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Minneapolis PD Kill Black Man (not the subject of the warrant) during No Knock Search Warrant in Connection w/ a St Paul Homicide Investigation
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The use of these unannounced raids, which allow police to enter a property without announcing their presence beforehand, have been banned in cities across the country after they resulted in the deaths of innocent civilians. Minneapolis restricted the practice in 2020, but it is still occasionally used in certain cases.
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If someone comes barging into my house screaming at 7 a.m. in the morning and I have a weapon handy, you bet your ass I'm picking it up. As should be the right of ANY AMERICAN.
Zero justification for shooting a man inside his or an acquaintance's abode if they are defending themselves from intruders.
Just stating "shots were fired" in the police report without specifying which side(s) actually fired shots is questionable especially since the other party can no longer offer up their side of the story.
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Why does it matter? At all. Seriously.
Napping is not a death sentence worthy crime where I come from.
Well they did yell police when entering.
I agree but both sides talk out of both side of their mouth.
Democrats will be the first to decry castle doctrine/stand your ground laws but will want to use that in this case because it is the rule of law.
Republicans will support the no knock warrant and no like that the man reached for his weapon. But they will readily support stand your ground/castle doctrine because it's the rule of law....
Which way do we want it???
And, they referred to the man they shot as the 'suspect' when he was not part of the warrant, and an innocent person who had broken no laws when he was killed.
In these situations both parties have a right to defend themselves and both parties are making decisions in fractions of seconds and both have very valid reason to be fearful in these situations.
The problem is the system that puts both sides into these horrible situations.
I agree with a poster above... we spend too much time holding the police accountable but not the people who request and issue these no-knock warrants.
The problem is the system that puts both sides into these horrible situations.
I agree with a poster above... we spend too much time holding the police accountable but not the people who request and issue these no-knock warrants.
Not sure how they entered the wrong apartment however the bigger question here is who sleeps with a gun resting in their lap? This is something that needs to be looked into.
In the video they are yelling that they are police as they are opening the door. Whether or not he believed them might be a different story.
Anyone that can legally own a gun and wants to rest it in their lap.
Do you believe in the 2nd amendment or not?
I have a “no watching videos where people die” policy. How long after that announcement is the dude shot?
As Hoosier said... if I’m sleeping, I’m not processing much for a good number of seconds.
Additionally, who is to say someone that was say trying to rob you wouldn't come in yelling that?
Exactly. I don’t believe that’s a hypothetical, either.
Hey OP
If the dead guy happened to be white would the OP have put
If the dead guy happened to be white would the OP have put
Minneapolis PD Kill White Man
in the thread title?
Seconds. They unlock the door, come in yelling, they guy is covered with a blanket and he wakes up (probably very confused and scared), and as he sits up, they shoot him several times.
Probably before he even realized what was happening.
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Most of the criticism I've seen of Stand Your Ground is based on extending it BEYOND the domicile. I haven't heard many, if any, Democrats say a person INSIDE THEIR HOME has no right to defend themselves.
If the police think that bursting into someone's house and screaming won't get them shot at in this time of "castle doctrine" where people are actively encouraged to arm themselves and protect their homes, I don't know what to tell them. If all they have to do is scream "POLICE!!! WARRANT!!!" to get the people inside to drop their weapons and get on the floor...well...you just gave criminals a great plan for their next home invasion.
So...of course...the issue is a no-knock warrant. Absent THAT, your second scenario doesn't occur.
My take is no knock search warrants have to go away.
In this instance...put everybody, cops included, in a bad situation.
Guy obviously didn't deserve to die but he did have a gun in his hand....I agree with @Hoosierhawkeye in that a person woken up suddenly like that isn't going to have a grasp on the situation and "obey commands" in that state.
The cops have no idea he just woke up and just see a guy with a gun in his hand.
2 cops were just shot dead in New York a couple weeks ago which probably is on the cops minds in that situation.
In conclusion...do away with no knock warrants. This probably doesn't happen without one. His family probably gets a good settlement but the cops aren't going to jail...might be charged.
In this instance...put everybody, cops included, in a bad situation.
Guy obviously didn't deserve to die but he did have a gun in his hand....I agree with @Hoosierhawkeye in that a person woken up suddenly like that isn't going to have a grasp on the situation and "obey commands" in that state.
The cops have no idea he just woke up and just see a guy with a gun in his hand.
2 cops were just shot dead in New York a couple weeks ago which probably is on the cops minds in that situation.
In conclusion...do away with no knock warrants. This probably doesn't happen without one. His family probably gets a good settlement but the cops aren't going to jail...might be charged.
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Why?
I can sleep with a chihuaha a gun a toaster or a bowl of oatmeal on my lap in my own home and it's none of your goddamn business and certainly not that of the police.
No it’s not. Please note that I have not come down on either side in this situation. Just really wondering out loud, actually.
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Yup, I got that. I still think it's really a pretty irrelevant question here though.
Conservatives: We have the right to own as many guns as we want.
Conservatives: You'll take our guns out of our cold dead hands!!!
Also conservatives: Black dude? Why was he living in a shitty ghetto ass place? Why'd he have a gun? Why didn't he just comply when the broke in while he was sleeping? His own damned fault.
Conservatives: You'll take our guns out of our cold dead hands!!!
Also conservatives: Black dude? Why was he living in a shitty ghetto ass place? Why'd he have a gun? Why didn't he just comply when the broke in while he was sleeping? His own damned fault.
In this situation it will become a point of contention for the police and part of their business. I don't doubt for one minute you sleep with a chihuahua on your lap. That's your speed.
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Sometimes it's a chiuahua. Usually it's your mom's posterior. But you are right, she enjoys the speed.In this situation it will become a point of contention for the police and part of their business. I don't doubt for one minute you sleep with a chihuahua on your lap. That's your speed.
PSA
Turkeyscratch is Franisdamans's alt....
Turkeyscratch is Franisdamans's alt....
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No knock warrants simply aren’t worth the added risk that they place on all parties when they’re executed. Especially during the night. It’s better to lose evidence in a case than to have someone die when it’s unnecessary or preventable, be that either a civilian or a police officer. These warrants need to be banned nationwide and I hope they finally are following this tragedy.
Did you notice that dumbass deleted his post?
He's been an idiot on the wrestling forum as well.
Probably an old white guy living in Chanhassan.
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It's not on page one, and I'm guessing he either sobered up or realized how stupid he looks and just deleted it himself.
HROT isn't regulated very closely, imo.
You do realize that nobody would have been killed had the man not shot at the law enforcement officers.
You do realize the man did not fire a shot.
Pointing a gun at the police is the same as pulling the trigger.
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Dammit, how did I not pick up on the obvious fact this is dummyfrandaman before?
This is a perfect example of his inability to form coherent thoughts.
Mad at myself.
So if a cop pulls a gun on someone who turns out to be innocent they should be charged with what? Attempted murder?
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