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You couldn't make a living writing a book at the level these people operate because it would be too outlandish for anybody to buy it. Seriously. They go beyond science fiction. They absolutely refuse to let logic or common sense enter into the discussion.

Just consider one of many points: That the WTC buildings were brought down by explosions, like those outdated casinos we see razed in Las Vegas every so often. Even the wackiest conspiracy theorist will concede that this is a matter of precision -- where the charges are set, what power they have, etc., etc., etc. It takes a team of experts to plan the destruction of a 10-story building; the amount of planning and preparation requires to successfully bring down not one, but both, the towers is mind-boggling.

But let's assume that somehow the government, or whoever was in charge (since we KNOW it wasn't Muslim terrorists) had this expertise. Simple question: When did they plant the charges, and how did they do it in secret?

Whoops. Time to change the subject.....
No it's not actually you old ignorant wretch. You know America has so many problems right now? Because people like you are the ones teaching the youth in this country lies.
There was a very well documented shut down of facilities, in regards to the elevator shafts. Read up and learn.
 
And, they never need a shred of actual proof. In many instances the absence of proof is all the proof they need validate their conspiracies. You just can't win an argument with these folks. They are the same ones who decry the ineptitude of the federal government, but when it suits them will tell you with a straight face that scores of feds came together to plan, coordinate, carry out, then cover up a complex event.
Plus, crap like this recycles because it sells on the conspiracy circuit. There have been times when I've thought I could make a good living writing conspiracy books.
Nope the evidence is out there, your just refuse to listen. Fact.
 
Dense huh? And I suppose all the members of Congress who called the Commission a sham, that you just happened to gloss over, were wrong as well. You're too obtuse to ask yourself cui bono. The same war criminals who lied us into war and are still benefitting decades later, used this as a pretext to rally Boobus Americanus into going over 'there' (finger pointing to Middle East). So, almost 3,000 died on 9/11. So, let's go into the ME and lose over 8,000 and kill over a million. With all the history of false flags, you just want to believe. Like every school girl who was told by their boyfriends they loved them just to get in their pants.
Nat the problem is that these people who are so inclined to not even question this situation at all, are just plain ignorant and stupid. I've made a point to show all the evidence any normal person would need to see and it gets ignored.
It's simple we get it, they don't, and that's too bad for them. They will die with lies as beliefs. That's their problem.
 
And, they never need a shred of actual proof. In many instances the absence of proof is all the proof they need validate their conspiracies. You just can't win an argument with these folks. They are the same ones who decry the ineptitude of the federal government, but when it suits them will tell you with a straight face that scores of feds came together to plan, coordinate, carry out, then cover up a complex event.
Plus, crap like this recycles because it sells on the conspiracy circuit. There have been times when I've thought I could make a good living writing conspiracy books.
Did you really need proof when there is an admission to events in the past? Operation Northwoods was classified for almost 30 years. Anyway, here are things you will never hear on NPR:

Presidents, Prime Ministers, Congressmen, Generals, Spooks, Soldiers and Police ADMIT to False Flag Terror
Posted on March 18, 2015 by WashingtonsBlog
Not Theory … Admitted Fact
There are many documented false flag attacks, where a government carries out a terror attack … and then falsely blames its enemy for political purposes.

In the following instances, officials in the government which carried out the attack (or seriously proposed an attack) admit to it, either orally or in writing:

(8) The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950′s to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected prime minister.

(10) The British Prime Minister admitted to his defense secretary that he and American president Dwight Eisenhower approved a plan in 1957 to carry out attacks in Syria and blame it on the Syrian government as a way to effect regime change.

(13) Official State Department documents show that, in 1961, the head of the Joint Chiefs and other high-level officials discussed blowing up a consulate in the Dominican Republic in order to justify an invasion of that country. The plans were not carried out, but they were all discussed as serious proposals.

(14) As admitted by the U.S. government, recently declassified documents show that in 1962, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan to blow up AMERICAN airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. See the following ABC news report; the official documents; and watch this interview with the former Washington Investigative Producer for ABC’s World News Tonight with Peter Jennings.

