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This is Fran's 10th season at Iowa. In 7 of those seasons his team never gave up 100 points to anyone. This is the 3rd season in which his team gave up 100 points to 2 different teams. So lets complain, bitch and moan and demand changes be made. Something has to be done.
A highly popular Iowa coach was here for 13 seasons. His teams gave up 100 points 23 times in 8 different seasons, with high water marks of 127, 120, 119, 118, and 118. Fran gave up 108 once and other than that his worse was 104. People loved that coach. They didn't care that in one season his teams gave up over 100 points six times and twice his teams gave up over 100 four times in a season.
A highly unpopular coach here gave up 100 points just once in his 8 years here, but we hated him.
Then we got the worse coach Iowa ever has had and he never gave up 100 points in a game during his 3 seasons here. Thankfully he is gone.
However, maybe we need him back. What do you say, fans?
 
This is Fran's 10th season at Iowa. In 7 of those seasons his team never gave up 100 points to anyone. This is the 3rd season in which his team gave up 100 points to 2 different teams. So lets complain, bitch and moan and demand changes be made. Something has to be done.
A highly popular Iowa coach was here for 13 seasons. His teams gave up 100 points 23 times in 8 different seasons, with high water marks of 127, 120, 119, 118, and 118. Fran gave up 108 once and other than that his worse was 104. People loved that coach. They didn't care that in one season his teams gave up over 100 points six times and twice his teams gave up over 100 four times in a season.
A highly unpopular coach here gave up 100 points just once in his 8 years here, but we hated him.
Then we got the worse coach Iowa ever has had and he never gave up 100 points in a game during his 3 seasons here. Thankfully he is gone.
However, maybe we need him back. What do you say, fans?

Sleep it off.
 
This is Fran's 10th season at Iowa. In 7 of those seasons his team never gave up 100 points to anyone. This is the 3rd season in which his team gave up 100 points to 2 different teams. So lets complain, bitch and moan and demand changes be made. Something has to be done.
A highly popular Iowa coach was here for 13 seasons. His teams gave up 100 points 23 times in 8 different seasons, with high water marks of 127, 120, 119, 118, and 118. Fran gave up 108 once and other than that his worse was 104. People loved that coach. They didn't care that in one season his teams gave up over 100 points six times and twice his teams gave up over 100 four times in a season.
A highly unpopular coach here gave up 100 points just once in his 8 years here, but we hated him.
Then we got the worse coach Iowa ever has had and he never gave up 100 points in a game during his 3 seasons here. Thankfully he is gone.
However, maybe we need him back. What do you say, fans?
You dumb
 
This is Fran's 10th season at Iowa. In 7 of those seasons his team never gave up 100 points to anyone. This is the 3rd season in which his team gave up 100 points to 2 different teams. So lets complain, bitch and moan and demand changes be made. Something has to be done.
A highly popular Iowa coach was here for 13 seasons. His teams gave up 100 points 23 times in 8 different seasons, with high water marks of 127, 120, 119, 118, and 118. Fran gave up 108 once and other than that his worse was 104. People loved that coach. They didn't care that in one season his teams gave up over 100 points six times and twice his teams gave up over 100 four times in a season.
A highly unpopular coach here gave up 100 points just once in his 8 years here, but we hated him.
Then we got the worse coach Iowa ever has had and he never gave up 100 points in a game during his 3 seasons here. Thankfully he is gone.
However, maybe we need him back. What do you say, fans?

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Do you have a problem with words? Can you point out anything that I said that was wrong? If you can't address any specifics and have a discussion like an intelligent adult you should just F' off. Many of us have already raised our children and don't need be dealing with adolescents here.
 

You said maybe we need Lickliter to come back. I answered. Pretty simple.

F off? Really? Who is the adolescent here?

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This is Fran's 10th season at Iowa. In 7 of those seasons his team never gave up 100 points to anyone. This is the 3rd season in which his team gave up 100 points to 2 different teams. So lets complain, bitch and moan and demand changes be made. Something has to be done.
A highly popular Iowa coach was here for 13 seasons. His teams gave up 100 points 23 times in 8 different seasons, with high water marks of 127, 120, 119, 118, and 118. Fran gave up 108 once and other than that his worse was 104. People loved that coach. They didn't care that in one season his teams gave up over 100 points six times and twice his teams gave up over 100 four times in a season.
A highly unpopular coach here gave up 100 points just once in his 8 years here, but we hated him.
Then we got the worse coach Iowa ever has had and he never gave up 100 points in a game during his 3 seasons here. Thankfully he is gone.
However, maybe we need him back. What do you say, fans?

