I think they were expecting a certain race and Amir Locke was that race...
Minneapolis PD Kill Black Man (not the subject of the warrant) during No Knock Search Warrant in Connection w/ a St Paul Homicide Investigation
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So on the tenth time watching the video you notice that his finger is along side the barrel and not on the trigger. 😂. The tenth time, huh? And you are criticizing a police officer for making a decision in real time? Hmmm…. Interesting.
What difference does that make to these “arresting“ officers?
There was a time, not that long ago when the first impulses and tactics were to disable and disarm. Now it is to shoot and kill even if unarmed and nonthreatening. This is the image and character police have produced through their militant behavior.
That is the first thing I noticed. It looked like this guy had some sort of gun training and had proper trigger discipline. Everyone has to keep in mind that if someone has a gun in the general area of police and starts to raise it they will probably get shot. No cop should wait around to see if someone shoots them or not.
Had a call last night of gun shots. Find the guy and he had a handgun between his armpit and ribs being help by his arm. Luckily he listened to commands and was taken into custody without being shot. If he would have went for the gun or not complied, the outcome would have been much different.
In your experience with no knock warrants, do you think that they were needed for the situation? Can you give an example of an experience where you feel nothing less than a no knock warrant would have achieved the goal of law enforcement? How do you feel about no knock warrants in general?
Well it's hard to say because everything went as planned. We didn't get shot and were able to get into the house quickly and secure everyone, so in our eyes they work. I said in a previous post I can count on one hand how many times we asked for a no knock warrant. It's strictly used on our end for high profile cases where weapons could be used and we had intel that the suspects had the potential to use them against police. No knock warrants have a place, but under the right circumstances. Remember, they get used way more successfully then a situation like this one. If anyone doubts that, you're more than welcome to come by our next one and see it first hand. I will tell you there are high profiled suspects in the house that say they aren't going back to prison and they won't hesitate to use a firearm to make sure that doesn't happen. Then I'll ask if you want to stand around knocking or quietly enter the house and try to catch them unprepared.
I thank you for your response. I think I made you feel as if I don't support the efforts of law enforcement. That is not the case. I personally don't fault the officers in the incident referenced in this thread, it just seems like those in power often put officers and suspects in difficult circumstances. I appreciate what good law enforcement officers like you do for us everyday. Thanks for your service.
Nope, I can tell you're a supporter of law enforcement. Obviously, I am too, but I respect my profession enough to want the bad ones out. I don't think this is one of those times.
What do you do if a bad guy breaks in and shouts over and over, "Police, search warrant!"
Do you drop your gun and hope he's really a cop?
If so, seems kind of pointless to have a gun for home defense if anyone can disarm you instantly with a shout.
How many times has that happened? So something that might happen 0.0001% of the time means you can aim your gun at cops?
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How do you decide if the guy kicking in your door and shouting is really a cop and you should not be touching a firearm in 2 seconds or you'll get shot?
To my view it's putting law abiding citizens in an impossible situation.
Let's use some creativity and see if someone besides Lt. Kool-Aid can come up with a different solution to the problem. I'm not convinced the method applied was the only, or even the best, choice available in the circumstances.
The victim had no chance to survive that encounter due to the approach the police used in this case.
Which failed by the way. Both the warrant was unsuccessful, and they killed an innocent man.
And, the repercussions of that, at this point…are nothing.
Which failed by the way. Both the warrant was unsuccessful, and they killed an innocent man.
And, the repercussions of that, at this point…are nothing.
Right. 4 examples compared to tens of thousands of legitimate examples. It's a tiny tiny percentage. I'm guessing it's a cop every time and I have an EXTREMELY good chance of being right.
That said, I agree. On VERY rare occasions it does put law abiding citizens AND cops in an impossible situation. This was one of those imo.
Nobody likes seeing an innocent person killed. It's horrible. And honestly i don't know what the solution is. I do know polarizing the situation, which i am guilty of and for that I apologize, is not the solution.
Amir was armed.
He possessed a loaded gun, lifted it, and pointed it towards police officers. And you call that non threatening.
JFC, if you are going to argue, at least get something correct in your post.
do you think the police officer who fired the shots should be named in the media?
personally, i don't think so, unless criminal or civil charges are filed
You are so god damned weird.
The experts on this board think no knock warrant are only so they don’t destroy evidence. Zero understanding of the job and the people they deal with everyday.
In Law Enforcement there’s not much privacy. We know that going in, so I understand why they announce. It’s not a safe or smart thing to allow for the officer, but it is what it is.
Stop lying and saying he pointed the gun at the officers. There is no clear evidence of that in the video.