(15) In 1963, the U.S. Department of Defense wrote a paper promoting attacks on nations within the Organization of American States – such as Trinidad-Tobago or Jamaica – and then falsely blaming them on Cuba.

(16) The U.S. Department of Defense even suggested covertly paying a person in the Castro government to attack the United States: “The only area remaining for consideration then would be to bribe one of Castro’s subordinate commanders to initiate an attack on Guantanamo.”

(17) The NSA admits that it lied about what really happened in the Gulf of Tonkin incident in 1964 … manipulating data to make it look like North Vietnamese boats fired on a U.S. ship so as to create a false justification for the Vietnam war.

(18) A U.S. Congressional committee admitted that – as part of its “Cointelpro” campaign – the FBI had used many provocateurs in the 1950s through 1970s to carry out violent acts and falsely blame them on political activists.

(20) The German government admitted (and see this) that, in 1978, the German secret service detonated a bomb in the outer wall of a prison and planted “escape tools” on a prisoner – a member of the Red Army Faction – which the secret service wished to frame the bombing on.

(24) The United States Army’s 1994 publication Special Forces Foreign Internal Defense Tactics Techniques and Procedures for Special Forces – updated in 2004 – recommends employing terrorists and using false flag operations to destabilize leftist regimes in Latin America. False flag terrorist attacks were carried out in Latin America and other regions as part of the CIA’s “Dirty Wars“. And see this.

(32) The U.S. falsely blamed Iraq for playing a role in the 9/11 attacks – as shown by a memo from the defense secretary – as one of the main justifications for launching the Iraq war. Even after the 9/11 Commission admitted that there was no connection, Dick Cheney said that the evidence is “overwhelming” that al Qaeda had a relationship with Saddam Hussein’s regime, that Cheney “probably” had information unavailable to the Commission, and that the media was not ‘doing their homework’ in reporting such ties. Top U.S. government officials now admit that the Iraq war was really launched for oil … not 9/11 or weapons of mass destruction. Despite previous “lone wolf” claims, many U.S. government officials now say that 9/11 was state-sponsored terror; but Iraq was not the state which backed the hijackers. (Many U.S. officials have alleged that 9/11 was a false flag operation by rogue elements of the U.S. government; but such a claim is beyond the scope of this discussion. The key point is that the U.S. falsely blamed it on Iraq, when it knew Iraq had nothing to do with it.).

(33) Although the FBI now admits that the 2001 anthrax attacks were carried out by one or more U.S. government scientists, a senior FBI official says that the FBI was actually told to blame the Anthrax attacks on Al Qaeda by White House officials (remember what the anthrax letters looked like). Government officials also confirm that the white House tried to link the anthrax to Iraq as a justification for regime change in that country.

(35) Former Department of Justice lawyer John Yoo suggested in 2005 that the US should go on the offensive against al-Qaeda, having “our intelligence agencies create a false terrorist organization. It could have its own websites, recruitment centers, training camps, and fundraising operations. It could launch fake terrorist operations and claim credit for real terrorist strikes, helping to sow confusion within al-Qaeda’s ranks, causing operatives to doubt others’ identities and to question the validity of communications.”

Click link for balance. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/03/false-flag-5.html
 
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Experts with over 25,000 of professional experience in the Architects and Engineers video dispute that.

Dispute what- that steel softens as it heats, making it easier to bend and deform?

Or do they dispute that I was a journeyman patternmaker in my first career and have considerable training and personal experience working with steel and other metals?


In either case, either they're wrong or you're misrepresenting what they're actually saying.
 
There are many people, including engineers who have serious questions about this. You want to be ignorant and live under a rock then fine, but don't sit there and try to sound superior to someone smart enough to answer questions.

It has been answered, with science and its on my side.
 
Good to know that some people would like some answers. You can ask questions without being a conspiracy nut job. I just don't buy the story we were told. Some of it may be true but as a whole I'm just not convinced.
 
Tell us the real story then. From start to finish. Al the details, names, motives....everything. I can't wait to read it.

Nope it wasn't enough a conspiracy on its face, has to be someone behind the curtain pulling the strings.
 
How/where has it been debunked and by who? I'd be happy to read a link if you have one.

Also, who brought the building down then? How did they do it? Why?
There are multiple sources and videos. If you're so interested look them up.
 
