Moss

[CP84]

How often do you see starters transfer from a Power 5 conference? Almost never. I am certain this tweet isn't about him transferring.

A few impact transfers that started for other teams come to mind.

Marcus Foster, Creighton - started at KSU
Nigel Williams-Gross, Gonzaga - started at Washington
Jordan Mathews, Gonzaga - started at California
Katin Reinhard, Marquette - started at USC
Andrew White, Syracuse - started at Nebraska

There have been a number of others I can think of like Austin Nichols, Cullen Neal and Terry Larrier that weren't at P5 schools but the schools they were at are solid basketball programs (Memphis, VCU and New Mexico).

 

[Vbeachawk]

Iowa's back court is one of the weakest in the Big 10 athletically. Moss is the only player that can actually guard and drive effectively upon opponents guards and things do not improve with the addition of Connor in this respect. If Moss leaves, Iowa's back court will really challenged to defend anyone and will strictly be a group of spot up shooters. Michigan State exposed just how slow/weak Iowa's back court is and as a result, easy to defend.

 

[Mohawkeye]

I hardly believe this means he is transferring. Moss is set to be a very big part of Iowa basketball the next 3 years. Quite likely a 4 year starter at this point. He has been inconsistent, but every freshman is. He has shown flashes of being a complete player. I'd say he is much further along than Jok or Devyn Marble were as freshmen, and we know how they turned out. Of all the guys on the team right now, I think he has the highest ceiling. Just needs more experience.

 

[bravehawks1]

Everyone is making a lot out of a 4 word tweet.

If there's smoke in the post......Moss can be a key part of our future, but next year it has to be at the two. With the bigs coming in we'll be needing minutes at the three to ease that log jam. If we assume Jo Bo at the point with Conner backing him up, that leaves Brady, Moss, and Williams at the two. If Conner wins the 2 guard spot and Williams backs up the point it gets a bit crowded with Brady and Moss off the bench.

These last few games of league play should give us a bunch of insight to the future, but I don't see a bunch of people leaving.

This last statement gives me a bit of heartburn. We are 26 games in to the year and Fran is still struggling with rotations and playing time. Pemsl's quote in the paper indicates the players are not quite sure of what is next either. Not saying people should be leaving, but while there is playing time available in Fran's system, nobody knows what that is. I get the sense that may be causing some of the young guys being afraid to make mistakes

 

[jdv77]

His stats are fairly similar to Peter Jok's as a sophomore. He has the potential to be a special player offensively.

 

[Suterman]

A few impact transfers that started for other teams come to mind.

Marcus Foster, Creighton - started at KSU
Nigel Williams-Gross, Gonzaga - started at Washington
Jordan Mathews, Gonzaga - started at California
Katin Reinhard, Marquette - started at USC
Andrew White, Syracuse - started at Nebraska

There have been a number of others I can think of like Austin Nichols, Cullen Neal and Terry Larrier that weren't at P5 schools but the schools they were at are solid basketball programs (Memphis, VCU and New Mexico).

Yes I know it happens, but it is pretty rare still. I would be surprised if he goes elsewhere.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Ouch. Seems like these type of tweets often end up with transfer. Hopefully this is something not related to his status at UI.

This is literally the biggest overreaction I have ever seen on this message board. And that is saying a lot

 

[Legend12]

A few impact transfers that started for other teams come to mind.

Marcus Foster, Creighton - started at KSU
Nigel Williams-Gross, Gonzaga - started at Washington
Jordan Mathews, Gonzaga - started at California
Katin Reinhard, Marquette - started at USC
Andrew White, Syracuse - started at Nebraska

There have been a number of others I can think of like Austin Nichols, Cullen Neal and Terry Larrier that weren't at P5 schools but the schools they were at are solid basketball programs (Memphis, VCU and New Mexico).

Foster was kicked off the KSU team.
Reinhard, Matthews and White were all grad transfers.

 

[MepoDawg#]

This last statement gives me a bit of heartburn. We are 26 games in to the year and Fran is still struggling with rotations and playing time. Pemsl's quote in the paper indicates the players are not quite sure of what is next either. Not saying people should be leaving, but while there is playing time available in Fran's system, nobody knows what that is. I get the sense that may be causing some of the young guys being afraid to make mistakes

Fran struggling with rotations and playing time isn't confined to this season. If everyone stays it will only be worse next year and the year after.

 

[Hawksfor3]

To be continued....

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Jesus people.

 

[The Sleeping Dog]

There are roughly 60 P5 teams. That's roughly 300 starters, more or less. I'll bet there aren't 30 starters that transfer and those that do so after burning a red shirt is probably fewer than 5 a year. Just guessing. Transfers usually transfer down to get more playing time.

