NIL money and Iowa we aren't going anywhere

[HawkeyeGenius]

There are simple things one can do to contribute to NIL. Buy a Swarm vodka soda at Kinnick. It's much better than the beer. Round up to the nearest dollar at the Kinnick concessions, it's an option. If they don't ask then you ask. I'd also say just donate $20/month but some seem against that. NIL is not going away even with revenue sharing. I want Iowa to compete. NIL does that. Yes there will be guys that don't work or be all-conference. I don't see any type of salary cap ever happening. I think it'd get overturned in court if the past is an indication. Go Hawks!

 

[ISPHawk]

We have to face the fact we can't compete against NIL money. Right now the teams with all the money are going to float to the top. Bitch as we might we saw the difference today. Yes Sullivan might have made small difference. We're going to be with the Minnesota, Northwestern, Nebraska, Rutgers, etc. I friend that was a friend of a coach predicted 5 years ago the NCAA was toast and the TV networks were going to run the show. So who will they put on teams with a big fan base and money we peasants out in Iowa are just going to have to face it. I'm sure I hate as much as anyone but thems the facts

I think Nebraska can buy their way towards the top.

 

[BrewHawk]

Iowa is not a top 10 program yet the fans expect top 10 results. You can get those results once and awhile but not yearly.

This is just wrong. We are a top 20 revenue program that should routinely finish in the top 20.

That doesn't happen.

We have also become absolutely noncompetitive against any team with a pulse.

No excuse for losing to Iowa St. None.

 

[Gus is dead]

Indiana doesn’t have a football advantage in NIL money over Iowa but they were able to get a playmaking QB in the first year with a new coach.

Very frustrating to watch that QB at Vanderbilt make so many plays against Alabama. Confident that the Vanderbilt QB receives less NIL money that Cade.

McNamara has been a massive bust for Iowa.

We mad a bad choice with our NIL money for a QB. It happens. Our staff isnt exactly known for having any sort of an eye for a QB. He was decent and then was injured. That did him no favors but I'd also suggest there was more than one reason he was passed up by JJ.

We MAY have a good one in Sullivan. Sucks we may have to wait until next year to figure out if that's true. He certainly fits TL system much better if nothing else.

Id also add that TL arrived after McNamara was brought on so we could have a better QB talent eye in TL going forward.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

That "tackle from VA" never played at VA. He was a D2 guy originally committed to VA that Iowa flipped. You never know how the D2 guys will play out. I'd consider Zach VanValkenburg a success. He was a D2 guy. Hayden Large is a transfer from Dordt that is proving to be an asset. I think Feth logged some quality pt as well. That OL was just so beat up it didn't do much. Jacob Gill is a transfer from Northwestern, arguably Iowa's best WR. You could argue Sullivan has done good things with limited play at QB. Iowa is always going to have to take chances on guys to transfer in that may or may not do anything because they aren't going to get the Can Ward's of the world.

I guess I wasn't clear. Yes we flipped him from VA but didn't play there.

Feth still didn't make much of a difference to me on a bad offensive line.

Large is okay but a transfer fullback isn't going to move the needle for the offense, especially with how little we use them anymore.

I did forget about Gill. I'm not sure he is the best wr but I suppose you could argue that. He only had 1 catch for a loss yesterday iirc.

VanValkenberg was solid, you are correct.

 

[Hawkfan_08]

We mad a bad choice wwith our NIL money for a QB. t happens. Our staff isnt exactly known for having any sort of an eye for a QB. He was decent and then was injured. That did him no favors but I'd also suggest there was more than one reason he was passed up by JJ.

We MAY have a good one in Sullivan. Sucks we may have to wait until next year to figure out if thats true. He certainly fits TL system much better if nothing else.

Id also add that TL arrived after McNamara was brought on so we could have a better QB talent eye in TL going forward.

And this is the problem. We didn't make good choices with the big money guys. Lachey was great to keep here. Brown, Cade, All (not his fault) didn't pay off.

 

[WaterTower]

NCAA hung on as long as they could. They lose in court when you try and stop people from making money from part time jobs.

Tad more serious than buying a kid a pizza. They dictated for years now they are on the verge of irrelevance.

 

[HawkeyeGenius]

I guess I wasn't clear. Yes we flipped him from VA but didn't play there.

Feth still didn't make much of a difference to me on a bad offensive line.

Large is okay but a transfer fullback isn't going to move the needle for the offense, especially with how little we use them anymore.

I did forget about Gill. I'm not sure he is the best wr but I suppose you could argue that. He only had 1 catch for a loss yesterday iirc.

VanValkenberg was solid, you are correct.

