MNG disagrees, move on.It really kinda isn't. Thia dude didn't lie so he could get cheaper movie tickets. He ran under a false title to become a governor.
MNG disagrees, move on.It really kinda isn't. Thia dude didn't lie so he could get cheaper movie tickets. He ran under a false title to become a governor.
This is the correct answer.You dodged the question. Probably because you don’t want to look it up and learn that I am right. In the end nothing I say will change your MAGA-addled mind. It’s just not worth having a discussion with you anymore. Anyone willing to vote for Trump on the one hand and calling Walz a “scum bag” is too weird to take seriously.
It absolutely is, they are having to parse the tiniest of words, while ignoring that Trump was a draft dodger 5 times and called military that passed away in combat Losers. It must be a sad life to feel like you have to try to tear someone down so you can semi prop up Trump.This is the correct answer.
Engaging stupid people is an absolute waste. Especially when they are Trump supporters.
No serious person believes this rises to the level of stolen valor. It’s just absolutely ****ing absurd.
Also, does anyone think this minor thing regarding the VP nominee is going to affect voters regarding Harris?It absolutely is, they are having to parse the tiniest of words, while ignoring that Trump was a draft dodger 5 times and called military that passed away in combat Losers. It must be a sad life to feel like you have to try to tear someone down so you can semi prop up Trump.
They are trying to throw as much crap against the wall and hoping something sticks with the public like calling Biden old. The only way they can win is by tearing their opponent down, because Trump is so disliked.Also, does anyone think this minor thing regarding the VP nominee is going to affect voters regarding Harris?
If this is the best Trumps people have, they’re screwed.
I forget, how did Clinton dodge the draft?
Yes. Exactly the same.No. Not even close.
He was a Rhodes Scholar besides less than 5% of draft age Americans served during Vietnam era. The vast majority of Americans didn’t.I believe he got a student deferment.
By their standards, Trump claiming to know more about ISIS than the generals could be construed as “stolen valor.” After all, he was running for president in 2016 when he said it. You could make the argument Trump was purposely falsifying his military experience and knowledge (although we all know he’s just a ****ing idiot) to advance his political career. I mean, why not? Just as logical.It absolutely is, they are having to parse the tiniest of words, while ignoring that Trump was a draft dodger 5 times and called military that passed away in combat Losers. It must be a sad life to feel like you have to try to tear someone down so you can semi prop up Trump.
I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a campaign flail like they have been the past 3 weeks. Harris isn’t a perfect candidate, and the best they can do is attack the VP?They are trying to throw as much crap against the wall and hoping something sticks with the public like calling Biden old. The only way they can win is by tearing their opponent down, because Trump is so disliked.
I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a campaign flail like they have been the past 3 weeks. Harris isn’t a perfect candidate, and the best they can do is attack the VP?
Awww you big mad.It's not semantics, it's disgusting. This guy used a false title to run for office. And he was called on it, on video, and he still chose not to correct it.
Grandpa Walz is a ****ing scum bag.
And that's just the title.
Dude was never at baghram, as he said, he never saw combat, as he said.
You hit the nail on the head.Upon review of this thread I have determined that no one’s minds will be changed.
Upon review of this thread I have determined that no one’s minds will be changed.
If you don’t like how we’re defending it, perhaps you should also object to the attack as well.You hit the nail on the head.
I don't like what he did, or how he used little white lies for his campaign. Politicians do it all the time, I wished they didn't but they do, so I live with it. Just like Trumpers defending some of his actions, I really don't care for the way people on here are defending Walz. He embellished his service record for political gain... accept it and move on, but here we are with people trying to defend it.
Not to mention it minimizes actual instances of truly stolen valor. The fact is at the end of the day MAGA doesn’t actually care about stolen valor they just want a gotcha moment to make Walz look bad and this will continue to implode in their faces.This is the correct answer.
Engaging stupid people is an absolute waste. Especially when they are Trump supporters.