He barely realized what was happening before he was killed.
And, the cop who pulled the trigger should be named. He’s a public employee, paid with tax dollars, working for the people and it should be a matter of public record.
Calm down. I was speaking in general terms. However, in this instance they initiated force against the wrong person. So, there is no excuse.
Besides, the guy was protecting himself from someone forcibly entering the apartment. You can damn well bet if the person were white the wing nuts would be screaming self defense situation.
Yeah, every day. Obviously, they do a shitty job when multiple officers can't make an arrest without killing. At least in this case it doesn't look like they shot the guy 7 times in the back. Or suffocated him to death by kneeing on the kneck for 9 minutes.
i just find it interesting that the media does not disclose the name of a suspect until charged so why disclose the name of officer, unless he, too, is charged? "Activists" recently showed up at a judge's home prior to the Kimberly Potter trial, making demands; they probably will show up at this officer's home, too.
They had a valid, legal search warrant.
The "wrong person" pointed a gun at the officers.
And there is an "excuse" for the officers actions; @Hawkman98 has pretty much spelled that out for you.
And now all you are left with is "well, if the guy had been white...."
Incredible.
He's made statements in the past condemning the actions of police using inappropriate force.
Actions of police are justified if they have a warrant. Why all the killings of unarmed blacks? Can you justify a reason? Shot in situations where they had w\o weapons in no crime, or no active crime situations.
Fran it, is a problem. Close your eyes and mind but it is. Not in all PDs. Why so?
…and. If the guy had been white reference…! You know damn well this is true. Get off your sanctimonious horse.
This concept has frustrated me to a degree. Police are or at least should be, well compensated, highly trained, public servants. We should have high expectations for them in terms of conduct and outcomes, yet they seem to have the lowest expectations and receive the highest benefit of the doubt.
I realize the police are the good guys and the guys they are after are bad guys, so the sentiment makes sense. Yet it's not always that clear.
See a gun? Ok to shoot.
Thought you saw a gun, but it was really something else? Justified shooting.
Enemy didn't precisely follow commands? Shoot if you wish.
And on and on.
I realize policing such a heavily armed populace comes with its difficulties, so to some extent the shootings are inevitable. However, it would be nice if the focus was more on making sure everyone ended the shift alive as opposed to just the trained officer. I'm not asking an officer to place the same value on a suspect's life as they do their own, but perhaps some sort of incentive that would encourage outcomes where everyone lives as opposed to a dead suspect, or in this case non-suspect.
I wonder if the proliferation of bodycams have had any impact on officer shootings, the knowledge that their shooting could result in accountability/justice.
Try to focus on this case.
You wrote he was unarmed. Wrong. He was armed, the gun was loaded, and he pointed the gun at officers. @Hawkman98 explained why the officers responded the way they did.
You wrote that there was no active crime situation. That, too, is obviously incorrect. The warrant was part of an active murder investigation.
And now you throw in the word sanctimonious. Wrong again. There are, for sure, a lot of people in this thread sitting on their morally superior high horse, demanding that people be fired and more. I am not one of those posters.
And one of the other problems with your post is that you really should have proof read it before hitting the "post reply" button. Commas in the wrong place are rather annoying. And your where they had w/o weapons statement needed editing as well.
In Texas December 2013, Henry Magee shot and killed a police officer during a pre-dawn, no-knock drug raid on his home. He was initially charged with capital murder, but he argued that he shot the police officer, who he thought was an intruder, to protect his pregnant girlfriend. Enough marijuana was found in his home to warrant a felony charge. In February 2014, a grand jury declined to indict for shooting the officer claiming "insufficient evidence", and charges were dropped. Essentially, they agreed it was self-defense.
One hundred miles away in Texas May 2014, Marvin Guy also killed a police officer during a pre-dawn, no-knock raid on his home. He also said he was protecting his girlfriend. No drugs were found. Guy, too, was charged with capital murder. Unlike Magee's grand jury, Guy's grand jury in September 2014 allowed the capital murder charge against him to stand. Marvin Guy has been in jail since 2014...nearly eight years now...and STILL HASN'T COME TO TRIAL.
Guy, who is black, faces the death penalty. Magee is white. He served 18 months for felony possession of marijuana and was released in 2017.
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@Hawkman98,
KARE 11 (NBC affiliate) is reporting that the person living in (leasing) the apartment had threatened police before and that is why the no knock warrant was asked for and granted.
KARE 11 (NBC affiliate) is reporting that the person living in (leasing) the apartment had threatened police before and that is why the no knock warrant was asked for and granted.
So, sounds like they came in looking for revenge and got the wrong guy.
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