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You said maybe we need Lickliter to come back. I answered. Pretty simple.

F off? Really? Who is the adolescent here?
It might help you to use words and not just pictures. I didn't understand that you were replying to ONLY that question and I construed your reply to be at the whole post that I made. So, what you claim to be simple was very poor communication. The only thing simple here, is you.
 
Rollie Williams (coached 14 seasons, mostly in the 1930's) is the only other Iowa head coach in history to have a tenure as long as Fran's (specifically, >6 seasons) and have no B1G Championships, B1G Tourney Championships or Sweet 16 appearances. Your numbers are undeniable, but you know darn well there is a lot more to it than what you're presenting. Don't make it sound like the job Fran has done is above criticism, including some awful defensive games this year.
 
It might help you to use words and not just pictures. I didn't understand that you were replying to ONLY that question and I construed your reply to be at the whole post that I made. So, what you claim to be simple was very poor communication. The only thing simple here, is you.

Your rambling post included one question - However, maybe we need him back. What do you say, fans?

I answered it. Simple. Sorry you missed it. :)

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Your rambling post included one question - However, maybe we need him back. What do you say, fans?

I answered it. Simple. Sorry you missed it. :)
Again, how was I supposed to know that you were replying to that question, which was a f'ing hypothetical question, or that you were aiming your post at my post. Using words helps and I would not have ''missed it''.
 
Again, how was I supposed to know that you were replying to that question, which was a f'ing hypothetical question, or that you were aiming your post at my post. Using words helps and I would not have ''missed it''.

The entire post wasn't good, sorry. But specifically, your question was really bad. No one ... and I mean no one wants Lickliter back at Iowa. Plus, he has a job.

There. How's that for simple? :)

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Rollie Williams (coached 14 seasons, mostly in the 1930's) is the only other Iowa head coach in history to have a tenure as long as Fran's (specifically, >6 seasons) and have no B1G Championships, B1G Tourney Championships or Sweet 16 appearances. Your numbers are undeniable, but you know darn well there is a lot more to it than what you're presenting. Don't make it sound like the job Fran has done is above criticism, including some awful defensive games this year.
You're right. Now list all the coaches who have and who have not won a Big Ten Championship at Iowa whether it was for the season or the tournament. Sweet Sixteens, although nice, just don't seem to be as special as those conference championships. All a sweet sixteen requires is a decent seed and one nice win which may be made easier by an upset in your bracket. Sometimes, you don't even have to beat a top 25 team. I believe that you added that criteria so Davis would qualify and it must have been painful to include the conference tourney championship criteria that than excluded Alford from Rollie and Fran. Next we need a head coach named Kukla and then you'd be able to sit criteria that would only include Kukla, Fran and Rollie.
 
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The entire post wasn't good, sorry. But specifically, your question was really bad. No one ... and I mean no one wants Lickliter back at Iowa. Plus, he has a job.

There. How's that for simple? :)
You have heard to saying about putting lipstick on a pig, right? That applies to trying to get you to understand that you failed to properly communicate. Granted, I misunderstood your reply. I have already admitted that. The thing is that whenever someone misunderstands a communication, the blame is on whoever was doing the communication. And, not using words increases the chances that misunderstandings will occur.
Tell me, what did I say that made you think that I wanted Lick back when I said, '' Then we got the worse coach Iowa ever has had and he never gave up 100 points in a game during his 3 seasons here. Thankfully he is gone.
However, maybe we need him back. What do you say, fans?''
My fault that you didn't understand that was a hypothetical question, however, you did realize that no one wants him back, and that should have been a clue that answering that ''question'' wasn't necessary. It was aimed at those fans who continually rag on Fran about our defense. I'll own that, anyway but at least I used words.
 
