New FLO rankings

[rossel 33]

Iowa doesn't look that great on paper, being ranked 9th overall. Assuming Lee and Warner RS, Iowa will have difficulty cracking the top 5. If Downey gets in there, that would help.

PSU, tOSU, Mich, Okla St, Missou and Ariz St all have more and higher ranked guys.

Interesting P4P. Iowa has only one - Sorenson in the top 20, at #17. PSU gonna be tough to beat, with 5 guys ranked in top 10 - Retherford #2, Nolf #3, Nickal #4, Joseph #8, and Hall #10. Seems tOSU is the only one who could upend PSU.

http://www.flowrestling.org/ranking/3061-zahid-moves-up-cruz-drops-back/2017-11-06/p4p

 

[LaxHawk174]

Iowa doesn't look that great on paper, being ranked 9th overall. Assuming Lee and Warner RS, Iowa will have difficulty cracking the top 5. If Downey gets in there, that would help.

PSU, tOSU, Mich, Okla St, Missou and Ariz St all have more and higher ranked guys.

Interesting P4P. Iowa has only one - Sorenson in the top 20, at #17. PSU gonna be tough to beat, with 5 guys ranked in top 10 - Retherford #2, Nolf #3, Nickal #4, Joseph #8, and Hall #10. Seems tOSU is the only one who could upend PSU.

http://www.flowrestling.org/ranking/3061-zahid-moves-up-cruz-drops-back/2017-11-06/p4p

Even with Lee, Murin, Lugo, and Warner on redshirt I think the lineup has the firepower to contend with Michigan and Okie state for 3rd thru 5th.

Stickley
Glynn/Laux
Turk
Sorensen
Kemerer
Marinelli
Gunther/Young
PD3
Wilcke
Stoll

I see 3 finalists in Sorensen, Kemerer, and Downey. With Mid to High AA contenders in Marinelli and Stoll (3rd-6th). Wilcke being a low to mid AA contender in a weak weight class, and a year improved. And 141 + 174 being R16-Low AA guys. 133 is R16ish and I think similar for 125. Neither 125 or 133 is crazy deep past the initial AA contenders. Will be interesting to see how the lightweight situation develops over the course of the season. I have flip flopped a few times already this off season on whether I personally think Lee should RS or not and right now im kind of leaning with shirt the big class and unleash them all next year. Especially because I think the team will surpass 'expectations' and contend for a team trophy even with Studs on redshirt. With the field being as tough as it is this year, and it getting a bit easier next year it may be the wiser tactical approach to go all in next year with a :
Lee
Stickley/Glynn
Murin/Turk
Lugo
Kemerer
Marinelli
Gunther/Young
Wilcke
Warner
Stoll

I like that lineups chances against any team in the country.

 

[TarpHawk]

This is why we need Downey. 9th is a terrible precedent to set. We do not want to go there. Downey alone claws us back to 5th.

As for the P4P...no surprises...just reinforces the fact that Iowa has lacked top P4P studs for the past several years. Thank God that is changing.

I'm missing Gross right about now. Tell me again why he didn't get a second chance?

 

[1stplacehawk]

I'm missing Gross right about now. Tell me again why he didn't get a second chance?

Because he didn't feel like taking responsibility for his actions and earning one. In fairness to everyone involved, no one could have predicted he would become what he has. He didn't have any notable wins or results at that point.

 

[Gusaford]

Even with Lee, Murin, Lugo, and Warner on redshirt I think the lineup has the firepower to contend with Michigan and Okie state for 3rd thru 5th.

Stickley
Glynn/Laux
Turk
Sorensen
Kemerer
Marinelli
Gunther/Young
PD3
Wilcke
Stoll

I see 3 finalists in Sorensen, Kemerer, and Downey. With Mid to High AA contenders in Marinelli and Stoll (3rd-6th). Wilcke being a low to mid AA contender in a weak weight class, and a year improved. And 141 + 174 being R16-Low AA guys. 133 is R16ish and I think similar for 125. Neither 125 or 133 is crazy deep past the initial AA contenders. Will be interesting to see how the lightweight situation develops over the course of the season. I have flip flopped a few times already this off season on whether I personally think Lee should RS or not and right now im kind of leaning with shirt the big class and unleash them all next year. Especially because I think the team will surpass 'expectations' and contend for a team trophy even with Studs on redshirt. With the field being as tough as it is this year, and it getting a bit easier next year it may be the wiser tactical approach to go all in next year with a :
Lee
Stickley/Glynn
Murin/Turk
Lugo
Kemerer
Marinelli
Gunther/Young
Wilcke
Warner
Stoll

I like that lineups chances against any team in the country.

