Agreed. Drain the swamp.
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Agreed. Drain the swamp.
Aren't the schools big rich institutions? They get subsidized by taxpayers to put out a lot of unneeded and unusable product. The focus of student debt issues should be the schools.
It was a yes or no question. I don't think it would take you several days to answer. It was merely to point out the hypocrisy of the far right that are fine with subsidizing the rich while making sure poor people stay poor.
A large number of other countries in the world educate their citizens to the college level for free. This isn't a radical idea.
But I don't think it's as simple as everyone gets a free education in those countries. The whole structure of the US colleges will have to change and how people are accepted. If the federal government is paying for it then there is no concept of a state university, it becomes a federal university. The federal government will be calling the shots and determining majors and other programs. So basically every 4 years there could be major changes to college. Just look what desantis is doing in Florida, do you want that kind of change in the whole country. Forget about sports, that will be over. Colleges will start accepting based on grades and test scores. Right now I know there are posters with kids at Iowa who have some form of autism. How do you think that's going to play out for them? As certain states are trying to drop DEI, what kind of equity will be available to those kids. Be very careful about what you wish for, you might not like the package.
I'm old enough to remember when this thread was about Amarion Nimmers
One of the biggest financial scams of the last 30 years. The cost of "higher education" has grown at 4-5 times the rate of inflation over the last 2 generations. Some would argue...at least in recent history...that the quality has dropped at the same time.
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The result of being subsidized without consequences for the results.
Exactly ...just because you qualify for a loan to pay your way to college doesn't mean you should be going to college. Especially to giant universities that are overpriced because of their "brand" and alumni network.
A great number of kids just want to move on to the next phase of their "social" development after high school and have little interest in actually getting an education/degree in something that will help them get hired after graduation.
College for most kids is a scam ...and it only leaves them with fond memories and massive debt.
What a pathetic straw man argument. Of course, that's what your side does, so I shouldn't be surprised.
I don't recall "voting/electing" these kids (or their parents) who made the voluntary decision to take out huge loans in order to go to the college. What I can vote on is not allowing them off the hook with my tax $ ...and I will definitely be voting to keep them held responsible for their life choices. I had to pay mine back, they will have to do the same.
Prefer to talk about the transfer and the options. An entire forum for that and it isn't here. No need to get the thread deleted
...and for many, no viable career path. Generally speaking, if your major is " ------ studies" you've wasted a lot of money and time.
Super. How about this. The day that THAT is the system and people get their education for free then super duper. Once thats been voted on, so that tax payers know that they will be footing that cost. That is NOT the current system, and those involved signed contracts to repay their debt. They should do what they agreed to do. Is that clear enough. I paid for my own college out of my own pocket, and my sons paid for theirs. They worked hard during their high school years in class, in athletics, and jobs to be prepared. They had academic and athletic scholarships to pay for some, and they worked weekends when they could, did internships, and jobs in the summer . Then they paid off their debts shortly after college. No one gave then squat. The problem now is too many people see that they don't have to honor their contracts or debts that THEY agreed too. Your okay with that, then good for you. I'm not.......
By the way there was much financial aid available to "the Poor" and minorities, that my sons did not qualify for. There is oppurtunity out there for those who are willing to work for it.
Generally the further right someone is the more against the idea of bailouts they are.
You may be thinking of neo cons. Those people make up most of both parties in Washington but they are not on the right and they nor conservative by any honest definition.
I don't know any serious person on the right who was ok with the recent round of bank bailouts.
You shouldn't have to work harder than others to get the opportunity to have the same knowledge. That's the point. It's a system designed to keep the classes where they are.
I'm fine with student loans having to be repaid but do away with the need for them in the first place.
Not true whatsoever. The far right assured us that the bailouts and tax cuts to corporations are so that companies can flourish and employ the plebs. Then the companies used the money for stock buybacks and upper management bonuses instead.
Well, those are two completely different things and you're definitions are incorrect.
He’s going to Western Illinois.