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This is Fran's 10th season at Iowa. In 7 of those seasons his team never gave up 100 points to anyone. This is the 3rd season in which his team gave up 100 points to 2 different teams. So lets complain, bitch and moan and demand changes be made. Something has to be done.
A highly popular Iowa coach was here for 13 seasons. His teams gave up 100 points 23 times in 8 different seasons, with high water marks of 127, 120, 119, 118, and 118. Fran gave up 108 once and other than that his worse was 104. People loved that coach. They didn't care that in one season his teams gave up over 100 points six times and twice his teams gave up over 100 four times in a season.
A highly unpopular coach here gave up 100 points just once in his 8 years here, but we hated him.
Then we got the worse coach Iowa ever has had and he never gave up 100 points in a game during his 3 seasons here. Thankfully he is gone.
However, maybe we need him back. What do you say, fans?
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You have heard to saying about putting lipstick on a pig, right? That applies to trying to get you to understand that you failed to properly communicate. Granted, I misunderstood your reply. I have already admitted that. The thing is that whenever someone misunderstands a communication, the blame is on whoever was doing the communication. And, not using words increases the chances that misunderstandings will occur.
Tell me, what did I say that made you think that I wanted Lick back when I said, '' Then we got the worse coach Iowa ever has had and he never gave up 100 points in a game during his 3 seasons here. Thankfully he is gone.
However, maybe we need him back. What do you say, fans?''
My fault that you didn't understand that was a hypothetical question, however, you did realize that no one wants him back, and that should have been a clue that answering that ''question'' wasn't necessary. It was aimed at those fans who continually rag on Fran about our defense. I'll own that, anyway but at least I used words.

Dude ... it's OK. Not everyone makes a good post every time ... Players have bad games too. Get 'em next time!

By the way, you also don't know how to quote posts. It's OK. It happens to the best posters too. :)

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Dude ... it's OK. Not everyone makes a good post every time ... Players have bad games too. Get 'em next time!

By the way, you also don't know how to quote posts. It's OK. It happens to the best posters too. :)
Yes, I know how to quote posts. Obviously, you must have noticed that I quoted before in this very thread. I always delete the huge photos that make scrolling down a page a nuisance. . But, in your mind, you are always right.
 
Yes, I know how to quote posts. Obviously, you must have noticed that I quoted before in this very thread. I always delete the huge photos that make scrolling down a page a nuisance. . But, in your mind, you are always right.

Looks like you edited your post ... :)

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It wasn't because I didn't know how to posts quotes now was it. Does your playmate know that you post her picture on the internet? You are a simple minded guy.

Considering your OP, I will take that as a compliment! :)

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This is Fran's 10th season at Iowa. In 7 of those seasons his team never gave up 100 points to anyone. This is the 3rd season in which his team gave up 100 points to 2 different teams. So lets complain, bitch and moan and demand changes be made. Something has to be done.
A highly popular Iowa coach was here for 13 seasons. His teams gave up 100 points 23 times in 8 different seasons, with high water marks of 127, 120, 119, 118, and 118. Fran gave up 108 once and other than that his worse was 104. People loved that coach. They didn't care that in one season his teams gave up over 100 points six times and twice his teams gave up over 100 four times in a season.
A highly unpopular coach here gave up 100 points just once in his 8 years here, but we hated him.
Then we got the worse coach Iowa ever has had and he never gave up 100 points in a game during his 3 seasons here. Thankfully he is gone.
However, maybe we need him back. What do you say, fans?

Huh? Look at the big picture...this is an NCAA tourney team with the potential (likely) NPOY. What you talkin bout, Willis?
 
You're right. Now list all the coaches who have and who have not won a Big Ten Championship at Iowa whether it was for the season or the tournament.

Ok.

Haves -
Sam Barry (2 titles in 7 seasons)
Pops Harrison (1 title in 7 seasons)
Bucky O'Connor (2 titles and 2 Final Fours in 7 seasons)
Ralph Miller (2 titles, 1 Sweet 16 in 6 seasons)
Lute Olson (1 title, 1 Sweet 16, 1 Final Four in 9 seasons)
Steve Alford (2 BTT championships in 8 seasons)

Have Nots -
Rollie Williams - 0 for 14
Sharm Sheuerman - 0 for 6
Dick Shultz - 0 for 4
George Raveling - 0 for 3
Tom Davis - 0 for 13, but had 1 Elite Eight and 2 Sweet 16s)
Lick - 3 miserable seasons
Fran - So far 0 for 9, final stats TBD

Not sure what your point is, except to confirm that I'm right. I'm sure many could argue that Davis belongs in the "Haves" and Alford in the "Have Nots" as far as Iowa coaches go, but this is your list, which doesn't refute anything I said.

Sweet Sixteens, although nice, just don't seem to be as special as those conference championships. All a sweet sixteen requires is a decent seed and one nice win which may be made easier by an upset in your bracket. Sometimes, you don't even have to beat a top 25 team. I believe that you added that criteria so Davis would qualify and it must have been painful to include the conference tourney championship criteria that than excluded Alford from Rollie and Fran. Next we need a head coach named Kukla and then you'd be able to sit criteria that would only include Kukla, Fran and Rollie.

