No, we're not going to forget

[TornadoHawk93]

Not at all.

I claimed no steps were skipped. You claimed they "cut corners" and that's why people were afraid of them.
The did NOT "cut corners".

Sorry grandpa....you have been caught. You are a liar and you always have been a liar. I am actually glad you posted your lie one more time so that we can FINALLY put you to put this to bed for you.

So, lets review my first post one more time, since you clearly have dementia: 😂

"The main problem a lot people have with the COVID Vaccine is the fact that they were introduced from start to finish withing 11 months. Most Vaccines take years of trials and testing to approve. I took the Vaccine and am glad I did. However, I know a lot of people are scared of the long term..."

Now, lets be honest chode, your first lie was that I claimed they skipped steps. Now, tell me where in my initial post I EVER claimed they skipped steps? Please do tell us all moron? You see, unlike you I don't ever claim people have said something they didn't...you on the otherhand simply comtinue to lie and then change your argument because you get yourself into a hole that you can't get out of. And, I have already proven that you have said things and then denied them.

Be a man (or woman) and just admit it. YOU were always the first one to post the phrase "Skipped Steps", not me. So, that lie was proven (which for obvious reasons you continued to avoid addressing), then you claimed pharma fast tracked development because of money...again, proven to be a joke.

Log of now and get some sleep....you need it.

 

[TornadoHawk93]

Sure, Cletus. I posted the definition on what "cutting corners" means.
Here are more

Collins Dictionary:
to do something in the easiest or shortest way, esp at the expense of high standards
to save time, money or effort by not following the correct procedure or rules for doing something

Cambridge Dictionary:
to save money or time when doing something by not including some parts, actions, or details,.........
Dictionary.com
Do something in the easiest or least expensive way.......
Longman Dictionary:
to do something in a way that saves time............


Seems that pretty much ALL dictionary definitions imply it means compromising or reducing quality.
Not merely "expediting" something. You used the term "cutting corners". Not any of the other synonyms, which are incomplete descriptors.

Oh man...do you even read what you type? Most of these literally back me up and yet you post them. LOL!!

Again CLEE-TUS, my initial post was SPOT ON, and you went off the rails claiming I said they skipped steps. I have always maintained they still ran the steps, but that they cut the time corner. Which was true.

Grandpa, you are now on fail number 141,418! Just stop...it is both hilarious and painful to watch you. 😂

 

[naturalbornhawk]

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More sources classified as "Conspiracy-Pseudoscience."

You are not good at this.

Smart people learned during COVID that "fact" checkers were full up to their eyeballs of BS. Guess where that leaves you.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

Not at all.

I claimed no steps were skipped. You claimed they "cut corners" and that's why people were afraid of them.
The did NOT "cut corners".

I'll just leave this here.

 

[LBoogie28]

Smart people learned during COVID that "fact" checkers were full up to their eyeballs of BS. Guess where that leaves you.

You could have used some “fact” checkers for the Mark Wahlberg pic you posted…or done your own “research.”

 

[Joes Place]

Sorry grandpa....you have been caught. You are a liar and you always have been a liar.

You claimed they "cut corners". Pretty much says it all, with how desperately you are trying to walk that one back.

 

[Joes Place]

Oh man...do you even read what you type? Most of these literally back me up

Uh, no. They don't. They ALL state skipping critical steps or a reduction in quality on the end product.
No such steps were skipped.

 

[TornadoHawk93]

You claimed they "cut corners". Pretty much says it all, with how desperately you are trying to walk that one back.

Uh no...moron.

Again, since you refuse to admit your lie.....lets do this. YOU repost my first post and highlight the EXACT place where I said they either cut corners or skipped steps? If you can prove my first post says ANY of this....I will stop posting in this thread. If not, you log off and stay off this thread, go to bed and get some sleep (in what looks to be the first time in years! LOL).

You WILL NOT be able to show this...so we will all finally get a break from your idiotic tripe. DEAL??????

 

[TornadoHawk93]

Uh, no. They don't. They ALL state skipping critical steps or a reduction in quality on the end product.
No such steps were skipped.