Sounds about right. Hopefully he develops his talent into a real nice player
Eliminate welfare for all but the disabled and I'm all in for free education. And before you continue to blame the "far right" for all of the ills of the country, welfare is a product of Democratic policies and whether or not it was an original intent, welfare absolutley helps to keep poor people poor. Rely and ultimately expect the government to take care of you doesn't promote a strong want to change.
Get rid of BS degrees too while you're at it. Just another area to fix.
FYI, I can show you a couple of "disabled" people that are living off the government and they're out golfing and having fun. We'll just see a big jump in disabled people.
As far as the so-called BS degrees go, I have no problem with the degrees if that's what people want to do. Someone could probably claim acting in a BS degree or writing. But those can be valid majors for some people. I don't care what major people choose as long as they take responsibility for their loans and not expect a bailout.
I think you know exacty what I meant - eliminate the generational dependence and offer the abilty to learn, whether it is traditional college or the trades. In my world, this offer will eventually become a requirement because if they don't take advantage, then they're f'd. And of course there will be those who are working to defraud the system.
There is absolutley ZERO chance something like this will ever get passed. Too many benefit from the system including those who have the power to make the change. Vicious cycle.
There's zero chance because it's not as simple as just giving away a free education (college or trade). There's a lot more going on behind the scenes when it comes to colleges/universities.
I thought you were wanting a free education for college or trade. I guess I read your post wrong.
I love how poor people get blamed for all of the ills of society and not the billionaires, corrupt politicians and other people in power. They give you the illusion of choice and all these free market boners let them do it because they think if they work hard enough they can be the next Jeff Bezos. News flash. You're closer to being homeless than of ever becoming a billionaire. People on welfare are not the biggest enemy. Billionaire's and corporations are. Billionaires and corporations have siphoned more money and stolen more labor from you than welfare programs ever will. Eat the rich.
Welfare certainly isn't perfect. It does keep some poor people poor. For others, it keeps kids fed and housed. I'm fine with instituting more stringent requirements but welfare is a needed thing.
As for blaming the right, in the case of not wanting to educate the masses, they are the problem. Look at the history of voting on education matters. I'm a moderate so certainly the left has their own issues.
So you want to eliminate BS degrees and then what... We only have BA degrees? I think Bachelor's of Science and Bachelor's of Arts can coexist. I have plenty of friends with BA degrees that are director or senior level at tech companies. Again. College isn't for getting a job. It's for educating yourself. You learn 95% (some exceptions) of how to do a job on the job.
When people were using BS degrees, I assumed they meant BullSh!t degrees, or what they consider BullSh!t degrees. That's why I said any major can be valid for someone. I actually agree with you 100%. I've never understood some of the posters that are pissed about people getting certain degrees. I don't care what someone majors in, my only thing is that they are responsible for paying their loans back so they need to consider that. I paid for my kids to go to school, so they were free to do whatever they wanted.
I love the guys who call certain degrees bullshit. So we should only have business majors and certain majors? I can guarantee how every single person who says this shit votes. Bunch of dipshits. They hate education in general.
I'm not sure how this all plays out politically because I'm a democrat and I've had plenty of arguments with democrats who want free college and they want to limit degrees. So politically I'm not sure who wants what. To me it's really simple, allow all the degrees, and people get to choose. They also have to take responsibility for their decision and be able to pay back their loans. Really you could probably claim being a teacher is a bulls!t degree because the pay is so low.
The average teacher's salary in Iowa is over 50K. That is not low...and it's not like they are working 12 months a year, either.
It is low when compared to me and my coworkers get paid. It’s very difficult for teachers to raise. family on their salary.
Yes. there are many lines of work that make good money.
And a McDonald's manager works a lot more hours than a teacher does.
At 50,000, they qualify for a $125,000 house. That's not the kind of house someone who makes "good money" lives in. We obviously have a difference of opinion on what "good money" is and also how hard teachers work, and I can bet we're not going to change each others mind. But you have proved my original point, I said in a earlier post that some might consider a teaching degree as a BS since it doesn't make much money. To think that a McDonalds manager makes the same just proves that. Why pay for college if it's no different than working at McDonalds. Teachers deserve more respect, I do know that.
How much respect a teacher deserves depends entirely on the teacher.
