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Mt. McKinley becomes the newest conservative molehill

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Come now the Denali deniers.

President Obama’s conservative critics have long said there is no depth to which he will not sink in his zeal to trash the Constitution. Now, apparently, they also think there is no height to which he will not climb in that same effort.

Obama went to the very top this weekend – to 20,320 feet to be exact – and stripped North America’s highest peak of its official name of the last century, Mt. McKinley, returning it to what Alaskans had called it for centuries: Denali, or Great One.

Obama’s opponents immediately condemned him for acting like a dictator, taking unconstitutional action, overstepping his authority, engaging in a partisan stunt and, of course, exhibiting racial animus. President William McKinley, after all, was a white guy. And, um, the mountain itself is mostly white.

“I hope my colleagues will join with me in stopping this constitutional overreach,” proclaimed Rep. Bob Gibbs (R-Ohio), vowing to work with the House natural resources committee to reverse Obama. “President Obama has decided to ignore an Act of Congress in unilaterally renaming Mount McKinley in order to promote his job-killing war on energy. This political stunt is insulting to all Ohioans.”

Former Rep. Ralph Regula, also from McKinley’s home state of Ohio, asserted to the Columbus Dispatch that Obama “thinks he is a dictator and he can change the law.” Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) saw it as “yet another example of the president going around Congress,” while Rep. Mike Turner (R-Ohio) scolded Obama for moving to “undermine a prior act of Congress.” Ohio Gov. John Kasich, a GOP presidential candidate, tweeted that “POTUS once again oversteps his bounds,” and House Speaker John Boehner, from Ohio, pronounced himself “deeply disappointed.”

It wasn’t just a provincial dispute. Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), on Fox News, thought the move might have something to do with McKinley being Republican. “People feel like this president is constantly trying to, like, stick it in our eye, and put his thumb in our eye.” The conservative website Gateway Pundit posted an item titled “Obama Renames Mt. McKinley (Named After Some White Guy) to Denali.”

At the conservative outlet Breitbart.com, Ben Shapiro asked, “Why did Obama choose to change the name now? Presumably because Obama has now solved all the world’s problems, and decided against his second choice, Mt. Trayvon.” Shapiro said a “more serious” explanation was that Obama “opposes the legacy of President McKinley,” which includes the Spanish-American war and annexing various territories. Asked Shapiro: “[W]hen will President Obama change the name of the American Southwest to Aztlan?” The deeper one wandered into the conservative blogosphere and twitterverse, the uglier the messages became – about Obama’s anti-American views, his Muslim practices and his urge to defecate on his predecessors.

Actually, Obama is perfectly within his authority to make the change. If his opponents are really outraged, they can overrule him in Congress or they can elect a president who will change the name back. The problem with both of these is that Alaska, run by Republicans, want the name to be Denali and have been trying to make the change for decades. The Alaska delegations — Sens. Lisa Murkowski and Dan Sullivan and Rep. Don Young, Republicans all — heralded the move (even as Democratic Rep. Tim Ryan, who represents McKinley’s hometown, joined the opposition).

There’s also the small matter of conservatives claiming to support local control, and devolution of power; in this case, they’re demanding the federal government to continue to overrule a state’s wishes. A more ideologically consistent solution would be for the Ohioans to rename something of their own – say, Cincinnati or Columbus -- after McKinley. McKinley hadn’t even visited his eponymous peak, named for him by a prospector before McKinley was elected the 25th president.

More likely, the mountain will be added to other molehills of Obama overreach: Obamacare, the stimulus, Dodd Frank, the IRS, immigration, executive appointments and on and on. The common objection to all of these is less about what was done than who did it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...7d06c647a395_story.html?tid=pm_opinions_pop_b
 
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Maybe it was a political favor to map and globe makers.

In all honesty, I didn't even know it was named for the President. I always assumed it was named for its discoverer and it was just coincidental that a president had the same name.

Either way, the Alaskans call it Denali and that's good enough for me.
 
Maybe it was a political favor to map and globe makers.

In all honesty, I didn't even know it was named for the President. I always assumed it was named for its discoverer and it was just coincidental that a president had the same name.

Either way, the Alaskans call it Denali and that's good enough for me.
If the Alaskans already called it Denali then why bother changing the name?
 
If the Alaskans already called it Denali then why bother changing the name?

The park is (and was, since 1916) called Denali National Park and Preserve. But hey, we can't allow the mountain that the Indians built to be named after a some old dead white guy.
 