You're right that Large isn't going to move the needle, but he solidly fills a spot of need. Gill had three receptions yesterday for 24 yards including the game long of 22 for Iowa. Borud on the OL could be an impact, but I'm sure he's in the doghouse due to his DUI. I forgot that Stilianos was an FCS transfer that gave ok minutes once Lachey got hurt. Then of course Marshall Meeder from Central Michigan last year, he beat Nebraska on his only FG at Iowa. That's a success in my book, ha.

 

[BrewHawk]

Gill had 3 for 24. Should be our #3/4, but is our #1.

 

[Gus is dead]

And this is the problem. We didn't make good choices with the big money guys. Lachey was great to keep here. Brown, Cade, All (not his fault) didn't pay off.

Maybe we need a fulltime NIL talent staff person. Only job is to watch FB during the year to find great QBs or other positions at the FCS schools or on the bench at FBS schools and wait for the portal and get on these kids. If we are going to play be able to compete in today's FB environment, we need to make serious NIL moves in the offseason.

A serious question needs asked, how is it we have had so many busts? Is this standard? Are we approaching things the right way? If KF is the guy making the calls then its time for him to go. If it isnt, who's failures are these? Is it one guy? Is it multiple guys and we just have been unlucky?

Do we create an NIL talent review board like pro teams have for draft day? I assume we don't have one.....based on results.

This sport is quickly becoming a pro league. Time to realize that and get with the big boys.

The one success I think we have had though, getting kids to stay here when they have real talent instead of jumping ship. Except for Charlie Sizzle anyway. Which probably had zero to do with dollars.

 

[HawkeyeGenius]

Gill had 3 for 24. Should be our #3/4, but is our #1.

He should be, but he's not. At the same time. Huge upgrade from what we've had.

 

[DewHawk]

IMO. There are only what 15/25+/- elite money programs and the rest are second tier teams and scrapping for the leftovers. If the current money free-for-all environment continues the lower tiered programs are just going to be cannon fodder (like Iowa even with a good coach) for the elite programs. The rah, rah college spirit will not survive, and non-elite teams will no longer even be followed/fill the stadium/TV contracts, etc. It will become "who cares" because they stand zero chance against elite money teams. H***, it is already happening as the gap between haves and have-nots continues to grow rapidly.

Again IMO, the only way for Iowa-like teams to have a future is to breakout the 15/25+/- elite money teams into a super division (which is what the powers-to-be want anyway). Then the low-dollar teams (approx., 75%+/- of D1 college teams), like Iowa, form a new division, conferences and their own championship(s). Let the rich teams beat the h*** out of each other weekly and refuse to play them. I personally have no interest in a super league, but to each his own.

The current semipro model and leftover college football teams together as D1 is not a sustainable product. But again, JMO.

 

[thunderstruck1]

Maybe we need a fulltime NIL talent staff person. Only job is to watch FB during the year to find great QBs or other positions at the FCS schools or on the bench at FBS schools and wait for the portal and get on these kids. If we are going to play be able to compete in today's FB environment, we need to make serious NIL moves in the offseason.

A serious question needs asked, how is it we have had so many busts? Is this standard? Are we approaching things the right way? If KF is the guy making the calls then its time for him to go. If it isnt, who's failures are these? Is it one guy? Is it multiple guys and we just have been unlucky?

Do we create an NIL talent review board like pro teams have for draft day? I assume we don't have one.....based on results.

This sport is quickly becoming a pro league. Time to realize that and get with the big boys.

The one success I think we have had though, getting kids to stay here when they have real talent instead of jumping ship. Except for Charlie Sizzle anyway. Which probably had zero to do with dollars.

We have that, but it was mentioned several weeks back by KF that our room that does that is not as large as other schools and he does not see that changing.

 

[thunderstruck1]

I had to pause for a moment, because I was thinking, “unless the player wants immediate playing time.” But, each season, the big NIL teams can poach the proven players from other teams, across CFB, to replace their outgoing stars. The best bet the majority of CFB have is to recruit the top high school talent (with NIL) and a commitment to a reasonable amount of play time, knowing full well, if they turn out to be stars, they’ll be poached.

It does continue to emphasize the need for teams to build their NILs, but it also places greater need for evaluation of talent, in the distribution of what would be much more limited NIL $s. Hence, without a large NIL, “what are they getting for the money.” Money ball.

I think the only hedge is a true championship of the 9 conference champions, but the B1G, SEC, and media would never allow it.

One word. Contracts. Business requires contracts. If these people can and do have agents and everyone wants paid, then it is just the natural order of things to have contracts.