There are multiple sources and videos. If you're so interested look them up.

Actually I have read some of this stuff. Nothing I've read has convinced me yet. If you have a particular link that convinced you to your belief, I would certainly read it.

I'm not calling anyone names, I just can't stand it when people (not saying you) make these kinds of claims but have no real evidence, and blatantly ignore others evidence to the contrary. To some, it's like thus MUST be a conspiracy. It's as if they refuse to believe the possibility of anything else.
 
This is what Lee Hamilton had to say about Building 7

Now, with regard to Building 7, we believe that it was the aftershocks of these two huge buildings in the very near vicinity collapsing. And in the Building 7 case, we think that it was a case of flames setting off a fuel container, which started the fire in Building 7, and that was our theory on Building 7.

Now we’re not the experts on this, we talked to the engineers and the architects about this at some length, and that's the conclusion we reached."


Does not sound like some government conspiracy. That the AIA may look at it again does not mean they will reach a different conclusion.

Occan's Razor is always a good way to look at conspiracy theories.
 
You never had a case.
The case about you conspiracy theorists, of course. No sooner did I post it than did a couple of you demonstrate precisely what I was talking about.

Incidentally, there's another point that people of your ilk tend to ignore. Let's say that somehow our government managed to rig the two towers to collapse. God knows how, but let's say it happened. So why on Earth go to all the trouble of getting people to hijack airliners and fly them into the buildings? That makes absolutely no sense whatever. If this was a "false flag" intended to stir up fear of terrorists, it would be one hell of a lot more frightening to think they could pull off that kind of demolition plot than to think they could do the airliner thing.

Don't get me wrong. I realize there are some unanswered questions. I don't necessarily believe every aspect of the story we're getting from the government. But it's a long, long leap from that point to believing some incredibly complex, incredibly unlikely series of alternative events.
 
The case about you conspiracy theorists, of course. No sooner did I post it than did a couple of you demonstrate precisely what I was talking about.

Incidentally, there's another point that people of your ilk tend to ignore. Let's say that somehow our government managed to rig the two towers to collapse. God knows how, but let's say it happened. So why on Earth go to all the trouble of getting people to hijack airliners and fly them into the buildings? That makes absolutely no sense whatever. If this was a "false flag" intended to stir up fear of terrorists, it would be one hell of a lot more frightening to think they could pull off that kind of demolition plot than to think they could do the airliner thing.

Don't get me wrong. I realize there are some unanswered questions. I don't necessarily believe every aspect of the story we're getting from the government. But it's a long, long leap from that point to believing some incredibly complex, incredibly unlikely series of alternative events.
You're in suspended disbelief. That's what statists do. Tell the board about Operation Northwoods. Don't tell me this stuff is not dreamt up by psychopaths in the higher echelons of government. Let's start with who the direct beneficiaries are in this war on terrorism. You first...THINK.
 
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I believe the comments from the investigation committee are not referring to the buildings coming down but to not having all the info on the Saudi connection to 9/11. The Bin Laden relatives were given special clearance to fly out of the US. Can't upset the oil people you know.
 
You're in suspended disbelief. That's what statists do. Tell the board about Operation Northwoods. Don't tell me this stuff is not dreamt up by psychopaths in the higher echelons of government. Let's start with who the direct beneficiaries are in this war on terrorism. You first...THINK.
The direct beneficiaries are the conspiracy theorists, as it gives them something to do.

I notice that, as I expected, you chose not to respond to my point.

Operation Northwoods, for those who are unfamiliar with the term, was a hypothetical proposal by members of the military in the early '60s that actually had the backing of the chairman of the joint chiefs. Primarily it would have staged attacks on U.S. interests in the area of Guantanamo, and against some members of the OAS, made to look like they were done by Cubans, which would give the U.S. an excuse to react militarily. When the plan got to JFK he shit-canned it and soon afterward sacked the JCS chairman.

Frankly, I think the Maine is a better example, because something actually came of that.
 
OK. Not sure what that has to do with anything, but OK.
I asked had any other skyscrapers, in history, ever fallen due to fires. You replied "and planes flown into them as missiles." I followed with WTC7 was not hit by a plane. It was only office fires. So, if fire brought down WTC7, I go back to the original question: Have ANY other SKYSCRAPERS ever collapsed from fire?
 