Again I really don't know what the point of all this gibberish is, but if you're suggesting that what I posted is more cherry-picked and less relevant than your drivel about 100-point games, I don't think you're smart enough to argue with.
 
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Ok.

Haves -
Sam Barry (2 titles in 7 seasons)
Pops Harrison (1 title in 7 seasons)
Bucky O'Connor (2 titles and 2 Final Fours in 7 seasons)
Ralph Miller (2 titles, 1 Sweet 16 in 6 seasons)
Lute Olson (1 title, 1 Sweet 16, 1 Final Four in 9 seasons)
Steve Alford (2 BTT championships in 8 seasons)

Have Nots -
Rollie Williams - 0 for 14
Sharm Sheuerman - 0 for 6
Dick Shultz - 0 for 4
George Raveling - 0 for 3
Tom Davis - 0 for 13, but had 1 Elite Eight and 2 Sweet 16s)
Lick - 3 miserable seasons
Fran - So far 0 for 9, final stats TBD

Not sure what your point is, except to confirm that I'm right. I'm sure many could argue that Davis belongs in the "Haves" and Alford in the "Have Nots" as far as Iowa coaches go, but this is your list, which doesn't refute anything I said.



Again I really don't know what the point of all this gibberish is, but if you're suggesting that what I posted is more cherry-picked and less relevant than your drivel about 100-point games, I don't think you're smart enough to argue with.
First, you need to quit talking mean to me because that gives Hawkrugged17 a stiffy and then he can't reply. Second, I just showed you that numbers lie and liars use numbers. You did your best to paint Fran in a bad light pairing him up to just one other coach in history by using your criteria. How about using this criteria; which Iowa coaches have gone at least 10 seasons without a conference championship or a Sweet Sixteen? Well, what do you know, that would be Rollie Williams and Tom Davis and no one else.
Davis belongs in the haves according to you, but in his last eleven years at Iowa all he accomplished was one sweet sixteen and nothing else and that was 11 years after his previous Sweet Sixteen. You see what I did there? And, everyone knows how he got his other sweet sixteen and we all know how he blew an 18 point lead and lost our chance at a Final Four, both of those games were with Ravelings recruits. It was a long draught in between. But, Davis is with the haves. Sorry, not sorry.
The point of my gibberish about 100 point games is evidently beyond your intelligence and you certainly are a waste of my time.
 
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This is Fran's 10th season at Iowa. In 7 of those seasons his team never gave up 100 points to anyone. This is the 3rd season in which his team gave up 100 points to 2 different teams. So lets complain, bitch and moan and demand changes be made. Something has to be done.
A highly popular Iowa coach was here for 13 seasons. His teams gave up 100 points 23 times in 8 different seasons, with high water marks of 127, 120, 119, 118, and 118. Fran gave up 108 once and other than that his worse was 104. People loved that coach. They didn't care that in one season his teams gave up over 100 points six times and twice his teams gave up over 100 four times in a season.
A highly unpopular coach here gave up 100 points just once in his 8 years here, but we hated him.
Then we got the worse coach Iowa ever has had and he never gave up 100 points in a game during his 3 seasons here. Thankfully he is gone.
However, maybe we need him back. What do you say, fans?

Hypothetical question? or rhetorical?
 
How many accounts do you think CyTwins has? Simple question, like, 25? Laying in the weeds, “ I’ll use my crazy one for this one“, mohahahaha.
 
First, you need to quit talking mean to me because that gives Hawkrugged17 a stiffy and then he can't reply. Second, I just showed you that numbers lie and liars use numbers. You did your best to paint Fran in a bad light pairing him up to just one other coach in history by using your criteria. How about using this criteria; which Iowa coaches have gone at least 10 seasons without a conference championship or a Sweet Sixteen? Well, what do you know, that would be Rollie Williams and Tom Davis and no one else.
Davis belongs in the haves according to you, but in his last eleven years at Iowa all he accomplished was one sweet sixteen and nothing else and that was 11 years after his previous Sweet Sixteen. You see what I did there? And, everyone knows how he got his other sweet sixteen and we all know how he blew an 18 point lead and lost our chance at a Final Four, both of those games were with Ravelings recruits. It was a long draught in between. But, Davis is with the haves. Sorry, not sorry.
The point of my gibberish about 100 point games is evidently beyond your intelligence and you certainly are a waste of my time.

Stiffy :) Boy, you really told me! And the one thing you got right was ...

