There are no winners in Hilton
Moss Interest.. Hes not leaving to be the guy..
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There are no winners in Hilton
I seem to recall being pretty happy as they continually launched midrange jumpers against our zone.
The difference is that Moss can actually make them when he is in rhythm. He was prone to turnovers and mental mistakes but he is a pretty damn good player.
Losing him is going to be very noticeable next year unless Weiskamp steps up and starts dominating.
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This. The tweet only mentioned the teams interested in him not the teams he’s interested in.
Will be interesting to see how this plays out
I don’t know the rules for a grad transfer but I assume Iowa can’t block him from conference teams or a rival like ISU?
Agree. His stated reason for leaving was that he wanted to play a bigger role. He won’t find one at Illinois.
I thought Holyfield chose Texas Tech. (?)
Can teams even block players for going to certain schools anymore with the new portal system?
The way you bring politics into non-political discussions is nauseating.
I think transfer restrictions are kind of a thing of the past.
Most on this board consider Iowa St more of an annoyance than a rival, so probably better Moss goes there than a B10 school.
Most on this board consider Iowa St more of an annoyance than a rival, so probably better Moss goes there than a B10 school.
huh? How do you extract that from my post? Did you not site the games by calendar year and not season? the spin was all yours, man. If I misread it...let me know.
You said Iowa beat all those teams last year. Most would think that meant "the most recent season" (2018-19) or "last season" (2017-18). You used a calendar year, 2018, to cherry pick parts of both seasons while leaving out other parts. That...would be spin.
There's no "I'm right, you're wrong"...I'm just pointing out how you cherry picked your Ws and Ls...and saying how ever one parses the numbers... going to a rival is always a bit edgy. I didn't think that was such a shocking idea.
Adam Haluska and Jared Uthoff are the only guys I can come up with who've done so, and they both transferred TO Iowa. Any examples of guys who've gone the other way?
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Sounds like you are the one. I would have said "season" instead of "year" if I meant that. Besides, what does it matter? The intent of what I was saying is that they are all very beatable teams for Iowa. I seriously doubt that this will have McC feeling anything about Moss. Says more about Moss than McC is he goes to a rival.
In my opinion, Fran wanted and encouraged him to have a featured role.
But he would disappear on the court at times, passive not aggressive.
He would do that at end of games as well as turn the ball over, I think his 3 pt % dropped at the end of games except for his outburst at the end of the one Minnesota game when we were down by 30 he he got 19? in the last minute+
I think his role would have been the same next year - start every game hoping he would play to his potential more consistently.
Not surprised he left but have a hard time seeing he would have a better opportunity for playing time and exposure. But who knows, maybe there was a coach, teammate, girlfriend issue and he wanted to get away
No doubt they're all beatable. (and beating them feels soooo good). RE my other question. Can you recall an IOWA player transferring to a rival? I can't come up with any examples. Haluska and Uthoff of course transferred "in".
Brust signed with Iowa then got let out of his LOI to go to WI. I can't think of any Iowa men's basketball players who transferred to another team within the B1G, though. Up until a few years ago the penalty was just too severe.
If Fran did not try his best to retain Ike he is gambling on an untested frosh, CJ, over a 5th year starter.
If Hawks fall flat next year Fran will get a lot of heat.
Lot of pressure on the whole program along with Joey T.and CJ next year.
Hope we match this season or the fans will be looking for scapegoats.
If Hawks fall flat next year Fran will get a lot of heat.
Lot of pressure on the whole program along with Joey T.and CJ next year.
Hope we match this season or the fans will be looking for scapegoats.
Of course Fran tried to keep him. Fran has realistic conversations with every player after the season. It is my opinion that Moss does not have a realistic expectation of his upside potential at another school next year. But, if he earns his degree he has earned that right to move on if he wishes.
Iowa is losing more than Moss - they are replacing Cook and Baer. Iowa would have probably struggled without Moss leaving as he is not the assertive player that these two have been.
I missed where the op addressed loses and cherry picked those. A little help with that part?
I don't wanna go too far down this rabbit hole, wasn't trying to attack the guy. He's right that all those teams are beatable...by which I think he meant Moss going there wasn't a real threat. Makes sense. I was just saying it was awkward for a coach to lose a player to a rival. All good. Ignore the below unless you really want the numbers nit picking.