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I asked had any other skyscrapers, in history, ever fallen due to fires. You replied "and planes flown into them as missiles." I followed with WTC was not hit by a plane. It was only office fires. So, if fire brought down WTC7, I go back to the original question: Have ANY other SKYSCRAPERS ever collapsed from fire?

see previous post about "it never happened before." Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean its impossible chief, come on you're better than that.
 
see previous post about "it never happened before." Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean its impossible chief, come on you're better than that.


Okay, so then, you're saying the only one in history was WTC7? Got it.
 
The direct beneficiaries are the conspiracy theorists, as it gives them something to do.

I notice that, as I expected, you chose not to respond to my point.

Operation Northwoods, for those who are unfamiliar with the term, was a hypothetical proposal by members of the military in the early '60s that actually had the backing of the chairman of the joint chiefs. Primarily it would have staged attacks on U.S. interests in the area of Guantanamo, and against some members of the OAS, made to look like they were done by Cubans, which would give the U.S. an excuse to react militarily. When the plan got to JFK he shit-canned it and soon afterward sacked the JCS chairman.

Frankly, I think the Maine is a better example, because something actually came of that.

And we all know what happened to JFK.
 
Okay, so then, you're saying the only one in history was WTC7? Got it.

Yes. Are giant skyscrapers catching on fire and burning for hours at like an alarming rate? Just because something happens once doesn't mean it isn't true. Only once did a U.S. president resign, still happened. Only once did a Ceasar crossed the rubicon, still happened.
 
Yes. Are giant skyscrapers catching on fire and burning for hours at like an alarming rate? Just because something happens once doesn't mean it isn't true. Only once did a U.S. president resign, still happened. Only once did a Ceasar crossed the rubicon, still happened.
Why didn't the top portion just travel the path of least resistance then? Simple physics......
 
Yes. Are giant skyscrapers catching on fire and burning for hours at like an alarming rate? Just because something happens once doesn't mean it isn't true. Only once did a U.S. president resign, still happened. Only once did a Ceasar crossed the rubicon, still happened.


Those are LOUSY comparisons.

And, yes, there are hundreds that have burned and burned and look like a wildfire from bottom to top... none of them collapsed. Fire hot, yo! Not hot enough to collapse, however.

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  • Kamal S. Obeid, structural engineer, with a masters degree in Engineering from UC Berkeley, of Fremont, California, says:
“Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well planned and controlled demolition”

Nothing to see here folks. Just keep moving along.

Might explain why the debris from this crime scene was whisked away immediately BEFORE an investigation could be conducted.

So which is it Nat…debris was whisked away before an investigation, or photos of the steel and evidence about how the buildings collapsed? Either you have the evidence, or it was taken. Can't have it both ways.
 
So five gifs, makes it a common occurrence. Do you not get all buildings are not constructed the same way? Not all are constructed the same time? And five gif hardly proves its impossible to bring down a building by fire?!
 
Those are LOUSY comparisons.

And, yes, there are hundreds that have burned and burned and look like a wildfire from bottom to top... none of them collapsed. Fire hot, yo! Not hot enough to collapse, however.

God I liked you up till right now. Fire is hot. When it burns for hours it tends to make things messy. How many of those pics you posted showed airline fuel? How many were allowed to burn for hour cause guys were searching for 3,000 human trapped in rubble" How many were built to WTC 1,2, 7 specifications?

And lousy comparisons?! Provide some proof, that hasn't been shown by science to be proven wrong, that shows fire hot yo.
 
God I liked you up till right now. Fire is hot. When it burns for hours it tends to make things messy. How many of those pics you posted showed airline fuel? How many were allowed to burn for hour cause guys were searching for 3,000 human trapped in rubble" How many were built to WTC 1,2, 7 specifications?

And lousy comparisons?! Provide some proof, that hasn't been shown by science to be proven wrong, that shows fire hot yo.
Look up the f'n proof for yourself dude. It's all out there. You want to believe the lies than that's on you, but it's time for you to find out for yourself. Research and learn and then get back to us.
 
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