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First, you need to quit talking mean to me because that gives Hawkrugged17 a stiffy and then he can't reply. Second, I just showed you that numbers lie and liars use numbers. You did your best to paint Fran in a bad light pairing him up to just one other coach in history by using your criteria. How about using this criteria; which Iowa coaches have gone at least 10 seasons without a conference championship or a Sweet Sixteen? Well, what do you know, that would be Rollie Williams and Tom Davis and no one else.
Davis belongs in the haves according to you, but in his last eleven years at Iowa all he accomplished was one sweet sixteen and nothing else and that was 11 years after his previous Sweet Sixteen. You see what I did there? And, everyone knows how he got his other sweet sixteen and we all know how he blew an 18 point lead and lost our chance at a Final Four, both of those games were with Ravelings recruits. It was a long draught in between. But, Davis is with the haves. Sorry, not sorry.
The point of my gibberish about 100 point games is evidently beyond your intelligence and you certainly are a waste of my time.

You have over 6400 posts and less than 600 likes. I think that gives everyone an idea of the wisdom you bring to this board.

I swear I've read all your posts multiple times and I still can't figure out the point you're trying to make. It sounds like you're a Fran supporter and Tom Davis hater, which might make you the only one on earth. I think you're making a feeble attempt to show that giving up 100 points is not a good measure of a coach, but then you use it as arsenal against Davis. I think you also suggested somewhere in there that making the Sweet 16 is not that hard and not a very big deal, which is odd considering Iowa has been there only once the past 30 years (under Davis). I presented facts, just like you, but for some reason mine are misleading but yours tell the whole story.

I think you need a break from this board. I know everyone here would appreciate it.
 
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You have over 6400 posts and less than 600 likes. I think that gives everyone an idea of the wisdom you bring to this board.

I swear I've read all your posts multiple times and I still can't figure out the point you're trying to make. It sounds like you're a Fran supporter and Tom Davis hater, which might make you the only one on earth. I think you're making a feeble attempt to show that giving up 100 points is not a good measure of a coach, but then you use it as arsenal against Davis. I think you also suggested somewhere in there that making the Sweet 16 is not that hard and not a very big deal, which is odd considering Iowa has been there only once the past 30 years (under Davis). I presented facts, just like you, but for some reason mine are misleading but yours tell the whole story.

I think you need a break from this board. I know everyone here would appreciate it.
Wow, who the f' made you GOD of this board? Your post just might be the most arrogant post that I have ever read on this board.
First, let me address your statement about likes received. My number of messages was close to 4000 before you could even designate that you liked a post on this board. I had even once dropped off this board for several years and then started over in 2006 and then I stopped posting again for several years. I was disgusted at the behavior of many on this board who went to the New Mexico board to trash Alford. Who does that? No one with any decency, civility or maturity would do that.
And, I don't post to get likes. I don't jump on someone and trash them so all the other haters can pile on and like me like you and Hawkrugged17 have done here. I often take a contrary position to the idiots that frequent this board and make it almost unreadable. Actually, I was educated BEFORE the commies took control of the educational system in America and much of the attitudes and opinions by the young commies here tends to piss me off.
The fact that you can not understand the point that I made just might be a reflection on you. We had just given up 89 points to Indiana and a week prior we had given up 104 points to Purdue. Earlier we had given up 103 to Michigan. Despite the fact that Iowa is enjoying a season beyond expectations based on such a depleted roster there are some who continue to harp about a lack of defense and put that blame on Fran. I merely pointed out that some of our most loved coaches allowed more 100 point games than Fran has while some of our less loved, to the point of hated coaches gave up less 100 point games than those coaches that are held in high esteem here. The sky doesn't fall just because the other team gets really hot shooting at the wrong time for Iowa. Ragging on Iowa's defense is just the entitled people trying to find another reason to trash Fran.
The reason that your facts are different then mine is that you, as I demonstrated, cherry picked your facts to fit your opinion. Yes you did. You cherry picked the criteria to be able to show that Fran and only one other coach had failed to achieve the criteria that you set. I just used one criteria for everyone. Who gave up , and how many times did they give up, 100 point games during their careers. That is a simple criteria. No cherry picking. It was at the heart of the subject regarding our defense. However, I was easily able to manipulate your guidelines to show that Dr. Tom and Rollie Williams just might have been the 2 most unsuccessful coaches at Iowa by using your formula which you used to show that Fran was one of the least successful coaches at Iowa. If you can not understand why your comparisons are misleading, you might want to check your gene pool.
Last, I have a solution for you regarding my posting here. It, like you, is simple. It is easier than not reading my messages. All you have to do is block me and, Voila, it is like I don't exist.
And, hey, you have no idea what everyone here thinks and only a f'ing idiot would think that they do.
 