Initially he said we beat all those teams "last year" (isu, MN, ILL)...when somebody pointed out that we lost to MN he sited the score in 2018 as beating them "last year".
So if last year means the previous season (17-18)...then we lost to ISU (Dec of 2017). By using calendar year 2018 he was able to claim the W from the 17-18 season against MN and the W against ISU in the 18-19 season (they both fell in the calendar year 2018) while avoiding the L against MN in 2019 (18-19 season) and L against isu (17-18 season) as it fell in Dec of 17. He used games played in 2018 (parts of two different seasons) to get his Ws.
Doesn't matter. As he said, those are beatable programs.
I understand all of that. I didn’t see where they addressed losses. I wouldn’t have used ‘last year’ either but he was factually correct, disingenuous but correct. He didn’t bring up losses. In your attempt to create an issue you brought up that lengthy response.
We all know the Ws and Ls. We beat some of them last year and some of them the year before...not all last year. That's all.
He suggested Moss going to those programs wasn't likely to hurt us...and I tend to agree. Still a bit uncomfortable though. Seeing a former Hawkeye in ketchup and mustard would turn my stomach.
I agree, but it has happened before and probably hurt the opponent more that Iowa
Out of the schools listed above, I'd go to Arizona State in a heartbeat ...great place to be a stallion running wild...IF, you get my drift.
Then again, not really known for it's academics, so if he truly wants to pursue a graduate degree, then either Illy or Minny make the most sense.
Then again, not really known for it's academics, so if he truly wants to pursue a graduate degree, then either Illy or Minny make the most sense.
I gotta believe he's on track to graduate, otherwise he wouldn't have done this. But that does raise some other questions.
Does a "grad transfer" have to enroll in a grad studies program? Quite a bit tougher getting accepted to a grad program than undergrad.
Or can they take undergrad level courses with the intent of getting a second degree or a minor? What are the requirements?
If Moss visits either of these three schools, he should never be welcomed in Iowa City again. Ever.
I like Moss. But if he does take these visits, I will hope that he fails his last class and is not allowed to grad transfer. And then be rendered to DII schools.
Something seems off here. Our only hope are one of two things, Fran has a huge recruiting get coming and it hasn't been announced yet(very unlikely). Or CJ has been killing it in practice, and Moss saw the writing on the wall...? Let's hope it is both!
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March 21st, 2003, an NIT game
But I still remember the Lafester Rhodes game. I was in the last year of my master's program.
Not terribly surprising. Almost every school could use a 3 and D guy like him. Very few will give him the role he is looking for however.
Hope he finds a good fit on a team not on Iowa’s schedule
Not really though, grad transfers are basically "free money" for a team that might have an open scholarship for a year anyway. Tack that on to being a starter on a B1G team, he's gonna get a lot of interest. While there are certainly a few gems to be had, overall I think the grad transfer market is highly over rated most years.
I don't know if it is still the rule, but the grad transfer rule used to require you to graduate first, then enroll in a major or field of study at the new school that your old school didn't have.
And grad transfers didn't have school restrictions otherwise like a traditional transfer used to. The Big Ten used to not allow students to transfer between member schools and obtain a scholarship at the new school, but that has also been eliminated.
As for Iowa transfers out. I can't think of any in the last 20 years that went to Big Ten schools. Thompson to ISU, Smith to Tennessee, and players to UNI and Drake are the biggest schools that I can think of off the top of my head for BBall transfers out. Everyone else went to smaller schools and were pretty much never heard from again. Courtney Scott leading Oakland to the NCAA tourney may have been the best small school transfer success after leaving Iowa. We've brought Okey, Recker(with a pit stop in Arizona), and Uthoff in from other Big Ten schools in the last 21 years.
And grad transfers didn't have school restrictions otherwise like a traditional transfer used to. The Big Ten used to not allow students to transfer between member schools and obtain a scholarship at the new school, but that has also been eliminated.
As for Iowa transfers out. I can't think of any in the last 20 years that went to Big Ten schools. Thompson to ISU, Smith to Tennessee, and players to UNI and Drake are the biggest schools that I can think of off the top of my head for BBall transfers out. Everyone else went to smaller schools and were pretty much never heard from again. Courtney Scott leading Oakland to the NCAA tourney may have been the best small school transfer success after leaving Iowa. We've brought Okey, Recker(with a pit stop in Arizona), and Uthoff in from other Big Ten schools in the last 21 years.
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