Minneapolis PD Kill Black Man (not the subject of the warrant) during No Knock Search Warrant in Connection w/ a St Paul Homicide Investigation

[gohawks50]

I live in a pretty shitty city. Crime is up all over the place. I'm not pretending anything. Criminals suck and they will come up with all sorts of different ways to ruin your life. This is why I have cameras set up all over the place. The scenarios being posed are absolutely ridiculous. If 10 guys impersonating cops come and break down your door, your dead. I don't care how well armed you are. It's pretty easy to tell a couple of yahoos impersonating cops trying to break into your home. If police enact a no knock search warrant in my neighborhood I have all the faith in their process that they will get the right address.

These fake cops forced their way into an apartment to "arrest" a man in front of his wife and kids. This happened less that a month ago:

Three men who allegedly posed as fake cops in the Bronx are in custody, after police said they attempted to kidnap and rob a man believed to be dealing drugs out of his apartment.

“Nothing surprises me in New York anymore,” one East Tremont resident told CBS2’s Natalie Duddridge on Wednesday.

Officers were called to an apartment at 740 East 178th St. for a robbery at 5:30 a.m. on Tuesday.

“When I came out the building, I noticed there was tons of cops,” one person said.

Staff at the building saw something suspicious on the surveillance camera — men that looked like police hiding on one of the floors. However, they noticed their uniforms had fake badges that said “Security Enforcement Officer” and “Crime Prevention Officer,” so they called 911.

The NYPD said they forced their way into an apartment, where they handcuffed a 36-year-old man at gunpoint while his wife and kids were home and asked where the drugs were.

When the real police arrived they saw three men dressed as fake cops come out of the elevator with another man in handcuffs.

As soon as officers questioned them, all four took off, including the guy in cuffs.

“I just heard a big commotion and … three guys were running up this way. The cops had the guy with the dreads leaning against the car. He was asking, ‘Why would you do that? Why are you impersonating us?'” the witness said.

Officers quickly arrested three of the men and then an hour later apprehended the fourth.

A search of their bags, car, and an apartment turned up at least three kilos of cocaine, $160,000 cash, and four guns, including one that was fake.

“That is crazy and that makes me scared because then anyone can get in the building,” one person said.

“If any police come and you see them in uniform, you can’t challenge them,” Kwabena Amakye said.

On Wednesday morning, the three alleged phony cops, all from Connecticut, were loaded into a police van at the 48th Precinct. They’re all facing weapons and drug charges.

Stunned Residents Look On As NYPD Takes Down 3 Suspected Police Impersonators In Bronx

Three men who allegedly posed as fake cops in the Bronx are in custody, after police said they attempted to kidnap and rob a man believed to be dealing drugs out of his apartment.

newyork.cbslocal.com

 

[red/green hawk]

These fake cops forced their way into an apartment to "arrest" a man in front of his wife and kids. This happened less that a month ago:

Three men who allegedly posed as fake cops in the Bronx are in custody, after police said they attempted to kidnap and rob a man believed to be dealing drugs out of his apartment.

“Nothing surprises me in New York anymore,” one East Tremont resident told CBS2’s Natalie Duddridge on Wednesday.

Officers were called to an apartment at 740 East 178th St. for a robbery at 5:30 a.m. on Tuesday.

“When I came out the building, I noticed there was tons of cops,” one person said.

Staff at the building saw something suspicious on the surveillance camera — men that looked like police hiding on one of the floors. However, they noticed their uniforms had fake badges that said “Security Enforcement Officer” and “Crime Prevention Officer,” so they called 911.

The NYPD said they forced their way into an apartment, where they handcuffed a 36-year-old man at gunpoint while his wife and kids were home and asked where the drugs were.

When the real police arrived they saw three men dressed as fake cops come out of the elevator with another man in handcuffs.

As soon as officers questioned them, all four took off, including the guy in cuffs.

“I just heard a big commotion and … three guys were running up this way. The cops had the guy with the dreads leaning against the car. He was asking, ‘Why would you do that? Why are you impersonating us?'” the witness said.

Officers quickly arrested three of the men and then an hour later apprehended the fourth.

A search of their bags, car, and an apartment turned up at least three kilos of cocaine, $160,000 cash, and four guns, including one that was fake.