The park is (and was, since 1916) called Denali National Park and Preserve. But hey, we can't allow the mountain that the Indians built to be named after a some old dead white guy.
That's my point we are changing something that the people it effects never changed in the first place.

The only reasonable thing is to let people identify the mountain with whatever name, nationality, or sex, they are most comfortable with.
 
That's my point we are changing something that the people it effects never changed in the first place.

The only reasonable thing is to let people identify the mountain with whatever name, nationality, or sex, they are most comfortable with.

And you're right on. This is actually all about Obama and his petulance. [God, please grant me one wish - let me get Obama on a basketball court. Please!]
 
If a Republican had done this the Democrats would be in an uproar. Everything has to be political and both sides are full of hypocrites. Insulting to all Ohioans? Please. People in Ohio are far more concerned about who will be the Buckeyes' starting QB than a mountain in Alaska. Politicians gotta politic. Lame.
 
If the Alaskans already called it Denali then why bother changing the name?
Map sales are slumping. Plus we have to keep teachers and school kids on their toes. McKinley is now Denali and Pluto ain't a planet no more. Meanwhile the Publix grocery store by my house is changing their whole layout and I can't find anything no more. Honestly that concerns me more as it wastes my valuable time when I'm trying to grab stuff for dinner on the way home.

I'm no fan of Obama, but let's be honest. No one would be complaining about this if it was a president that they liked who did it.
 
I think the next Republican President should sign an EO changing the name of the BHO Presidential Library to...

"The Barry Soetoro Center For Kids Who Can't Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too."
 
Nothing is stopping you from doing that. You are more than welcome to continue calling it Mt. McKinley.
I believe that Mount Denali will come up in conversation about as much as Mount McKinley did as soon as this thread dies out.
 
If a Republican wins the Presidency in 2016, then this
Alaskan Mountain top will be named Mt. Palin. A lot
of guys want to climb her. This would revive the art
of mountain climbing.
To be perfectly honest I rarely read your posts on general principle. I accidentally read this one and found it LOL!
 
If a Republican had done this the Democrats would be in an uproar. Everything has to be political and both sides are full of hypocrites. Insulting to all Ohioans? Please. People in Ohio are far more concerned about who will be the Buckeyes' starting QB than a mountain in Alaska. Politicians gotta politic. Lame.
Um, no. Democrats would applaud a long overdue move. McKinley was a stiff. Middle schools are the things he should have named in his honor.
 
Come now the Denali deniers.

President Obama’s conservative critics have long said there is no depth to which he will not sink in his zeal to trash the Constitution. Now, apparently, they also think there is no height to which he will not climb in that same effort.

Obama went to the very top this weekend – to 20,320 feet to be exact – and stripped North America’s highest peak of its official name of the last century, Mt. McKinley, returning it to what Alaskans had called it for centuries: Denali, or Great One.

Obama’s opponents immediately condemned him for acting like a dictator, taking unconstitutional action, overstepping his authority, engaging in a partisan stunt and, of course, exhibiting racial animus. President William McKinley, after all, was a white guy. And, um, the mountain itself is mostly white.

“I hope my colleagues will join with me in stopping this constitutional overreach,” proclaimed Rep. Bob Gibbs (R-Ohio), vowing to work with the House natural resources committee to reverse Obama. “President Obama has decided to ignore an Act of Congress in unilaterally renaming Mount McKinley in order to promote his job-killing war on energy. This political stunt is insulting to all Ohioans.”

Mount McKinley to be renamed Denali
Play Video1:03
President Obama is going to restore Denali as the name of Alaska's Mount McKinley, siding with the state of Alaska in ending a 40-year battle over the name of the peak. (Reuters)
Former Rep. Ralph Regula, also from McKinley’s home state of Ohio, asserted to the Columbus Dispatch that Obama “thinks he is a dictator and he can change the law.” Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) saw it as “yet another example of the president going around Congress,” while Rep. Mike Turner (R-Ohio) scolded Obama for moving to “undermine a prior act of Congress.” Ohio Gov. John Kasich, a GOP presidential candidate, tweeted that “POTUS once again oversteps his bounds,” and House Speaker John Boehner, from Ohio, pronounced himself “deeply disappointed.”

It wasn’t just a provincial dispute. Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), on Fox News, thought the move might have something to do with McKinley being Republican. “People feel like this president is constantly trying to, like, stick it in our eye, and put his thumb in our eye.” The conservative website Gateway Pundit posted an item titled “Obama Renames Mt. McKinley (Named After Some White Guy) to Denali.”