 

[doughuddl2]

I actually saw some competent, well executed pass completions by the hawks. Cade threw a great ball to Gill before he got open on that 20 yard post pattern, a couple of nice down and in and crossing patterns to RVZ. But Cade also got hit and pressured a lot and we put little pressure on their qb.

I still cant believe we cant get a couple of 4 star type wide receivers to come here when they know they could be on the field for about every snap. Yet, all kinds of teams like Troy find these gems of receivers.

Unfortunately NIL money doesn't get you a new offensive philosophy and playbook to use these 4 star WRs.

 

[kceasthawk]

Well let's look.....Since the '21 season C Klieman's record @ K-State is 31-14 w/ a B12 Championship and Sugar Bowl berth. K Ferentz and Iowa is 31-15 w/ some blowout losses and no top tier bowl since the blowout loss to Stanford in the Rose 9 years ago. Klieman inherited a mess @ KSU while KF has had over 20 years to build this offensive powerhouse. BTW, KSU lost their QB (Howard) to tOSU (you remember watching him yesterday) and have been a top 20ish team all year w/ wins over #20 Arizona and #20 Okie State. Again, KF has wins largely b/c of Norm and Phil Parker's defenses and special teams. He needs to step away from any aspect of offensive football.

Once AGAIN, I've already said SEVERAL times its time for Kirk to move on. It would be nice if you would acknowledge I'm not disputing that. The record you showed was KSU and Iowa basically identical records. Of course I'd still say the rest of the big 12 in those years isn't any better then the rest of the B1G, if not worse so to me its a wash. The original post however, (if you'd like to actually read that) was about Iowa vs BOTH KS schools. Go ahead and throw in KU's record in those years if you'd like. I guess it comes down to do you want to be really good 2 years out of 7 or 8 (KU), or win 8-9 games every year, and win 10+ every 4 to 5 years,(Iowa).

 

[joelbc1]

Oklahoma has 3.9 M and 7.2%. Kansas has 2.9 M and 5.4%. They seem to be able to do quite well w/ their two P4 teams.

btw, Iowa has one P2 program and a P3/4. Same w/ Okla. and Kansas. This major beef most people have is w/ the offense or lack there of. And Iowa has more resources / revenue than those programs as well, with the exception of OU.

Oklahoma has OIL MONEY! And OIL MONEY is special. Ever been in Ames the day of a OU/ISU game? Between Ames, Ankeny and DSM the private jets speak volumes. Okie State athletics has been gifted $1Billion (BILLION….with a “B”!) by a “donor”…..Wanna talk about UTexas and Texas A/M?? They do even better. (More oils money!)

 

[TXHCHawk]

One word. Contracts. Business requires contracts. If these people can and do have agents and everyone wants paid, then it is just the natural order of things to have contracts.

I couldn’t agree more.

 

[BetterLuckNextTime]

This. Not sure why people can't comprehend that it's not just about losing to osu

I really think they know exactly what they're doing. Trying to be sneaky by adding their spin, with the intent of causing confusion so that we forget how asinine and incompetent the man is.

 

[hahkize]

Oklahoma has OIL MONEY! And OIL MONEY is special. Ever been in Ames the day of a OU/ISU game? Between Ames, Ankeny and DSM the private jets speak volumes. Okie State athletics has been gifted $1Billion (BILLION….with a “B”!) by a “donor”…..Wanna talk about UTexas and Texas A/M?? They do even better. (More oils money!)

Naw, never been to a clone FB game. Went by Stapleton field once when I was in HS. That was enough. $1B is a LOT of cash. I would say the "Man" is not doing a very efficient job utilizing his resources.

 

[hahkize]

Once AGAIN, I've already said SEVERAL times its time for Kirk to move on. It would be nice if you would acknowledge I'm not disputing that. The record you showed was KSU and Iowa basically identical records. Of course I'd still say the rest of the big 12 in those years isn't any better then the rest of the B1G, if not worse so to me its a wash. The original post however, (if you'd like to actually read that) was about Iowa vs BOTH KS schools. Go ahead and throw in KU's record in those years if you'd like. I guess it comes down to do you want to be really good 2 years out of 7 or 8 (KU), or win 8-9 games every year, and win 10+ every 4 to 5 years,(Iowa).

I'm not trying to get under your skin. No bone to pick w/ you. I entered this conversation in response to a post stating that little ol' Iowa couldn't hang w/ the big dogs on a regular basis b/c they had to split the 'pie' in Iowa due to there being two P4 schools. I was merely trying to point out that two other states w/ similar demographics would show that it is possible for one (the flagship school) to be more successful and attain a richer bloodline than the other.

