That’s a very definitive indictment of the coach when we know nothing about the practice habits of either player, the off the court conduct, the players ability to understand and execute what the coaches are telling them to do, etc etc…..
Next years roster, point to the hope
- Thread starter BlIIlken2
- Start date
BirdistheWord
HB Legend
This is what "realistically" should happen, I never said there was a high likelihood. That is our problem, we are too loyal and stick with what we have. I like Tony Perkins but he is an average 2 guard at best.
Lets see, you said Peyton will be a starter...That is what I said.
You went out on a long limb and said the pg will be decided between Harding, Bowen and Ulis. I am just providing a recommendation based on what I have seen and Ulis is not the answer. I went with Bowen. It could be Brock but as we have seen, true freshman rarely step right in (I did not say never).
I said Dembele will start and you said it will be Dembele or PMac. Obviously PMac has some advantages given his Dad is the coach, but I just dont think he is strong enough to play heavy minutes. Hence the Dembele recommendation.
I said Freeman at center given his sheer size and pretty good athleticism and you said it will be between him and Mulvey. Maybe, but I I just dont think Mulvey starts. Not enough of a ceiling.
I had Nimmers as a spot minute guy, you think he will play more. Okay, I would love to be surprised here.
I had guys like Dix and Pryce as key bench contributors, you said Pryce will find time on the court.
You think Dix just disappears after a good freshman year? highly doubtful.
In a perfect scenario, I would love to bring in 3 guys from the portal, I guess I just dont believe that will ever happen.
I was still holding out hope for Ogundele, if he could ever drop 20 LBS could be decent.
And sure, if Perkins is not starting, he probably won't stay. I will give in on that one.
Last edited:
For those that think Iowa needs a true point guard stop watching television and go to youtube and watch some of either Moline games from the last year or Midpro AAU games that Harding played on with Freeman for the last 4 years. Yes, the kid is electric and indeed may win the starting job and then maybe not, but he is exactly what Iowa needs in a point guard. He will get you double digits in assists and points but Fran has to except that turnovers do happen with such a creative player.
Watch Freeman's AAU 17U highlights and he shows much more ability to shoot from mid to the 3 point line then he did while playing for Moline. He has that game in him.
Again some smart a$$ came on here and likened Brock to Mike Gesell. Not even close, different style players, Brock is so much faster, quicker, is a terrific passer of the ball and sees the floor like no other player I've watched. See for yourself and stop wandering if Iowa will ever get that magic point guard Iowa has needed under Fran.
I'm also going to put this out there. Fran needs to allow this 23 class to get extended minutes next year. Whether Iowa makes the NCAA tournament next year is irrelevant, as the development of these players is much more important for the future of Iowa basketball.
Watch Freeman's AAU 17U highlights and he shows much more ability to shoot from mid to the 3 point line then he did while playing for Moline. He has that game in him.
Again some smart a$$ came on here and likened Brock to Mike Gesell. Not even close, different style players, Brock is so much faster, quicker, is a terrific passer of the ball and sees the floor like no other player I've watched. See for yourself and stop wandering if Iowa will ever get that magic point guard Iowa has needed under Fran.
I'm also going to put this out there. Fran needs to allow this 23 class to get extended minutes next year. Whether Iowa makes the NCAA tournament next year is irrelevant, as the development of these players is much more important for the future of Iowa basketball.
Skydog, I could not agree with you more. I think you are spot on and that's my hope for what the roster looks like as well. Honestly, with Perkins being a threat to drive, I want 3 shooters around him on the court at all times. The experiment with 2 bad shooting threats in the back court needs to be over. It's 2023--we need to do what Penn State did with Pickett and surround Perkins with shooters. If they don't get a 2 out of the portal--start Dix, Patrick and Payton and have Pryce be first off the bench. Have sets where Perkins posts up like Pickett did and let him use his size to his advantage.
Portal szn is weird because fans see some teams do complete overhauls of their roster (because often times they need to) and think that Iowa should do the same. I think the core 3 of Perkins, Payton and Patrick is a good place to build from and a lot of experience. The obvious hole that needs to be filled is obvious to everyone including the coaching staff. I'm confident they will come up with the resources to find a starting Big.
Really? The biggest difference is one has been out of shape for 3 years now and is incapable of playing more than 3 minutes at a time. The other is a high energy and quick 5 who's advanced stats say that he's an above average rebounder and an excellent shot blocker.