At the conservative outlet Breitbart.com, Ben Shapiro asked, “Why did Obama choose to change the name now? Presumably because Obama has now solved all the world’s problems, and decided against his second choice, Mt. Trayvon.” Shapiro said a “more serious” explanation was that Obama “opposes the legacy of President McKinley,” which includes the Spanish-American war and annexing various territories. Asked Shapiro: “[W]hen will President Obama change the name of the American Southwest to Aztlan?” The deeper one wandered into the conservative blogosphere and twitterverse, the uglier the messages became – about Obama’s anti-American views, his Muslim practices and his urge to defecate on his predecessors.

Actually, Obama is perfectly within his authority to make the change. If his opponents are really outraged, they can overrule him in Congress or they can elect a president who will change the name back. The problem with both of these is that Alaska, run by Republicans, want the name to be Denali and have been trying to make the change for decades. The Alaska delegations — Sens. Lisa Murkowski and Dan Sullivan and Rep. Don Young, Republicans all — heralded the move (even as Democratic Rep. Tim Ryan, who represents McKinley’s hometown, joined the opposition).

There’s also the small matter of conservatives claiming to support local control, and devolution of power; in this case, they’re demanding the federal government to continue to overrule a state’s wishes. A more ideologically consistent solution would be for the Ohioans to rename something of their own – say, Cincinnati or Columbus -- after McKinley. McKinley hadn’t even visited his eponymous peak, named for him by a prospector before McKinley was elected the 25th president.

More likely, the mountain will be added to other molehills of Obama overreach: Obamacare, the stimulus, Dodd Frank, the IRS, immigration, executive appointments and on and on. The common objection to all of these is less about what was done than who did it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...7d06c647a395_story.html?tid=pm_opinions_pop_b
This is the only really relevant part of that entire article, IMO:

There’s also the small matter of conservatives claiming to support local control, and devolution of power; in this case, they’re demanding the federal government to continue to overrule a state’s wishes.

Alaska is a very, very red/conservative state and they nearly unanimously have pushed for this change forever. If Republicans really believe in letting local leaders make local decisions, they will rush to support this change.
 
Maybe it was a political favor to map and globe makers.

In all honesty, I didn't even know it was named for the President. I always assumed it was named for its discoverer and it was just coincidental that a president had the same name.

Either way, the Alaskans call it Denali and that's good enough for me.
The really interesting thing is President McKinley never once stepped foot in Alaska. It's ludicrous the mountain ever got named McKinley.
 
I believe that Mount Denali will come up in conversation about as much as Mount McKinley did as soon as this thread dies out.

Good. I imagine you are right. It shouldn't bother you in the slightest then. The people most likely to have Denali come up in conversation (you know, Alaskans) seem to support the change. I don't see a problem with that.
 
I hope he changes the Washington DC airport name back to it's original name. Which was "Washington National Airport" aka "National."

And I'd like to see Cape Canaveral go back to Cape Kennedy.

Those earlier changes (to strip Kennedy of his due recognition for his role in America's space program and to glorify Reagan) were pissy partisan moves. They deserve to be undone.
 
I hope he changes the Washington DC airport name back to it's original name. Which was "Washington National Airport" aka "National."

And I'd like to see Cape Canaveral go back to Cape Kennedy.

Those earlier changes (to strip Kennedy of his due recognition for his role in America's space program and to glorify Reagan) were pissy partisan moves. They deserve to be undone.
Obama is really enjoying this trolling, I think.

I look forward to the renaming of the Eisenhower expressway in Chicago to the Biden Express. ;)
 
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Maybe it was a political favor to map and globe makers.
And to GM.

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Come now the Denali deniers.

President Obama’s conservative critics have long said there is no depth to which he will not sink in his zeal to trash the Constitution. Now, apparently, they also think there is no height to which he will not climb in that same effort.

Obama went to the very top this weekend – to 20,320 feet to be exact – and stripped North America’s highest peak of its official name of the last century, Mt. McKinley, returning it to what Alaskans had called it for centuries: Denali, or Great One.

Obama’s opponents immediately condemned him for acting like a dictator, taking unconstitutional action, overstepping his authority, engaging in a partisan stunt and, of course, exhibiting racial animus. President William McKinley, after all, was a white guy. And, um, the mountain itself is mostly white.

