Just rewatched the video for the tenth time... the victim's gun is pointed towards the floor and his finger is alongside the barrel, not on the trigger.
This is excited LEO with the "shoot first/ask questions later" mindset.
Minneapolis PD Kill Black Man (not the subject of the warrant) during No Knock Search Warrant in Connection w/ a St Paul Homicide Investigation
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Just rewatched the video for the tenth time... the victim's gun is pointed towards the floor and his finger is alongside the barrel, not on the trigger.
This is excited LEO with the "shoot first/ask questions later" mindset.
Noticed that as well and wondered if anyone would catch it. The innocent man the cops killed never put his finger on the trigger, but kept his trigger discipline, despite him being disoriented and scared in those seconds.
He wasn’t looking to fire before determining what was happening, like the cops did.
I‘m not suggesting the cops would notice his finger wasn’t on the trigger.
But, it is evidence that the man who was killed, was able to display more self control in those seconds than the police were. And, I imagine this aspect will be part of the trial/settlement.
He wasn’t looking to fire before determining what was happening, like the cops did.
I‘m not suggesting the cops would notice his finger wasn’t on the trigger.
But, it is evidence that the man who was killed, was able to display more self control in those seconds than the police were. And, I imagine this aspect will be part of the trial/settlement.
I’ll bite. So if my buddy was a suspect of a murder and I was staying on his couch, and I legally had a carry license, I would do probably do exactly what this kid did. Again. Nobody, well maybe a select few idiots, are saying then no knock warrant is horrible; but the fact you think you are calm enough to have told the kid to out the gun down is hilarious. Very easy while you sign behind a computer
When is the last time that a white person being killed by police was on the news?
If they can be charged, in any way, they should be. That's what they'd do to any of us.
Before we jump to that I'd prefer that the reasons for the no-knock be thoroughly reviewed and publicly vetted. Mpls should also revisit its use of no-knock warrants. St. Paul doesn't seem to need these. Why does Mpls?
If all you did was watch media or social media you would never know this. It's pretty criminal really. It causes so much trouble and yet people don't realize they aren't getting all the information.
Crump says a lot of stuff. I would just like to see actual statistics that show regular warrants vs no knock and have it broken down by race. I have no idea if the numbers are disproportionate and I don't think it's fair to just assume they are.
I never said a no knock warrant was needed. I am just going by what's been reported. The search warrant involved a murder investigation. According to the ABC News story linked below, there are important and necessary reasons for police to have no knock search warrants as an option — including the possibility that they are going into a high risk and dangerous situation (this is a murder suspect's apartment they are entering, after all), or that evidence may be destroyed if an announced entry gives a person time to do so. Authorities haven't disclosed what intelligence the officers had before they went in.
The state of MN still only allows no knock search warrants when certain conditions are met. The judge obviously thought the conditions were met.
This is all discussed here.
EXPLAINER: Amir Locke case shines light on no-knock warrants
The death of a Black man at the hands of a Minneapolis police SWAT team is shining new light on how police carry out no-knock warrants
Did you read this part of your link?
Among Black Americans, the rate of fatal police shootings between 2015 and January 2022 stood at 38 per million of the population, while for White Americans, the rate stood at 15 fatal police shootings per million of the population.
That means Black Americans 2.5 times more likely to be shot by police than white Americans.
So they were investigating a murder and because of the no-knock approach they killed a young man sleeping on a friend's couch. But you don't need to have any reasons to support the no-knock warrants, other than it was needed per the Mpls PD?Crump says a lot of stuff. I would just like to see actual statistics that show regular warrants vs no knock and have it broken down by race. I have no idea if the numbers are disproportionate and I don't think it's fair to just assume they are.
I never said a no knock warrant was needed. I am just going by what's been reported. The search warrant involved a murder investigation. According to the ABC News story linked below, there are important and necessary reasons for police to have no knock search warrants as an option — including the possibility that they are going into a high risk and dangerous situation (this is a murder suspect's apartment they are entering, after all), or that evidence may be destroyed if an announced entry gives a person time to do so. Authorities haven't disclosed what intelligence the officers had before they went in.
The state of MN still only allows no knock search warrants when certain conditions are met. The judge obviously thought the conditions were met.
This is all discussed here.
EXPLAINER: Amir Locke case shines light on no-knock warrants
The death of a Black man at the hands of a Minneapolis police SWAT team is shining new light on how police carry out no-knock warrantsabcnews.go.com
Red/green inferring that black people are inherently more criminal than others. SMH.
Degradation of the black family. 8 to 9 out of 10 black youth grow up without a father in the household.
You're an idiot.Red/green inferring that black people are inherently more criminal than others. SMH.
At least they didn't plant weed on him like the Atlanta PD did to this 90 something year old grandmother... Her one shot went over their heads. They fired 39 times... the wounded officers were shot by their own. They had no idea what they were freaking shooting at.