 

[joelbc1]

Naw, never been to a clone FB game. Went by Stapleton field once when I was in HS. That was enough. $1B is a LOT of cash. I would say the "Man" is not doing a very efficient job utilizing his resources.

I went to Stapleton Field a couple of times….airplanes every where! However, Denver has built a new airport, many years ago. I believe there are still a lot of :”private” planes using Stapleton Field today, though.

 

[hahkize]

I went to Stapleton Field a couple of times….airplanes every where! However, Denver has built a new airport, many years ago. I believe there are still a lot of :”private” planes using Stapleton Field today, though.

LOL! Sorry, Stapleton (Clay) was the coach at that time and the FB venue was 'Clyde Williams Field' I knew it was named after some irrelevant ISWho coach but that was a looong time ago.

 

[Rustys Dad]

Of course it is, but its not just Iowa. We've talked about this since the whole portal and NIL thing started. Its only going to get worse. You could see this coming. When the OSU's of the world can just pluck top players from other teams to supplement the already big advantage they hold in high school recruiting your going to see roster gaps on quality and depth like OSU vs Iowa. There's only so much a coach can do. its still more about "the jimmies and the joes" then "the x's and the O's". Unfortunately in the past Kirks ultra conservative approach could provide the upset from time to time on the big dogs, but you have to play flawlessly. The two early second half TO's opened the floodgates for OSU, and with that talent gap they're going to blow you up quick given any opportunity.

Agree 👍

 

[RicoSuave102954]

The Cade NIL money has been well spent... That'll get people motivated to "donate".

Any idea what the Vandy NIL looks like?
Indiana?

Do you belong or just bitch for a living?

 

[kwik44]

IMO. There are only what 15/25+/- elite money programs and the rest are second tier teams and scrapping for the leftovers. If the current money free-for-all environment continues the lower tiered programs are just going to be cannon fodder (like Iowa even with a good coach) for the elite programs. The rah, rah college spirit will not survive, and non-elite teams will no longer even be followed/fill the stadium/TV contracts, etc. It will become "who cares" because they stand zero chance against elite money teams. H***, it is already happening as the gap between haves and have-nots continues to grow rapidly.

Again IMO, the only way for Iowa-like teams to have a future is to breakout the 15/25+/- elite money teams into a super division (which is what the powers-to-be want anyway). Then the low-dollar teams (approx., 75%+/- of D1 college teams), like Iowa, form a new division, conferences and their own championship(s). Let the rich teams beat the h*** out of each other weekly and refuse to play them. I personally have no interest in a super league, but to each his own.

The current semipro model and leftover college football teams together as D1 is not a sustainable product. But again, JMO.

It’s unfortunate that the big guys can pay for the 5 star, then let the lesser programs put in the sweat to evaluate/develop other players into elite level, only to get picked over by the elite to finish out their careers. Then, have to play against said Elite as the cherry on top.

What a vicious cycle this has become.

 

[TXHCHawk]

Do you belong or just bitch for a living?

You know, I appreciate you support the SWARM/NIL, as do I. However, insulting others, or bullying them, to support a cause that you support, fails every time. If you want to generate support for something, demonstrate value.

In trying to build support for our NIL, the value is not being demonstrated, at least in football. And it’s not just about more money to spend, as this board has correctly had mentions of programs that spend a lot with little result. It’s about the value/return per $ spent.

We both would like to see broader support of IOWA’s NIL, but the “shut up unless you support the NIL crowd” does little to encourage just that. Talk about bitching to bitch. If we want support, help put pressure on the talent evaluation and acquisition folks to get better results with our donations. Shaming non-contributors doesn’t help them join us.

 

[uihawk82]

You know, I appreciate you support the SWARM/NIL, as do I. However, insulting others, or bullying them, to support a cause that you support, fails every time. If you want to generate support for something, demonstrate value.

In trying to build support for our NIL, the value is not being demonstrated, at least in football. And it’s not just about more money to spend, as this board has correctly had mentions of programs that spend a lot with little result. It’s about the value/return per $ spent.

We both would like to see broader support of IOWA’s NIL, but the “shut up unless you support the NIL crowd” does little to encourage just that. Talk about bitching to bitch. If we want support, help put pressure on the talent evaluation and acquisition folks to get better results with our donations. Shaming non-contributors doesn’t help them join us.

Very well said. There are so many more crucial, important places to donate money so I would never get on someone for not donating to NIL. I have talked back on here to some of these "you must give to SWARM" people by saying a lot of people like myself have spent a lot of money on football tickets and IClub donations. I and my wife choose to donate to food banks, social services groups, etc now and after 40+ years of buying football tickets to support the team I stopped buying in 2019. We now have grandchildren to help save for college. And all people have these various donation places to choose from.