“That is crazy and that makes me scared because then anyone can get in the building,” one person said.

“If any police come and you see them in uniform, you can’t challenge them,” Kwabena Amakye said.

On Wednesday morning, the three alleged phony cops, all from Connecticut, were loaded into a police van at the 48th Precinct. They’re all facing weapons and drug charges.

Stunned Residents Look On As NYPD Takes Down 3 Suspected Police Impersonators In Bronx

Three men who allegedly posed as fake cops in the Bronx are in custody, after police said they attempted to kidnap and rob a man believed to be dealing drugs out of his apartment.

newyork.cbslocal.com

Looks like they were trying to get the guy's drugs. I'm not dealing drugs out of my home. Moral of the story is, don't deal drugs and you won't have 3 dbags pretending to be cops try to steal them.

 

[gohawks50]

Looks like they were trying to get the guy's drugs. I'm not dealing drugs out of my home. Moral of the story is, don't deal drugs and you won't have 3 dbags pretending to be cops try to steal them.

You intentionally ignored the point.

 

[MitchLL]

You're assuming police burst into someone's home all the time...they don't. I can't speak for Kee or Northern but the police have no reason to break into my house unannounced.

They do break into the wrong residences from time to time, tho.

 

[red/green hawk]

You intentionally ignored the point.

No I didn't. You linked to a story where 3 guys impersonated cops so they could "arrest" a guy who was dealing drugs so they could take his drugs and his money. The story is actually funny. The guy who they cuffed ran away too when the real cops showed up because HE WAS BREAKING THE LAW TOO. If these jokers showed up to my door I would be calling the real police. Your point doesn't apply to 99.99999% of responsible, law abiding citizens.

 

[red/green hawk]

They do break into the wrong residences from time to time, tho.

The was not the case in the story of the OP. They had a warrant for 3 different apartments in that flat. According to accounts that apartment was one of the units. They didn't get the wrong place.

 

[Franisdaman]

And how, exactly, do you know that? It doesn't appear they had any reason to break into that particular house since whoever they were looking for wasn't there. It's absolutely certain the young man on the couch had as little reason to expect it as you claim to possess. There are many instances of police getting an address wrong or kicking a door based on bad tips. You could be next. So answer the question...would YOU disarm because strangers in your home are screaming at you?

It does not appear the police/SWAT had any reason to enter the apartment? Seriously? This was related to a feakin' murder investigation and search warrants are not handed out like lollipops.

And @Hawkman98 explained this already. Search warrants are executed all the time, even if the suspect is not there; maybe he can further explain this so that you can understand.

It's amazing how you and others are so ignorant and are only left with stupid, hypothetical questions.

 

[Franisdaman]

That's because NH is a f'n moran.

They announced AFTER breaking in. So...they broke in unannounced and then started screaming. Just as I said.

Ironic that you are calling anyone a moron in this thread. You are wrong and displaying pure ignorance on so many points.

And as I have explained SEVERAL TIMES, judges can sign warrants in high-risk situations that allow “unannounced entry,” generally by SWAT teams. In this case, the police immediately announced who they were and why they were there once the door was opened They REPEATED over and over who they were and why they were there.

And again, according to the ABC News story, it's important to note that there are important and necessary reasons for police to have no knock search warrants as an option — including the possibility that they are going into a dangerous situation, or that evidence may be destroyed if an announced entry gives a person time to do so. Authorities haven't disclosed what intelligence the officers had before they went in.

The state of MN still only allows no knock search warrants when certain conditions are met. The judge obviously thought the conditions were met.

This is all discussed here. Why do you refuse to educate yourself????

EXPLAINER: Amir Locke case shines light on no-knock warrants

The death of a Black man at the hands of a Minneapolis police SWAT team is shining new light on how police carry out no-knock warrants

abcnews.go.com

 

[Franisdaman]

That's because NH is a f'n moran.

They announced AFTER breaking in. So...they broke in unannounced and then started screaming. Just as I said.

Be honest please. They announced as they were entering. Can't have meaningful discussion if you can't be honest.