Kathryn Johnston (June 26, 1914 – November 21, 2006)[1] was an elderly Atlanta, Georgia, woman who was killed by undercover police officers in her home on Neal Street in northwest Atlanta on November 21, 2006, where she had lived for 17 years. Three officers had entered her home in what was later described as a 'botched' drug raid.[2][3][4] Officers cut off burglar bars and broke down her door using a no-knock warrant.[5] Police said Johnston fired at them and they fired in response; she fired one shot out the door over the officers' heads and they fired 39 shots, five or six of which hit her.[3][6] None of the officers were injured by her gunfire, but Johnston was killed by the officers. Police injuries were later attributed to friendly firefrom each other's weapons.[2][3][6]
One of the officers planted marijuana in Johnston's house after the shooting.[7][8] Later investigations found that the paperwork stating that drugs were present at Johnston's house, which had been the basis for the raid, had been falsified.[3] The officers later admitted to having lied when they submitted cocaine as evidence claiming that they had bought it at Johnston's house.[7] Three officers were tried for manslaughter and other charges surrounding falsification, convicted, and sentenced to ten, six, and five years, respectively.[3]
en.wikipedia.org
Kathryn Johnston (June 26, 1914 – November 21, 2006)[1] was an elderly Atlanta, Georgia, woman who was killed by undercover police officers in her home on Neal Street in northwest Atlanta on November 21, 2006, where she had lived for 17 years. Three officers had entered her home in what was later described as a 'botched' drug raid.[2][3][4] Officers cut off burglar bars and broke down her door using a no-knock warrant.[5] Police said Johnston fired at them and they fired in response; she fired one shot out the door over the officers' heads and they fired 39 shots, five or six of which hit her.[3][6] None of the officers were injured by her gunfire, but Johnston was killed by the officers. Police injuries were later attributed to friendly firefrom each other's weapons.[2][3][6]
One of the officers planted marijuana in Johnston's house after the shooting.[7][8] Later investigations found that the paperwork stating that drugs were present at Johnston's house, which had been the basis for the raid, had been falsified.[3] The officers later admitted to having lied when they submitted cocaine as evidence claiming that they had bought it at Johnston's house.[7] Three officers were tried for manslaughter and other charges surrounding falsification, convicted, and sentenced to ten, six, and five years, respectively.[3]
Killing of Kathryn Johnston - Wikipedia
This viewpoint about black fatherhood is a well-established structure of thought, with a host of supporting beliefs that reinforce it like rebar in a concrete slab: society is devastated because the majority of African American fathers are not at home nor involved in the lives of their children. The solution, therefore, is for black men to return to their responsibilities. These statements are stereotypes, fabrications and completely wrong. And the impact of these thoughts is girded in the foundations of American society, from systems of education, to access to employment, to incarceration.
Fatherlessness is not defined by living arrangement. Josh Levs’s article, “No, Most Black Kids are not Fatherless” deconstructs the “70% of black children are fatherless” myth. Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report, “Fathers’ Involvement with Their Children” (yes, the CDC tracks data & researches topics like this), verify that the majority of black fathers actually live with their children (2.5 million versus 1.7 million who don’t). Furthermore, whether living in the same home or not, black fathers are the most involved of all primary recorded race and ethnic groups.
Many fatherlessness statistics utilize marital and housing statuses as cornerstone metrics, resulting in highly inflated figures. These stats do not account for the fact that men have died or passed away, couples may live together while unmarried, couples may be divorced, and, let’s not forget, that, due to the system of incarceration, men are not only separated from their families but often even prevented from staying in the homes with their families if the housing is federally provided. The New York Times’ 2015 analysis, “1.5 Million Missing Black Men,” gave credence to this shocking reality, presenting loud and clear how our country’s mass incarceration industrial complex has claimed more men than were enslaved in 1850. Statistics about white males with a nearly 40% divorce rate, and significant numbers choosing to have and/or adopt children independently, are entirely immune to the views levied upon African Americans.
Research by scholars like Waldo E. Johnson Jr., Ph.D., professor at the University of Chicago School of Social Service Administration, leads in efforts to re-educate about black fatherhood, and also brings notice to the men who stand in as genuine, authentic father figures for children who have lost fathers for whatever reasons. When it comes to conceptualizing African American fatherhood, stereotypes and anecdotal experience pair with inflated data to produce a dish that is as superficial as the fraudulent images of fast food we see in marketing ads. The dish is served, and sadly consumed, so often that even gubernatorial and presidential candidates eat it up and perpetually re-serve it to audiences. This must stop.
The impact of this superficiality makes its way into policy and law formation, curriculum access and discipline in our education systems, law enforcement profiling and use of force, biases in court-based custody decisions; and many more unknown and unseen implicit ways in which society perceives black males. And, rather than focusing on the root cause of structural, institutional and implicit racialization, violence, poverty and general lack is scapegoated onto the backs of black fathers.
Breaking myths about black fatherhood this Father’s Day - The Chicago Reporter
The inaccurate perception that African American families are devastated by absent fathers that need to return to their responsibilities informs policy and law formulation in a variety of harmful ways.
www.chicagoreporter.com
The young man raised a loaded gun in the direction of police officers; the officers responded to that threat.