I agree with many of your assessments, and in particular, like you, I would not be surprised if Wilcke makes a really big move this year. It's a weak weight class outside the top 3. If Wilcke builds on his gains from late last year, he could definitely make the podium. More interesting is that 12 of the top 15 197 lbers are seniors. Warner should be right at the top of the pyramid next year.

 

[bnicolls]

Even with Lee, Murin, Lugo, and Warner on redshirt I think the lineup has the firepower to contend with Michigan and Okie state for 3rd thru 5th.

Stickley
Glynn/Laux
Turk
Sorensen
Kemerer
Marinelli
Gunther/Young
PD3
Wilcke
Stoll

I see 3 finalists in Sorensen, Kemerer, and Downey. With Mid to High AA contenders in Marinelli and Stoll (3rd-6th). Wilcke being a low to mid AA contender in a weak weight class, and a year improved. And 141 + 174 being R16-Low AA guys. 133 is R16ish and I think similar for 125. Neither 125 or 133 is crazy deep past the initial AA contenders. Will be interesting to see how the lightweight situation develops over the course of the season. I have flip flopped a few times already this off season on whether I personally think Lee should RS or not and right now im kind of leaning with shirt the big class and unleash them all next year. Especially because I think the team will surpass 'expectations' and contend for a team trophy even with Studs on redshirt. With the field being as tough as it is this year, and it getting a bit easier next year it may be the wiser tactical approach to go all in next year with a :
Lee
Stickley/Glynn
Murin/Turk
Lugo
Kemerer
Marinelli
Gunther/Young
Wilcke
Warner
Stoll

I like that lineups chances against any team in the country.

Agree with your thoughts, but think Lee will go this year and that Turk or whoever is the 141 will surprise us. I have not looked much at the bunch Wilcke will compete with at 197, but he sure looked good too. The "Stick" too was impressive.

I see 3rd for us, with an outside chance of 2nd.

The wrestle offs were exciting this past weekend. We got to see some of the young guys and how they can contribute. The other piece is having all weights covered by the HWC. That's invaluable for our guys.....invaluable.

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

Because he didn't feel like taking responsibility for his actions and earning one. In fairness to everyone involved, no one could have predicted he would become what he has. He didn't have any notable wins or results at that point.

Not that the coaches erred in their decision but he wouldn't have been the last guy to get a chance at Iowa that didn't accept responsibility for their actions.

 

[B1S3K3SC]

Not that the coaches erred in their decision but he wouldn't have been the last guy to get a chance at Iowa that didn't accept responsibility for their actions.

And that fact that Pat Freaking Downey is in the room now..

 

[west2east]

Because he didn't feel like taking responsibility for his actions and earning one. In fairness to everyone involved, no one could have predicted he would become what he has. He didn't have any notable wins or results at that point.

There's no doubt if he was tearing it up in the room they wouldve kept him.They didn't think the money they put into him was worth it at the time.Montell got in trouble multiple times and was giving chance after chance because they new he could win at a high level .At the time of the Gross incident they weren't sure he could win at a high level.

 

[1stplacehawk]

There's no doubt if he was tearing it up in the room they wouldve kept him.They didn't think the money they put into him was worth it at the time.Montell got in trouble multiple times and was giving chance after chance because they new he could win at a high level .At the time of the Gross incident they weren't sure he could win at a high level.

And he didn't make much of an effort to get back on the team anyway. Pretty much decided that he wanted to transfer.

 

[west2east]

And he didn't make much of an effort to get back on the team anyway. Pretty much decided that he wanted to transfer.

If he would've felt that they backed him and supported him I think he would've stayed.

 

[pumpdog20]

I could see a "significant" drop for PSU at 165. IMAR, Massa, Martsteller, and Isaiah White all have the talent to do better then VJ.

 

[6relpparg]

And he didn't make much of an effort to get back on the team anyway. Pretty much decided that he wanted to transfer.

Not many, if any, schools besides SDSU expressed interest either. Gross had said in interviews that he reached out to a lot of coaches and programs.

The jump Gross made at the end of his Freshman year to his Sophomore year was insane! No sure many would have predicted that rise.

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

And that fact that Pat Freaking Downey is in the room now..

That's what I was alluding to.

 

[artradley]

Not that the coaches erred in their decision but he wouldn't have been the last guy to get a chance at Iowa that didn't accept responsibility for their actions.

And that fact that Pat Freaking Downey is in the room now..