Tarheel is just going around in circles. He's clearly not being honest. It was a no knock search warrant for crying out loud. They used a key to open the door (because it was a NO KNOCK) and then immediately shouted OVER AND OVER who they were and why they were there. And how did they get that key? Via a valid search warrant, of course.

They didn't "break in," as Tarheel wrote. They didn't start screaming random stuff, as Tarheel suggests. In reality, they legally entered the premises (via the warrant) and immediately announced who they were and why they were there.

 

[lucas80]

They are going to have to ban these type of warrants.
Also, wonder why the dude is just chillin on the coach with a handgun

Why do you think he was?
Next question, he had the gun legally and was asleep on a couch. What does it matter if he had a handgun near him?

 

[lucas80]

I can count on one hand how many no knock search warrants I've been on. You have to give reasoning when you apply for the search warrant and the ones I've been on is because of known weapons in the house and the possibility of someone using them. Now in other states or bigger cities maybe they're more common, but not around my parts.

The usefulness and dangers of no knock warrants tragically keep coming up after cases like this one. After the killing of Brianna Taylor they came up. Anecdotally there seems to be an over reliance on them, and a over willingness of judges to sign off on them. They seem to defer too often to the applicants. I firmly believe that just about everyone in our criminal justice system is overworked right now. If a judge is dealing with someone they've had a good working relationship with I can see them not examining everything too closely, and deferring with a quick sign off.
From what I have read the details of the warrant are not being disclosed until an investigation is complete. I get that, but I hope in the end they are transparent.

 

[Franisdaman]

Well most believe the Minnesota man had no right to be concerned about cops barging into the apartment.

its been reported that Amir was a relative of the person renting the apartment.

Most believe he had no right to be concerned about cops showing up? We cannot speculate on this because we don't know (1) what Amir knew or didn't know about the murder that happened in St Paul; (2) whether he knew this relative in this apartment was connected to it; and (3) whether he was concerned that police were closing in on this relative as a result.

 

[lucas80]

its been reported that Amir was a relative of the person renting the apartment.

Most believe he had no right to be concerned about cops showing up? We cannot speculate on this because we don't know (1) what Amir knew or didn't know about the murder that happened in St Paul; (2) whether he knew this relative in this apartment was connected to it; and (3) whether he was concerned that police were closing in on this relative as a result.

Despite your warning about speculating you just did a whole lot of speculating.
Kudos. You've done yeoman's work crafting and then manipulating this thread. Some of your best work.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

That's because NH is a f'n moran.

They announced AFTER breaking in. So...they broke in unannounced and then started screaming. Just as I said.

That’s a no knock warrant.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

Why do you think he was?
Next question, he had the gun legally and was asleep on a couch. What does it matter if he had a handgun near him?

You leftists constantly mock and ridicule conservatives for their need of guns, and being in love with and obsessed with guns. And now suddenly you want to dismiss the question of "why the dude is just chillin on the coach with a handgun".

Just be consistent.

 

[Franisdaman]

I don't often agree with Ben Crump, but the other day when I heard him on the radio saying that the Mpls PD will continue to have these massive screw ups until it starts treating black families like it does white families, I had to nod my head. There was absolutely no reason for this to be a no knock entry. That's what cost this poor kid his life, imo.

The problem with this "reasoning" is that a man (who was Black) was murdered in St Paul and a Black man was the suspect. Black on black crime is a big problem in Minneapolis / St Paul; that's a fact that people don't like to talk about.

And this case has nothing to do about "treating black families like white families;" this case is not about race; it is about solving a murder and getting the criminal or criminals off the streets.

Now, make no mistake. The no knock warrant that has been used to solve violent crime is probably going away in Minneapolis because of what just happened. St Paul has not allowed no knock warrants for several years now.

 

[dandh]

The problem with this "reasoning" is that a man (who was Black) was murdered in St Paul and a Black man was the suspect. Black on black crime is a big problem in Minneapolis / St Paul; that's a fact that people don't like to talk about.

And this case has nothing to do about "treating black families like white families;" this case is not about race; it is about solving a murder and getting the criminal or criminals off the streets.

Now, make no mistake. The no knock warrant that has been used to solve violent crime is probably going away in Minneapolis because of what just happened. St Paul has not allowed no knock warrants for several years now.