No serious person believes this rises to the level of stolen valor. It’s just absolutely ****ing absurd.
So step back and look at what he said. He did say that he was in Iraq and in a combat zone. This was vetted and found to be untrue by the local media in Minnesota. By saying this, it is a stolen valor situation. #2, his service record has him as E-8 no E-9 (which he claims), once again, vetted by local media.If you don’t like how we’re defending it, perhaps you should also object to the attack as well.
This can certainly be framed as embellishing his record, buts not quite the same thing as a lie. As you noted, it’s unfortunately something that happens all the time. - not just politicians frankly. What I object to is this being framed as stolen valor. That sort of attack only makes sense to me if Walz was outright lying and had never held that rank.
I’ve looked and not seen where he said he was in Iraq. He was a part of operation enduring freedom but his unit deployed to Italy. Google isn’t always my friend so send me the link if you have that. As for #2 - which is what Whiskey is hung up on…that’s just a particularly ticky-tac thing to get hung up imo. When he retired, he was a command sergeant major. That was later revised downward since he hadn’t done all the work to make it permanent.So step back and look at what he said. He did say that he was in Iraq and in a combat zone. This was vetted and found to be untrue by the local media in Minnesota. By saying this, it is a stolen valor situation. #2, his service record has him as E-8 no E-9 (which he claims), once again, vetted by local media.
I will say it again, I don't like it that he claimed this stuff. My vote will not be for him because of this. But please stop trying to defend his record. He told white lies about his service time and now the truth is out (well it's been out since his first run as Gov.)
I don't know after continuing to hit them over the head like on the Khalif situation most tend to change their position or back off quite a bit. May not change Whiskeys mind, but I think even he realizes he has a pretty poor argument. When the regulating body says there is no issues, you are kind of shit up a creek with trying to create an issue out of it.Upon review of this thread I have determined that no one’s minds will be changed.
I've seen the interview. Can't seem to find it anymore. Let me look into it more, not sure where it went. Last time I watched it was in 2020.I’ve looked and not seen where he said he was in Iraq. He was a part of operation enduring freedom but his unit deployed to Italy. Google isn’t always my friend so send me the link if you have that. As for #2 - which is what Whiskey is hung up on…that’s just a particularly ticky-tac thing to get hung up imo. When he retired, he was a command sergeant major. That was later revised downward since he hadn’t done all the work to make it permanent.
But you’re not voting for him - fine, but he’s not at the top of the ticket either. This is where I find this line of attack odd - people rarely base their vote for POTUS because of who the VP is. From an election POV, the VPs job is to basically do no harm, and I simply don’t see how this moves the needle there, unless you’re going to tell me you were going to vote Harris until you saw this.
He never said that, he said he was in Europe as part of operation freedom. Whether someone thought that meant he deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan that is on them. It has always been clear that he deployed to Italy. He has been very clear in what he did and that he was not in a combat zone.So step back and look at what he said. He did say that he was in Iraq and in a combat zone. This was vetted and found to be untrue by the local media in Minnesota. By saying this, it is a stolen valor situation. #2, his service record has him as E-8 no E-9 (which he claims), once again, vetted by local media.
I will say it again, I don't like it that he claimed this stuff. My vote will not be for him because of this. But please stop trying to defend his record. He told white lies about his service time and now the truth is out (well it's been out since his first run as Gov.)
Fair enough, and if it’s not obvious, I’ve never served, so thank you for your service.I've seen the interview. Can't seem to find it anymore. Let me look into it more, not sure where it went. Last time I watched it was in 2020.
LOL, no I was plan on voting for her or Trump.
Stolen valor is a sticky subject for me. After watching my bestfriend take a bullet to the head and having to carry him 10 miles through a firefight, I don't like it people who steal valor and take it personal. As far as rank goes, he was nothing more than an acting Command Sergeant Major, he was never assigned the position fully (it's in the details). I don't know what Whiskey has said, I tend to skip past most of his posts.