It's always seemed odd that it's more acceptable to given a "second chance" to athletes from other schools than those from your own school. Seems pretty universal and I've never understood it.

 

[PA Power]

Not many, if any, schools besides SDSU expressed interest either. Gross had said in interviews that he reached out to a lot of coaches and programs.

The jump Gross made at the end of his Freshman year to his Sophomore year was insane! No sure many would have predicted that rise.

You can thank AJ Schopp for that.

 

[PapaBearSLIM]

It's always seemed odd that it's more acceptable to given a "second chance" to athletes from other schools than those from your own school. Seems pretty universal and I've never understood it.

Fresh starts, new environments and a bit of coaches' egos.
It's that way for all sports at all levels. Sometimes it works and sometimes another coach/program provides a third chance.

 

[SPOONER]

It's always seemed odd that it's more acceptable to given a "second chance" to athletes from other schools than those from your own school. Seems pretty universal and I've never understood it.

You don't grasp the concept of wearing out one's welcome or needing a change of scenery?

 

[SPOONER]

I'm missing Gross right about now. Tell me again why he didn't get a second chance?

No way for me to prove this but I'm relatively sure you were one of the many (many) posters who had a low opinion of him when he was here. Slow feet...not great results...etc.

BTW, there are many examples of 2nd chances given at Iowa. Montell Marion is one. Another is Logan Ryan who got into trouble with Gross but came back to the team. As far as I can tell, as long as your crime wasn't too dastardly, as long as you are otherwise in good graces with the team and staff, and you want it, you can work your way back.

 

[HawkAlum2002]

It's always seemed odd that it's more acceptable to given a "second chance" to athletes from other schools than those from your own school. Seems pretty universal and I've never understood it.

It's why they use the term burning bridges. Lots of divorced people get remarried to someone, but very few back with their original spouse.

 

[TarpHawk]

No way for me to prove this but I'm relatively sure you were one of the many (many) posters who had a low opinion of him when he was here. Slow feet...not great results...etc.

BTW, there are many examples of 2nd chances given at Iowa. Montell Marion is one. Another is Logan Ryan who got into trouble with Gross but came back to the team. As far as I can tell, as long as your crime wasn't too dastardly, as long as you are otherwise in good graces with the team and staff, and you want it, you can work your way back.

I considered him yet another mid-tier recruit with a moderate ceiling, exemplifying Iowa's flawed recruiting strategy of signing multiple decent guys at the same weight (e.g. Carton, Ryan, Gross). He was #41 P4P recruit (D1CW), and had a 12-4 redshirt season record. His only signature win was over #18 Brock (IL), with losses to #50 Ryan Logan, #20 Heil, #16 Preston, and #34 Laster. I pegged him for a 1-time low AA. He was clearly no Hall or Nolf.

Something happened after he left Iowa (cough, Schopp, cough) that catapulted him to the top tier.

 

[SPOONER]

I considered him yet another mid-tier recruit with a moderate ceiling, exemplifying Iowa's flawed recruiting strategy of signing multiple decent guys at the same weight (e.g. Carton, Ryan, Gross). He was #41 P4P recruit (D1CW), and had a 12-4 redshirt season record. His only signature win was over #18 Brock (IL), with losses to #50 Ryan Logan, #20 Heil, #16 Preston, and #34 Laster. I pegged him for a 1-time low AA. He was clearly no Hall or Nolf.

Something happened after he left Iowa (cough, Schopp, cough) that catapulted him to the top tier.

Just pointing out that first people complained that he's here and now they are complaining he's not. Doesn't make sense.

 

[crhawkwrestling]

I considered him yet another mid-tier recruit with a moderate ceiling, exemplifying Iowa's flawed recruiting strategy of signing multiple decent guys at the same weight (e.g. Carton, Ryan, Gross). He was #41 P4P recruit (D1CW), and had a 12-4 redshirt season record. His only signature win was over #18 Brock (IL), with losses to #50 Ryan Logan, #20 Heil, #16 Preston, and #34 Laster. I pegged him for a 1-time low AA. He was clearly no Hall or Nolf.

Something happened after he left Iowa (cough, Schopp, cough) that catapulted him to the top tier.

Or he was wrestling up a weight during his red shirt and moved to 133 when he left Iowa.

 

[6relpparg]

Wrestled his first year at 141. Was only once he made 61k for junior trials that he thought he could make 133 during a college season.

 

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If he would've felt that they backed him and supported him I think he would've stayed.

And yet they "backed and supported" Logan Ryan who has since transferred out also? Ummm. OK.