Folks here have been clamoring for a more defensive centric player all year and then are also mad when Fran brings in a depth player that by all metrics looks like a good defensive player. Ogundele and Brauns could not be more different in styles of play, fitness and in all likelihood attitude since Brauns has wanted to be a Hawk his whole life.
Then he'll be on the bench because he's "not ready".
I would sign up for a rebuilding year where the young guys get to learn on the job in exchange for some losses.
I doubt Fran feels that way though.
Harding and Bowen are more capable of making plays than Ulis, but as someone said above they turn the ball over. Cones with the territory. Unfortunately, Fran has shown a preference time and time again for the low turnover guys even if they don't actually add much value (exception - Patrick).
Brauns is much better than both Josh O and Riley M. Not even close.
To HawkHoops80’s point, he’s worked a lot harder than those two combined. Look at a picture of Brauns coming out of HS (he looked like Cougill or Margaret) compared to that video (fit, quick, nice bounce). Night and day.
This is big time hoops. If Josh O and Riley aren’t willing to put in the work, find a place for them at a mid-major.
I was in Ulis corner all year because he plays decent defense but the last month of the season he just was a nonfactor.
Bowen needs to be given the leeway to play the point next year if he sticks around.
You really think Fran won’t start PMac? Fran is blind to his flaws. He played him ahead of Keegan as a freshman, Kris as a sophomore, and ahead of the B1G sixth man of the year off the bench. Nepotism is a severe issue at the U of I in both bball and football.
‘,Advanced stats’
tell us what the advanced stats say about Ogundele relative to the rest of the IOWA team?
- 3rd on team in PER
- 2 on team in BPM
- 1 on team on D
im. not saying Bruan is a poor player, only that Fran wouldn’t play him either.
You're comparing a guy who played 72 total minutes this year (60 of which were against the cupcakes or in mop-up duty) vs a guy who played 661.
And we're talking about who would be a better BACKUP.
Jelly and RM both need to transfer as neither will ever be an asset to the team. As far as PM he will never be a solid BIG player due to health and laziness.
If Fran had a choice at center he would play Connor ahead of JO, RM and Braun.
What makes you think Patrick will be a starter? He has such loose handles and is worn out after 5 minutes on the court. He should be strictly a role player and possibly a spurt off the bench and go with his impact.
Before he took his leave of absence, Patrick was a double digit scorer in 10 of 14 games and 2 of those games that he didn't were his last 2 when he clearly wasn't right. I'd like to think that an offseason where his body can adjust to the (likely) anti-anxiety meds and he can get back into game shape will allow him to at least play at the level he was at prior to the leave of absence. Iowa doesn't beat Clemson without him and they get blown out by Wisconsin at home without him. I'm not even suggesting he's going to be some stud--he's just very capable of being the 3rd option with Tony and Payton being 1a and 1b IMO.
If Payton, Tony, and PMac are the three best options next season, well…. I think we all know where that leads.
Middle of the pack finish? Start slow everyones mad, strong middle to get everyone's hopes up, slump at the end.
Bubble team 0-1 in tournament?
Fran pretty much finds a way to have this season every year regardless.
Im not getting fooled for better or worse.
This is Iowa basketball until theres a change.
100% this. With the portal and NIL, I assume/hope Fran realizes this.
Agree. He has had some really good offensive games this year, like Wisconsin and MSU. Consistency and defensive effort are both things he can develop. I think Payton is more than ready to take over the role of primary scorer. Perkins is a good 2nd option. I also am very high on Dix as a scorer and defender. But offense is never the problem with a Fran team. Assuming Bowen returns, I think we are one good center transfer, that can defend and rebound, away from returning to the NCAAs. I think a good shot blocker is imperative.
All ogundele can do is control what he does when he’s allowed to play.You're comparing a guy who played 72 total minutes this year (60 of which were against the cupcakes or in mop-up duty) vs a guy who played 661.
And we're talking about who would be a better BACKUP.
In those limited opportunities, Ogundele has exceeded expectations as measured by metrics.
previous poster brought up analytics in his comparison, not me, I just stated ogundeles metrics.
you Should probably review the entire thread before making this sort of embarrassing assumptions.