Moss has shown great flashes of play but he has also made a ton of dumb plays. I certainly hope he's not transferring. He's an almost certain starter that looks to get a lot more minutes. This kid could very much have a career like RDM and his upside is that high.

I'm guessing Baer or Ellingson fill Jok's starting spot. I don't see a freshman jumping Moss or Ellingson particularly the coaches kid. If McC the player jumps Moss or Ellingson the Hawks have either nepotism or a very good player on their hands.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

Check twitter now.

 

[StormHawk42]

Yeah people need to get a grip.

"I love my team man. Saturday can't come fast enough."

 

[2432Hawk]

Check twitter now.

isaiah moss ‏@imoss38 1h1 hour ago
I love my team man

Saturday can't come fast enough

7 replies9 retweets177 likes

 

[SotaHawk87]

He's only a freshman. To think he's gonna be anything other than a freakin beast is stupid! This would be a MASSIVE loss.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Tend to agree. Seems pretty early to put something like this out even if he is disgruntled. I will say that Fran's spanking of him at NW and IL was dumb. He is an IL kid and had friends / family at both games. Iowa is getting blown out, but he sits Moss until scrub time in the second halves.

For a kid who red shirted last year, something isn't clicking to be spending so much ime on the pine in the second halves of games. I think the kid has tremendous up side and would be a huge loss if he transfers, but would not come as a total surprise if he does. I am sure he could go to DePaul, sit out a year and start.

 

[DaCDiggity]

After watching some of his HS games where he would try dunking everything I'm waiting for that one insane poster dunk. It's gonna happen

 

[aurorabimmer]

To me there are only three for sure starters next year; Cook, Bohannon and Moss. He can be a four year starter with a shot at the NBA.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Moss can be very impressive, but he is very inconsistent. I don't know if Moss or Cook is the biggest underachiever currently on the roster. That said, both have the potential to be all-B1G players.

 

[unoHawkeye]

Moss can be very impressive, but he is very inconsistent. I don't know if Moss or Cook is the biggest underachiever currently on the roster. That said, both have the potential to be all-B1G players.

Neither, because both are playing their first year of D1 ball. Try Uhl, who is one of the lengthiest/most athletic players on the team who can't crack the top 7 as the second most experienced player on the roster.

Have to say, I've liked his aggressiveness the past few games though. He looks more confident shooting and handling the ball. Hope he keeps it up.

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

If you watch he sits Moss way to much!!! The other players screw up also and none of them sit for the lo g period of times like Moss does.They better not screw this up with Moss. He is the o e player that affects the game on both ends of the court. Hopefully nothing to read here. That would really hurt this program if he leaves hope he stays. Go Hawks

BS
JoBo PT was way down against MSU when he struggled...other players minus Jok have seen their PT fluctuate.....

Moss is 6th on the team in minutes. He gets his PT but is extremely erratic....or haven't you been watching?

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

If you watch he sits Moss way to much!!! The other players screw up also and none of them sit for the lo g period of times like Moss does.They better not screw this up with Moss. He is the o e player that affects the game on both ends of the court. Hopefully nothing to read here. That would really hurt this program if he leaves hope he stays. Go Hawks

Already used his redshirt....he'd lose a year of eligibility if he transfers....calm the f(*k down.

 

[HawksAndChiefs24]

A few impact transfers that started for other teams come to mind.

Marcus Foster, Creighton - started at KSU
Nigel Williams-Gross, Gonzaga - started at Washington
Jordan Mathews, Gonzaga - started at California
Katin Reinhard, Marquette - started at USC
Andrew White, Syracuse - started at Nebraska

There have been a number of others I can think of like Austin Nichols, Cullen Neal and Terry Larrier that weren't at P5 schools but the schools they were at are solid basketball programs (Memphis, VCU and New Mexico).

Nigel Johnson comes to mind as well. He has been a bright spot on what has been another atrocious Rutgers team. I'm sure there are plenty more examples, as well.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Iowa's back court is one of the weakest in the Big 10 athletically. Moss is the only player that can actually guard and drive effectively upon opponents guards and things do not improve with the addition of Connor in this respect. If Moss leaves, Iowa's back court will really challenged to defend anyone and will strictly be a group of spot up shooters. Michigan State exposed just how slow/weak Iowa's back court is and as a result, easy to defend.

Excellent post.

 

[Hawkeyestate81]

Iowa's back court is one of the weakest in the Big 10 athletically. Moss is the only player that can actually guard and drive effectively upon opponents guards and things do not improve with the addition of Connor in this respect. If Moss leaves, Iowa's back court will really challenged to defend anyone and will strictly be a group of spot up shooters. Michigan State exposed just how slow/weak Iowa's back court is and as a result, easy to defend.

