I believed it could change. It hasn't. And it won't.
I refer to "the dummy" in positive way! Kid should get outa dodge and get in a starting line-up!
You also seem to be ignoring the fact that for all of his grit and moxie, Terrell is 3-11 against ranked opponents for his career. I love the guy, but I don’t see how being a starter would suddenly change his ceiling.
He also beat Tyler Berger, Yahya Thomas, and Joey Lavallee at senior nationals, all of whom were AAs (and top 3 finishers) in college. He's been at a different level this year. I suspect he'll be in the portal for next year and should have a long line of suitors (I doubt Iowa will be one, though, with Caliendo, PK, Gabe, and Angelo all around the same weight).
Yes, Cael is a failure because he has too many elite guys. Solid logic. This is why we love you.