He was talking about when and how to use no-knock warrants, noting these are almost never used when the people being searched are white.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

He was talking about when and how to use no-knock warrants, noting these are almost never used when the people being searched are white.

How could he possibly know that?

 

[Franisdaman]

Despite your warning about speculating you just did a whole lot of speculating.
Kudos. You've done yeoman's work crafting and then manipulating this thread. Some of your best work.

Another false statement.

You and others have done yeoman's work crafting and then trying to manipulate this thread. Some of your best work. Yet, you all still failed.

 

[nextinlineatOPsmoms]

Just be consistent.

thats what we have been asking from you in this thread.
you nutbags think you need to pack heat when you go to get your footlong at Subway, but then have the audacity to question why someone has a gun while on the couch.

i’d prefer he didnt have a gun. Id prefer the amount of guns in this country be reduced significantly. Ive been playing with the rhetoric you dorks have been pushing for years.

 

[Franisdaman]

You leftists constantly mock and ridicule conservatives for their need of guns, and being in love with and obsessed with guns. And now suddenly you want to dismiss the question of "why the dude is just chillin on the coach with a handgun".

Just be consistent.

Just to be clear, you are saying there are a bunch of hypocrites posting in this thread?

Not much worse than a hypocrite.

 

[Hawkman98]

If you think killing an innocent person is the right decision than you don't get to complain about people being mean to cops on the internet.

Who's complaining? I just pointed out your incorrect comment that no one is blaming the officer(s) the shot the guy.

 

[Franisdaman]

Anecdotally there seems to be an over willingness of judges to sign off on them. If a judge is dealing with someone they've had a good working relationship with I can see them not examining everything too closely, and deferring with a quick sign off.

Lots of useless speculation, false statements and ignorance is all that you have brought to this thread.

There seems to be an over willingness of judges to sign off on no knock warrants? False. The state of MN still only allows no knock search warrants when certain conditions are met. The judge obviously thought the conditions were met.

You can see a judge not examining everything too closely, and deferring with a quick sign off? Wow. Talk about nothing more than speculation and exaggeration on your part.

No knock search warrants and how they work in MN is all discussed in this story linked below. I have posted this link several times now. Why do you continue to show nothing more than ignorance and refuse to educate yourself????

EXPLAINER: Amir Locke case shines light on no-knock warrants

The death of a Black man at the hands of a Minneapolis police SWAT team is shining new light on how police carry out no-knock warrants

abcnews.go.com

 

[Hawkman98]

It does not appear the police/SWAT had any reason to enter the apartment? Seriously? This was related to a feakin' murder investigation and search warrants are not handed out like lollipops.

And @Hawkman98 explained this already. Search warrants are executed all the time, even if the suspect is not there; maybe he can further explain this so that you can understand.

It's amazing how you and others are so ignorant and are only left with stupid, hypothetical questions.

Unfortunately the suspects don't tell us when they are home or which friends they are having over for a visit. We try to do search warrants when we believe the suspect are home, but many times they are not there. We go into the house and are still required to read the search warrant out loud and leave a copy for when they come back home if we don't find them first. As I stated earlier, we only have so long to complete the search warrant after getting it signed by a judge.

 

[Franisdaman]

He was talking about when and how to use no-knock warrants, noting these are almost never used when the people being searched are white.

Did he have stats, studies and/or sources to back up his claims?

 

[Hawkman98]

The usefulness and dangers of no knock warrants tragically keep coming up after cases like this one. After the killing of Brianna Taylor they came up. Anecdotally there seems to be an over reliance on them, and a over willingness of judges to sign off on them. They seem to defer too often to the applicants. I firmly believe that just about everyone in our criminal justice system is overworked right now. If a judge is dealing with someone they've had a good working relationship with I can see them not examining everything too closely, and deferring with a quick sign off.
From what I have read the details of the warrant are not being disclosed until an investigation is complete. I get that, but I hope in the end they are transparent.

They have to be transparent. Hell you have to release video and audio immediately so the public can use their "wisdom" to tell trained and experienced officers how they did their job wrong. Talk about influcing a jury. I'm not sure how anyone has a fair trial when cases like this get played out in the media, social platforms and in conversations. I know no knock search warrants have come up, but out of probably hundreds a day throughout the USA, you hear of very few issues.