“I hope my colleagues will join with me in stopping this constitutional overreach,” proclaimed Rep. Bob Gibbs (R-Ohio), vowing to work with the House natural resources committee to reverse Obama. “President Obama has decided to ignore an Act of Congress in unilaterally renaming Mount McKinley in order to promote his job-killing war on energy. This political stunt is insulting to all Ohioans.”

Mount McKinley to be renamed Denali
Play Video1:03
President Obama is going to restore Denali as the name of Alaska's Mount McKinley, siding with the state of Alaska in ending a 40-year battle over the name of the peak. (Reuters)
Former Rep. Ralph Regula, also from McKinley’s home state of Ohio, asserted to the Columbus Dispatch that Obama “thinks he is a dictator and he can change the law.” Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) saw it as “yet another example of the president going around Congress,” while Rep. Mike Turner (R-Ohio) scolded Obama for moving to “undermine a prior act of Congress.” Ohio Gov. John Kasich, a GOP presidential candidate, tweeted that “POTUS once again oversteps his bounds,” and House Speaker John Boehner, from Ohio, pronounced himself “deeply disappointed.”

It wasn’t just a provincial dispute. Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), on Fox News, thought the move might have something to do with McKinley being Republican. “People feel like this president is constantly trying to, like, stick it in our eye, and put his thumb in our eye.” The conservative website Gateway Pundit posted an item titled “Obama Renames Mt. McKinley (Named After Some White Guy) to Denali.”

At the conservative outlet Breitbart.com, Ben Shapiro asked, “Why did Obama choose to change the name now? Presumably because Obama has now solved all the world’s problems, and decided against his second choice, Mt. Trayvon.” Shapiro said a “more serious” explanation was that Obama “opposes the legacy of President McKinley,” which includes the Spanish-American war and annexing various territories. Asked Shapiro: “[W]hen will President Obama change the name of the American Southwest to Aztlan?” The deeper one wandered into the conservative blogosphere and twitterverse, the uglier the messages became – about Obama’s anti-American views, his Muslim practices and his urge to defecate on his predecessors.

Actually, Obama is perfectly within his authority to make the change. If his opponents are really outraged, they can overrule him in Congress or they can elect a president who will change the name back. The problem with both of these is that Alaska, run by Republicans, want the name to be Denali and have been trying to make the change for decades. The Alaska delegations — Sens. Lisa Murkowski and Dan Sullivan and Rep. Don Young, Republicans all — heralded the move (even as Democratic Rep. Tim Ryan, who represents McKinley’s hometown, joined the opposition).

There’s also the small matter of conservatives claiming to support local control, and devolution of power; in this case, they’re demanding the federal government to continue to overrule a state’s wishes. A more ideologically consistent solution would be for the Ohioans to rename something of their own – say, Cincinnati or Columbus -- after McKinley. McKinley hadn’t even visited his eponymous peak, named for him by a prospector before McKinley was elected the 25th president.

More likely, the mountain will be added to other molehills of Obama overreach: Obamacare, the stimulus, Dodd Frank, the IRS, immigration, executive appointments and on and on. The common objection to all of these is less about what was done than who did it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...7d06c647a395_story.html?tid=pm_opinions_pop_b

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Obama is really enjoying this trolling, I think.

I look forward to the renaming of the Eisenhower expressway in Chicago to the Biden Express. ;)
One of the objections to renaming Washington National to Reagan National was that it removed one president's name in order to rename it after a successor.

Imagine the fun if the Dems ever get control of Congress again and rename Reagan National to Obama National. They set the precedent.
 
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Wow... and McKinley never owned slaves or displayed any overt white supremacy.

How about we switch-off months, 6 months it's Denali, 6 months it's McKinley. Or, we re-re-rename it "Mount Who-Gives-A-Sh*t." Mountains don't have "names" anyway! Only through the human filter does ANYTHING have a "name."

White people need to stop naming things. And, stop naming anything after a person. Sure as sh*t, in 100 years, the person it was named for will have stepped on a bug or opposed "Don't Call Me Fat" Day, or bothered someone whose sensitivities are out-of-whack, and the object in question will need to be renamed.
 
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Come now the Denali deniers.

President Obama’s conservative critics have long said there is no depth to which he will not sink in his zeal to trash the Constitution. Now, apparently, they also think there is no height to which he will not climb in that same effort.