Agree,
Fran could get Keegan and kris back next year and fran would play Kris off the bench, again.
unfortunately this IOWA basketball future outcomes, hey used to it, or get frustrated.
Metrics are unreliable in small sample sizes.
Metrics are pretty reliable in large sample sizes.
This isn't a hard concept to understand.
I'd also add that another thing that Ogundele can control his conditioning and what he does in practice which would allow him to get more opportunities to play. He's had 3 years.
Josh's inability to get in shape is a major problem. It is hard to see him as ever playing more than a few minutes at a time even if he got into the regular rotation. Riley only played 49 minutes and was more up and down in those garbage minutes.
On the other hand, I think Freeman will be a beast in time. You hate to rely on freshmen big boys but Owen plays a kind of violent game.
We have three true centers. Hopefully Josh, Riley and Owen all watched the high percentage associated with short hooks and watched Filip's footwork setting up those short hooks. Every one of those guys can learn to do that if they are serious. That skill alone would get them a few minutes. Once a center gets that shot down it opens a world of other possibilities in the deep post. Those guys would be flipping that shot from nearly rim level. I will never understand why every kid 6'9" and up doesn't develop that short to midrange hook as their first go to move.
Filip and Monika should run a clinic on the fundamentals of being a good low post center.
On the other hand, I think Freeman will be a beast in time. You hate to rely on freshmen big boys but Owen plays a kind of violent game.
We have three true centers. Hopefully Josh, Riley and Owen all watched the high percentage associated with short hooks and watched Filip's footwork setting up those short hooks. Every one of those guys can learn to do that if they are serious. That skill alone would get them a few minutes. Once a center gets that shot down it opens a world of other possibilities in the deep post. Those guys would be flipping that shot from nearly rim level. I will never understand why every kid 6'9" and up doesn't develop that short to midrange hook as their first go to move.
Filip and Monika should run a clinic on the fundamentals of being a good low post center.
Ogundele was never given a chance to play, period.
at Purdue last year , without Keegan, Ogundele played a career high 16 minutes, scoring 5 (3-4 FG] and rebounding 5. Vs the BEST Bigs in the B1G 10,
an out manned IOWA team was in a 2 possession game, on the road vs #1 purdue.
this is not garbage time
this is not > 300 SOS team
this was not at home
my God, sometime the evidence is right in your faces and the apologists can not accept it.
Here's the problem with your reasoning. You are projecting the very best moment into something like the average or mean performance. Iowa is a very up tempo team and Josh isn't really an up tempo looking player.
However, I like the kid and hope something ignites some fire and talent more like that Purdue game. I fear he has health/conditioning issues that limit his stamina.
A. I didnt project. Only provided his results in his longest game time minutes, which just happened to be Vs. the best. Just a single data point that in itself disproves the basic narratives, being Ogundele can’t play extended minutes, when the only time he did, he played great.
B. How do you know he has no fire if he rarely gets a chance to play? Let alone more than 1-2 minutes?
C. his aggregate metrics look very strong on Defense, rebounding, rim defense, or everything this IOWA team lacks.
I enjoyed watching this team but also enjoyed watching the football team. Love the basketball offense. Fun to watch. Love the football defense. They are elite. People bitch about both programs.
Impressive video.
I’m a little surprised to see something like this released. I can’t remember seeing extensive practice highlights of any players in the past. Looks like it was posted privately by Amarion. (The audio track was certainly not something the university would have chosen.) Do they allow practices to be recorded to the point that players can put together their own highlight reel? Is Amarion trying to market himself?
Kris M. Was the only starter we had that would have started for Big Ten teams. Rebraca maybe but not at the 5. Fran did pretty well with this talent. I didn’t think they’d win three big ten games watching them before Christmas.
Ok, Im trying to process this and not jump to too many negative conclusions on why he had to be redshirted like competing with made men for playing time.
Im assuming his assist to TO ratio must not be up to snuff?
Wow, that looked really impressive. He's quick and a much better shot than I imagined.
What I had read was that he was really raw coming out of high school and mostly just used his athleticism to score and didn't really have a refined jump shot. Someone said that in high school Rocky just put him in ISOs most of the time so Nimmers needed to learn how to play within an offense too.
Redshirting seems like the right move if this was mostly a learning year. I'd much rather have 4 years where he can actually get minutes vs burn a year of eligibility where he probably only gets minutes in garbage time