 

[Franisdaman]

They have to be transparent. Hell you have to release video and audio immediately so the public can use their "wisdom" to tell trained and experienced officers how they did their job wrong. Talk about influcing a jury. I'm not sure how anyone has a fair trial when cases like this get played out in the media, social platforms and in conversations. I know no knock search warrants have come up, but out of probably hundreds a day throughout the USA, you hear of very few issues.

There are hundreds of no knock search warrants issued per day throughout the USA? Just asking, because I don't know.

And speaking of real data (or not), @dandh wrote a few posts above that Ben Crump was talking about when and how to use no-knock warrants, where he claimed that no knock warrants are almost never used when the people being searched are white.

"Almost never used?" What does that mean? And instead of taking Ben's word for it, it would be nice to see some real stats that show by race the # of no knock warrants issued vs # of regular search warrants issued.

 

[red/green hawk]

thats what we have been asking from you in this thread.
you nutbags think you need to pack heat when you go to get your footlong at Subway, but then have the audacity to question why someone has a gun while on the couch.

i’d prefer he didnt have a gun. Id prefer the amount of guns in this country be reduced significantly. Ive been playing with the rhetoric you dorks have been pushing for years.

Kinda depends on which Subway I go to, but if I thought I needed to bring a gun to go into a particular Subway I would probably choose another. As to sleeping with a gun on the couch, it would depend on where I was going to spend the night, but if I thought I needed a gun to spend the night somewhere I probably wouldn't be spending the night there.

 

[Chief Turkeyscratch]

There are hundreds of no knock search warrants issued per day throughout the USA? Just asking, because I don't know.

And speaking of real data (or not), @dandh wrote a few posts above that Ben Crump was talking about when and how to use no-knock warrants, where he claimed that no knock warrants are almost never used when the people being searched are white.

"Almost never used?" What does that mean? And instead of taking Ben's word for it, it would be nice to see some real stats that show by race the # of no knock warrants issued vs # of regular search warrants issued.

Crump is an idiot ignoramus!

 

[Hawkman98]

There are hundreds of no knock search warrants issued per day throughout the USA? Just asking, because I don't know.

And speaking of real data (or not), @dandh wrote a few posts above that Ben Crump was talking about when and how to use no-knock warrants, where he claimed that no knock warrants are almost never used when the people being searched are white.

"Almost never used?" What does that mean? And instead of taking Ben's word for it, it would be nice to see some real stats that show by race the # of no knock warrants issued vs # of regular search warrants issued.

Ya neither do I. That is a guess on my part. Thousands are probably done on a daily basis, so I would assume a small percentage of those issued are no knocks, but again a guess on my part.

Lol, I missed that one. Yes we make sure to take race into consideration before asking the judge to grant a no knock warrant People are out of their mind with what they come up.

 

[gohawks50]

its been reported that Amir was a relative of the person renting the apartment.

Most believe he had no right to be concerned about cops showing up? We cannot speculate on this because we don't know (1) what Amir knew or didn't know about the murder that happened in St Paul; (2) whether he knew this relative in this apartment was connected to it; and (3) whether he was concerned that police were closing in on this relative as a result.

And none of that is justication for his death. I don't blame the cop based on what we know currently, but can't you also agree that Amir could have been startled by the sudden entry of cops? Since he appeared to be sleeping when they entered isn't it possible he just reacted because he was groggy and didn't realize it was the police?

No knock warrants basically set up a bad scenario for both cops and potential suspects. It's a bad practice.

 

[red/green hawk]

And none of that is justication for his death. I don't blame the cop based on what we know currently, but can't you also agree that Amir could have been startled by the sudden entry of cops? Since he appeared to be sleeping when they entered isn't it possible he just reacted because he was groggy and didn't realize it was the police?

No knock warrants basically set up a bad scenario for both cops and potential suspects. It's a bad practice.

Both of those questions are based on speculation but...Yes and Yes I can agree that both of those scenarios could be why he responded in the way he did. As long as we're speculating...Can you agree to a scenario that Amir knew what type of people he was hanging out with and that he felt he was in enough danger that he needed to snuggle a gun under his blanket for protection? And that it's possible he pointed a gun at a police officer in order to shoot him?