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Ok.

Haves -
Sam Barry (2 titles in 7 seasons)
Pops Harrison (1 title in 7 seasons)
Bucky O'Connor (2 titles and 2 Final Fours in 7 seasons)
Ralph Miller (2 titles, 1 Sweet 16 in 6 seasons)
Lute Olson (1 title, 1 Sweet 16, 1 Final Four in 9 seasons)
Steve Alford (2 BTT championships in 8 seasons)

Have Nots -
Rollie Williams - 0 for 14
Sharm Sheuerman - 0 for 6
Dick Shultz - 0 for 4
George Raveling - 0 for 3
Tom Davis - 0 for 13, but had 1 Elite Eight and 2 Sweet 16s)
Lick - 3 miserable seasons
Fran - So far 0 for 9, final stats TBD

Not sure what your point is, except to confirm that I'm right. I'm sure many could argue that Davis belongs in the "Haves" and Alford in the "Have Nots" as far as Iowa coaches go, but this is your list, which doesn't refute anything I said.



Again I really don't know what the point of all this gibberish is, but if you're suggesting that what I posted is more cherry-picked and less relevant than your drivel about 100-point games, I don't think you're smart enough to argue with.
I like your post. Good points, except I would put Dr. Tom in the haves column. People underestimate the quality of recruits he brought in because he did so well in his first year with George’ recruits, a top 5 class. Settles, Street, AC, Kingsbery, Ryan Bowen, Matt Bullard, Ricky Davis, Dean Oliver, Joey Range.... these were great players. Joey was a top 30 prospect when he joined Iowa. Unfortunately, Dr. Tom’s recruiting legacy is defined by people he lost to programs like Kansas and NC, which I never thought was fare. Dr. Tom changed the face of Big 10 basketball. Older folks like me remember how it used to be slow, no pressure, low scoring... I remembers back then tv commentators talking about his impact on the game. At one time, Dr. Tom was the top runner to take the Kentucky job, but he pulled his name out. He said, ”thank you, but Iowa is taking a very good care of me.” It is truly unfortunate that he didn’t win a BIG championship or didn’t make the final 4, with almost 600 career wins. He’s the 39th winningest coach in ncaa history, and I think he should be a hall-of-farmer, although I don’t think it will happen for reasons both of us highlighted. He is a class act. Personally, I will always be a big fan of his.
 
Good Lord, mtown66....We'll get off your lawn. Just give us our basketball back.
I never took your basketball. I try to keep our basketball from fools and idiots who whine and complain depending on the outcome of an individual game. Our basketball is the present and I stick up for the present because of how it compares to the past, but, I'll not cherry pick the criteria to do that like MeettheFerentz does. That would be intellectually dishonest just like his name is. My initial point was that giving up a lot of points in one game is not an indication of a coaches success. My mistake was that I forget just how butt hurt the Tom Davis fans are. Good thing that I didn't use the criteria asking how many basketball coaches at Iowa ever coached a team that shaved points for the mob. Guess who that would be?
 
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Dr. Tom's team never had a chance at a BTT, those were not available until Alford.
Dr. Tom is a have's coach
9-0 1st rnd wins
2 sweet 16 finishes
1 Elite 8 finish.

as for Fran he took over a program that was coming off a 3 year stretch where Iowa won just 15 games, 11 seasons of just 3 BT seasons of .500 or better seasons and 3 NCAAT with just 1 win.

Iowa was a balzing inferno of a waste dump when he took over. he not only had to rebuild the BB team but also give the fans a reason to come back.
the fans are back top 100 and the rare top 50 players are STARTING TO LOOK at Iowa even visit, the break thru was when top 50 Woodbury stayed home vs going to UNC
next it was when Cook #38 by ESPN chose Iowa over Kansas.

now he is getting kids out of NYC, Washington DC and Chicago. places that had been foriegn to Iowa before, Chicago had closed its door to Iowa coaches 1st because of Pearle
SA got Freeman but it was slammed shut when Lick ran off Freeman.

now Fran has managed to get these out of Chicago
Moss out of Simeon a school no coach has got a player out of
Hutton out of De La Salle HS
Ulis out of Marion Catholic HS

kinda like the Chicago and NYC connection going forward.
 
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