Obama went to the very top this weekend – to 20,320 feet to be exact – and stripped North America’s highest peak of its official name of the last century, Mt. McKinley, returning it to what Alaskans had called it for centuries: Denali, or Great One.

Obama’s opponents immediately condemned him for acting like a dictator, taking unconstitutional action, overstepping his authority, engaging in a partisan stunt and, of course, exhibiting racial animus. President William McKinley, after all, was a white guy. And, um, the mountain itself is mostly white.

“I hope my colleagues will join with me in stopping this constitutional overreach,” proclaimed Rep. Bob Gibbs (R-Ohio), vowing to work with the House natural resources committee to reverse Obama. “President Obama has decided to ignore an Act of Congress in unilaterally renaming Mount McKinley in order to promote his job-killing war on energy. This political stunt is insulting to all Ohioans.”

Former Rep. Ralph Regula, also from McKinley’s home state of Ohio, asserted to the Columbus Dispatch that Obama “thinks he is a dictator and he can change the law.” Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) saw it as “yet another example of the president going around Congress,” while Rep. Mike Turner (R-Ohio) scolded Obama for moving to “undermine a prior act of Congress.” Ohio Gov. John Kasich, a GOP presidential candidate, tweeted that “POTUS once again oversteps his bounds,” and House Speaker John Boehner, from Ohio, pronounced himself “deeply disappointed.”

It wasn’t just a provincial dispute. Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), on Fox News, thought the move might have something to do with McKinley being Republican. “People feel like this president is constantly trying to, like, stick it in our eye, and put his thumb in our eye.” The conservative website Gateway Pundit posted an item titled “Obama Renames Mt. McKinley (Named After Some White Guy) to Denali.”

At the conservative outlet Breitbart.com, Ben Shapiro asked, “Why did Obama choose to change the name now? Presumably because Obama has now solved all the world’s problems, and decided against his second choice, Mt. Trayvon.” Shapiro said a “more serious” explanation was that Obama “opposes the legacy of President McKinley,” which includes the Spanish-American war and annexing various territories. Asked Shapiro: “[W]hen will President Obama change the name of the American Southwest to Aztlan?” The deeper one wandered into the conservative blogosphere and twitterverse, the uglier the messages became – about Obama’s anti-American views, his Muslim practices and his urge to defecate on his predecessors.

Actually, Obama is perfectly within his authority to make the change. If his opponents are really outraged, they can overrule him in Congress or they can elect a president who will change the name back. The problem with both of these is that Alaska, run by Republicans, want the name to be Denali and have been trying to make the change for decades. The Alaska delegations — Sens. Lisa Murkowski and Dan Sullivan and Rep. Don Young, Republicans all — heralded the move (even as Democratic Rep. Tim Ryan, who represents McKinley’s hometown, joined the opposition).

There’s also the small matter of conservatives claiming to support local control, and devolution of power; in this case, they’re demanding the federal government to continue to overrule a state’s wishes. A more ideologically consistent solution would be for the Ohioans to rename something of their own – say, Cincinnati or Columbus -- after McKinley. McKinley hadn’t even visited his eponymous peak, named for him by a prospector before McKinley was elected the 25th president.

More likely, the mountain will be added to other molehills of Obama overreach: Obamacare, the stimulus, Dodd Frank, the IRS, immigration, executive appointments and on and on. The common objection to all of these is less about what was done than who did it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...7d06c647a395_story.html?tid=pm_opinions_pop_b
The conservative movement and its partisan gibberish. Good times.
 
The GOP is in a state of confusion because they just can't decide to keep going after Obama, who no longer gives a shit what they think, or Hillary and the e-mail thing. I do believe BO is truly TRYING to tork off the right. And he's succeeding brilliantly.

No one in this country believes any of the GOP are trying to help our nation. The secret became public knowledge when McConnell let it slip that the Republicans sole goal after the 2008 general election was to make sure Obama was a one term Prez. And when they failed yet again on another goal... they became entrenched in the idea that their next goal was to make every effort to try and tarnish his second tem by becoming the Party of No.

Pretty easy to see why the voting public hates the GOP in Presidential elections. That's why even a "damaged" Hillary likely still beats any chump the Republicans put on the ballot. Fox News knows this, Rove/Limbaugh/Hannity know this, and Priebus knows this.
 
For fun: Who can identify the highest peak in the contiguous US. Give its location, native name and origin of its current name? Without looking it up of course.

I could identify and locate it, but had to look up the latter questions.
 
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