With the evidence before us we do not have the information to answer any of these questions.

Is there ANY scenario where you think a no knock warrant is appropriate?

 

[Chief Turkeyscratch]

And none of that is justication for his death. I don't blame the cop based on what we know currently, but can't you also agree that Amir could have been startled by the sudden entry of cops? Since he appeared to be sleeping when they entered isn't it possible he just reacted because he was groggy and didn't realize it was the police?

No knock warrants basically set up a bad scenario for both cops and potential suspects. It's a bad practice.

Sleeping with a gat across your lap doesn't sound very smart or comfortable.

 

[Hawkman98]

And none of that is justication for his death. I don't blame the cop based on what we know currently, but can't you also agree that Amir could have been startled by the sudden entry of cops? Since he appeared to be sleeping when they entered isn't it possible he just reacted because he was groggy and didn't realize it was the police?

No knock warrants basically set up a bad scenario for both cops and potential suspects. It's a bad practice.

I agree with everything you said except that no knocks are a bad practice. If you had intel that the people you are going to do a search warrant on made comments about not being taken alive or that they will have no issue shooting cops, would you want to knock for a while before going in to warn them you're coming? There is a place for them and the majority of them are served without any issues.

 

[Franisdaman]

Ya neither do I. That is a guess on my part. Thousands are probably done on a daily basis, so I would assume a small percentage of those issued are no knocks, but again a guess on my part.

Lol, I missed that one. Yes we make sure to take race into consideration before asking the judge to grant a no knock warrant People are out of their mind with what they come up.

Again, thank you for your input.

I mentioned before that the Minneapolis PD is understaffed, which doesn't help with these other crime examples:

* Hy Vee used to be open 24 hours a day in the Twin Cities. Then they closed at midnight. Now they close at 11. I spoke to a manager about it and he said the biggest reason was that losses from shop lifting have sky rocketed. And, as you know, employees are not supposed to confront shop lifters and shop lifters know this. What's yours is theirs, I guess.

* And speaking of what is yours is theirs, violent car jackings are way up, too, and residents want the police to do something about it. The problem is that car jackings are so random; they have occurred in cities throughout the metro, at grocery stores, at homes as the car is warming up, even in broad day light. And now, when police identify the stolen car, they don't engage in chases, because of potential crashes that might result during a chase involving innocent people.

Too much crime, too many criminals, not enough cops.

 

[Chief Turkeyscratch]

Again, thank you for your input.

I mentioned before that the Minneapolis PD is understaffed, which doesn't help with these other crime examples:

* Hy Vee used to be open 24 hours a day in the Twin Cities. Then they closed at midnight. Now they close at 11. I spoke to a manager about it and he said the biggest reason was that losses from shop lifting have sky rocketed. And, as you know, employees are not supposed to confront shop lifters and shop lifters know this. What's yours is theirs, I guess.

* And speaking of what is yours is theirs, violent car jackings are way up, too, and residents want the police to do something about it. The problem is that car jackings are so random; they have occurred in cities throughout the metro, at grocery stores, at homes as the car is warming up, even in broad day light. And now, when police identify the stolen car, they don't engage in chases, because of potential crashes that might result during a chase involving innocent people.

Too much crime, too many criminals, not enough cops.

Not surprised at all especially in the Twin Cities.

 

[Kinnick.At.Night]

I thought about reading this thread from where I left off....but, no. It's obvious what occurred, why it occurred and who is to blame. And it's not anyone seen in the video. Yet, the shit show rages on. How nice.

 

[Franisdaman]

Not surprised at all especially in the Twin Cities.

things got really bad after the George Floyd murder. The riots over Memorial Day 2020 resulted in $600 million in losses. And violent crime has been way up ever since, as well.

 

[dandh]

Did he have stats, studies and/or sources to back up his claims?

I don't know what his basis was. I do know I can't remember the last time an innocent white person was killed by the police in a situation like this. I'd also be willing to bet the percentage of no-knock warrants is disproportionate on the basis of race.

I also would like to know why you think a no-knock warrant was needed in this case.

 

[Pinehawk]

So, in their attempt to solve the murder of one person, the police have killed another person.
And, even failed to find the suspect with their aggressive approach. That’s not good, at all.