Uh...yes they do. Just because you can't read and understand the highlighted parts I gave you is on you...not me.

And, point of fact, you simply do not comprehend that when a statement uses AND to connect two or more possibilies....it is entirely different to when they use OR to connect those same two or more possibilities. Again, I am not surprised you would not know this OR you would simply choose to ignore this. Wait, maybe I should have said "not surprised you would not know this AND simply choose to ignore this."

 

[Joes Place]

And, point of fact, you simply do not comprehend that when a statement uses AND to connect two or more possibilies....

You clearly cannot read the definitions posted. Every one indicates "skipping critical steps" and compromising quality.

None of that happened.

 

[Joes Place]

Again, since you refuse to admit your lie

You're the one who used the term "cutting corners"

I posted that quote from you pages ago, Cletus.

 

[TornadoHawk93]

You clearly cannot read the definitions posted. Every one indicates "skipping critical steps" and compromising quality.

None of that happened.

Um....sorry. They say different then what you want. I have have explained that to you. LOL!

 

[TornadoHawk93]

You're the one who used the term "cutting corners"

I posted that quote from you pages ago, Cletus.

You are the KING of lies and deflection. Look, I will of course stick by my LATER statement that they cut the time corner....because it is true.

However, YOU came at me with that claim that I said they "SKIPPED STEPS" RIGHT AFTER MY FIRST POST. Now, all you have to do if show EVERYONE here what my first post was so that they can all see the liar that you are. Look, this is your chance to get me off this thread...so why not take the challenge? Oh, that's right, because YOU were the first to claim I said the words "Skipped Steps". Here si the proof:

ChodeJoesPlace reply: And you appear to be ignorant as to how this was accomplished.
HINT: It was NOT by "skipping steps".

Again, I challenged you show the proof and you cannot do it. You are a liar.

Take the challege CLEE-TUS

 

[Finance85]

FALSE

Pfizer took no "development money". They ran their processes at-risk.
And they did not "alter processes", they ran production startup in parallel with clinical trials testing.

Moderna took Warp Speed money, and may have recouped losses for running a parallel manufacturing process setup during development.

I stand corrected on the development money. They did have an advanced purchase agreement from the US Government for production.

 

[Joes Place]

Um....sorry. They say different then what you want.

No. They clearly don't.

They state exactly what I've posted. It is WHY you have spent pages and pages attempting to post "synonyms" in their place. But you didn't use the synonyms in your post. You said "cutting corners".

 

[Joes Place]

I stand corrected on the development money. They did have an advanced purchase agreement from the US Government for production.

Which means, had they NOT passed clinical trials, there would have been NO SALES of those vaccine doses.

 

[Joes Place]

I will of course stick by my statement that they cut corners....because it is true.

But you ARE NOT sticking by that statement. At all. You've waffled for pages and pages now.

 

[Joes Place]

Meanwhile: New study demonstrates that vaccine boosters are as good as hybrid vaccine/infection responses, 7-9 months out...

https://www.cell.com/immunity/fulltext/S1074-7613(24)00043-8

It is thought that mRNA-based vaccine-induced immunity to severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) wanes quickly, based mostly on short-term studies. Here, we analyzed the kinetics and durability of the humoral responses to SARS-CoV-2 infection and vaccination using >8,000 longitudinal samples collected over a 3-year period in New York City. Upon primary immunization, participants with pre-existing immunity mounted higher antibody responses faster and achieved higher steady-state antibody titers than naive individuals. Antibody kinetics were characterized by two phases: an initial rapid decay, followed by a stabilization phase with very slow decay. Booster vaccination equalized the differences in antibody concentration between participants with and without hybrid immunity, but the peak antibody titers decreased with each successive antigen exposure. Breakthrough infections increased antibodies to similar titers as an additional vaccine dose in naive individuals. Our study provides strong evidence that SARS-CoV-2 antibody responses are long lasting, with initial waning followed by stabilization.

Of particular note: regarding prior infection OR two-doses of early vaccine types - NEITHER appear to provide protection against recent circulating variants, implying that updated vaccine doses with vaccines specifically formulated to those variants will be the ONLY way to gain protection from them.