I don't understand your question. Again, the state of MN only allows no knock search warrants when certain conditions are met. The judge obviously thought the conditions were met and he issued the no knock warrant.
Authorities haven't disclosed what intelligence they had when asking the judge for the no knock warrant. So, we don't know if they argued that (1) they would be going into a high risk and dangerous situation (this is a murder suspect's apartment they are entering, after all); or (2) evidence may be destroyed if an announced entry was made; or (3) something else; or (4) all of the above.
Coming from a reporter from a city that has the highest black on black murder rate in the country.This viewpoint about black fatherhood is a well-established structure of thought, with a host of supporting beliefs that reinforce it like rebar in a concrete slab: society is devastated because the majority of African American fathers are not at home nor involved in the lives of their children. The solution, therefore, is for black men to return to their responsibilities. These statements are stereotypes, fabrications and completely wrong. And the impact of these thoughts is girded in the foundations of American society, from systems of education, to access to employment, to incarceration.
Fatherlessness is not defined by living arrangement. Josh Levs’s article, “No, Most Black Kids are not Fatherless” deconstructs the “70% of black children are fatherless” myth. Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report, “Fathers’ Involvement with Their Children” (yes, the CDC tracks data & researches topics like this), verify that the majority of black fathers actually live with their children (2.5 million versus 1.7 million who don’t). Furthermore, whether living in the same home or not, black fathers are the most involved of all primary recorded race and ethnic groups.
Many fatherlessness statistics utilize marital and housing statuses as cornerstone metrics, resulting in highly inflated figures. These stats do not account for the fact that men have died or passed away, couples may live together while unmarried, couples may be divorced, and, let’s not forget, that, due to the system of incarceration, men are not only separated from their families but often even prevented from staying in the homes with their families if the housing is federally provided. The New York Times’ 2015 analysis, “1.5 Million Missing Black Men,” gave credence to this shocking reality, presenting loud and clear how our country’s mass incarceration industrial complex has claimed more men than were enslaved in 1850. Statistics about white males with a nearly 40% divorce rate, and significant numbers choosing to have and/or adopt children independently, are entirely immune to the views levied upon African Americans.
Research by scholars like Waldo E. Johnson Jr., Ph.D., professor at the University of Chicago School of Social Service Administration, leads in efforts to re-educate about black fatherhood, and also brings notice to the men who stand in as genuine, authentic father figures for children who have lost fathers for whatever reasons. When it comes to conceptualizing African American fatherhood, stereotypes and anecdotal experience pair with inflated data to produce a dish that is as superficial as the fraudulent images of fast food we see in marketing ads. The dish is served, and sadly consumed, so often that even gubernatorial and presidential candidates eat it up and perpetually re-serve it to audiences. This must stop.
The impact of this superficiality makes its way into policy and law formation, curriculum access and discipline in our education systems, law enforcement profiling and use of force, biases in court-based custody decisions; and many more unknown and unseen implicit ways in which society perceives black males. And, rather than focusing on the root cause of structural, institutional and implicit racialization, violence, poverty and general lack is scapegoated onto the backs of black fathers.
Breaking myths about black fatherhood this Father’s Day - The Chicago Reporter
The inaccurate perception that African American families are devastated by absent fathers that need to return to their responsibilities informs policy and law formulation in a variety of harmful ways.
Obama, btw, would disagree with you. Excerpt from a speech given on Father's Day...
Here's the whole thing in case you accuse me of taking it out if context.
Obama talked about some of the ways that would help with fathers being more involved. Why do you believe black men are more likely to be absent fathers?
Back to the original story of this thread, Amir has a father. He didn't break any law by sleeping on a couch with his gun nearby, but he is dead now so if he has any children they are now fatherless.
OMG, you asked why I thought blacks are disproportionately being shot than others. I stated degradation of the black family. You linked an article stating that is a myth. It's not. The black community acknowledges it. Including the 1st black POTUS. Our side discussion is not about the OP. But you linked an absolute stinker of an article so now you have to twistt back to it to CYA.
I'm not talking opinion, unless seeing the actual video is considered an "opinion".
JFC
Like many posters who hate police and brand them as the “bad guys”, your title aims to cast the impression this is about police out to trying to kill black people. This isn’t about race. The issue should be about no knock warrants. 🙄
I think the article I linked had many good points. Politicians, even Obama, often ignore the root problem and address superficial issues.
As for your statement about the degradation of the black family leading to more black people being shot by the police, how does that hold true to this particular case? What about Brianna Taylor's case? How about Daunte Wright's case? Were they fatherless? If so how did this "fatherlessness" lead to them being killed by police officers?
I disagree. They sign up for this. They get training. Then they go to Warrior Training. ()
They are as culpable as the prosecutor who asked for and the judge who signed the no knock.
Listen people, the police will kill as many people as it takes to solve this murder.
They don’t care how many innocent people need to die. They will catch this killer!
They don’t care how many innocent people need to die. They will catch this killer!
This. The no knocks are just asking for trouble. I get in certain situations they offer value, but you have to wonder if the potential negative outcomes outweigh the positive.
Did the police even know the race of the man on the couch prior to entering?
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