Lol, this is a fact Fran's entire tenure pretty much. The backcourt can at least hit 3's most of the time now at least.

 

[David1979]

Moss might be the worst starter in the Big 10.

 

[Kurt Warner]

Moss might be the worst starter in the Big 10.

I think not. Inconsistent yes, but this is the first year for the guy, cute him some slack. He has shown glimpses of brilliance. I for one sure hope he doesn't leave.

 

[David1979]

I think not. Inconsistent yes, but this is the first year for the guy, cute him some slack. He has shown glimpses of brilliance. I for one sure hope he doesn't leave.

I am not saying he should leave just stating the fact he has been pretty bad in big ten play. He has a PER of 8.4. As far as I can tell that is worse than any starter in the Big Ten except maybe for a 1-2 Rutgers players. Ellingson has been better in Big Ten play.

 

[SCKCtb93]

I am a big fan of Moss. He oozes potential on the court. I don't know what his specific numbers are but I think people can get to caught up in statistics and forget what you are actually seeing with your eyes. He obviously has a lot of growing to do but it is his first year playing college ball. He seems to have a solid jump shot and I really like his ability to finish strong at the rim on the offensive end.

 

[EastIowaHawk]

I hope he doesn't transfer, and he probably won't. Kind of a weird time of the year to post something like that. He is a starter. One of the coaches is probably trying to get him to work on some aspect of his game (if he wants to get more minutes) and he's going to change things. Despite his shortcomings ( and every one of our players has some), he is exciting, and I am glad he is a Hawkeye. Additionally, we have no idea of the complex situations these players deal with in their personal lives.

 

[Bro D]

The flashes Moss shows me that he has the talent to be our next "best player on the team". Hope he doesn't leave.. he can be special.

 

[EastIowaHawk]

With eleven players being shuttled in and out of games every six minutes and two of our three top scorers and rebounders coming off the bench, I'm sure nobody but Peter is exactly happy about his playing time on this team.

 

[Kurt Warner]

With eleven players being shuttled in and out of games every six minutes and two of our three top scorers and rebounders coming off the bench, I'm sure nobody but Peter is exactly happy about his playing time on this team.

I would say JBo is probably pretty tickled with his minutes other than the last game.

 

[kzoohawk80]

The advanced metrics just don't correlate with your subjective eye test.

He's currently 11th on the entire roster for defensive box +/- with a -0.6.

His assist % (8.7) is 13th on the roster ahead of only Tyler Cook. That's abysmal for a wing.

His steal % (1.3) is 10th on the roster ahead of only regular players Kriener and Uhl. Once again horrible for a wing. By contrast, Christian Williams has a 3.4 steal %. Even Peter Jok, not exactly a defensive presence, has a 2.1 steal %.

The one thing he's supposed to excel at is his offensive ability and he ranks 10th on the team with a 11.7 PER ahead of only one regular player, Williams.

I don't know how you arrive at the notion that he's our best perimeter defender. If anything, he's been a liability defensively.

I assume those metrics don't factor into who the players are actually guarding. Here's an eye test for you, watch who Fran puts on the best offensive player of the other team. Of course that has nothing to do with his metrics and also has nothing to do with Brady's metrics. Do you notice how much zone we play with Brady in the game? Do those help his metrics? There's more to basketball then your metrics. I can tell you who Fran thinks our best defender is because I use my eyes. Do you think Brady will even guard Malcolm Hill on Saturday? I bet you Moss does.

 

[HawkLogic]

Yeah people need to get a grip.

"I love my team man. Saturday can't come fast enough."

Maybe this is nothing. That said, I have seen a lot of posts in past years chiding people for overreacting to some rumor/tweet and then it all turns out to be true.

 

[Iowa Hog]

Maybe he's referring to hairstyle.

Watching Moss he lacks the ability to defend. He keeps his arms up and loses his man in traffic. He could be real good on offense, but his teammates have not dished him the ball when he is open, and may be reason he is frustrated. The coach needs to give him more playing time in the second halve.

I'm hoping new hair style

 

[RocknRollface]

I assume those metrics don't factor into who the players are actually guarding. Here's an eye test for you, watch who Fran puts on the best offensive player of the other team. Of course that has nothing to do with his metrics and also has nothing to do with Brady's metrics. Do you notice how much zone we play with Brady in the game? Do those help his metrics? There's more to basketball then your metrics. I can tell you who Fran thinks our best defender is because I use my eyes. Do you think Brady will even guard Malcolm Hill on Saturday? I bet you Moss does.

Moss and or Williams are our best perimeter defenders from an ability stand point.

Its really not that hard to see.

Just like on offense Brady is smart and doesn't try to do things he can't and therefore doesn't make many mistakes.

Moss has the length and lateral mobility to be an elite defender by next year.