 

[SocraticIshmael]

Smart people learned during COVID that "fact" checkers were full up to their eyeballs of BS. Guess where that leaves you.

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I don't know what's funnier: the way you deny facts that don't align with your preconceived (and incorrect) notions, a classic sign of lack of critical thinking ability, or the idea that you actually think you are smart.

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Thanks for the laughs!

 

[naturalbornhawk]

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I don't know what's funnier: the way you deny facts that don't align with your preconceived (and incorrect) notions, a classic sign of lack of critical thinking ability, or the idea that you actually think you are smart.

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Thanks for the laughs!

Assuming you actually did fall for getting the COVID vaccine(s), you got duped and your health is worse off because of the lies that were fed to you. Now I don't have to worry about the potential side effects like you. A small part of me actually feels bad for you. The other, larger part of me acknowledges the ignorance with trusting the people who told you to get it in the first place, but mostly the monumental dipshittery it would take to still believe you didn't get duped. Sorry but that is a whole different level of stupidity that's not worth my time. Thanks though.

 

[naturalbornhawk]

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I don't know what's funnier: the way you deny facts that don't align with your preconceived (and incorrect) notions, a classic sign of lack of critical thinking ability, or the idea that you actually think you are smart.

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Thanks for the laughs!

Here, since you like these guys so much you might like this take....

 

[SocraticIshmael]

Assuming you actually did fall for getting the COVID vaccine(s), you got duped and your health is worse off because of the lies that were fed to you. Now I don't have to worry about the potential side effects like you. A small part of me actually feels bad for you. The other, larger part of me acknowledges the ignorance with trusting the people who told you to get it in the first place, but mostly the monumental dipshittery it would take to still believe you didn't get duped. Sorry but that is a whole different level of stupidity that's not worth my time. Thanks though.

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You are worth nobody's time, but we like watching the court jester dance and soil himself.

Thanks for more laughs, you poor, simple little man.

😘

 

[SocraticIshmael]

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Your attempts are hilarious! There is no way you are educated beyond high school.

My dog is a more credible source than what you just posted.

Such a cute little dunce.

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[IANDFAN]

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[TornadoHawk93]

No. They clearly don't.

They state exactly what I've posted. It is WHY you have spent pages and pages attempting to post "synonyms" in their place. But you didn't use the synonyms in your post. You said "cutting corners".

Yes, they do. Synonyms are a part of definitions for a reason. You simply want to ignore the proof. I have posted them for you and you deny. Not shocked. And, I stick by my staement that they did indeed cut the time corner...which they did. LOL!!

 

[TornadoHawk93]

But you ARE NOT sticking by that statement. At all. You've waffled for pages and pages now.

Nice try chode. But see, since EVERYONE can actually look back at what was posted, they will see that what I said was this "I will of course stick by my LATER statement that they cut the time corner....because it is true.". You like to alter what people wrote and then ignore the fact that you got caught in a lie...MULTIPLE TIMES.

If you would only learn that you cannot get away with altering peoples statements, while ignoring your own lies over and over.
Ok, so here goes again...

YOU came at me with that claim that I said they "SKIPPED STEPS" RIGHT AFTER MY FIRST POST. Now, all you have to do if show EVERYONE here what my first post was (even though we all know) so that they can all see (again) the liar that you are. Again, this is your chance to get me off this thread...so why not take the challenge? Oh, that's right, because YOU were the first to claim I said the words "Skipped Steps". Here is the proof one more time:

JoesPlace reply: And you appear to be ignorant as to how this was accomplished.
HINT: It was NOT by "skipping steps".

Again, I have challenged you show the proof and YOU CANNOT DO IT. You are a liar.

141,434 lies and counting folks.

 

[Joes Place]

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[Joes Place]

EVERYONE can actually look back at what was posted

Yes. You stated "cutting corners" or skipping steps.

Then, you tried backtrack by claiming it was "skipping time".

Only, in the context of "cutting corners", which means reducing the quality of the outcome, that would only imply running a SHORTER followup timeframe for the clinical trials than would be warranted by established standards. Which was NOT done.

 

[Joes Place]

Synonyms are a part of definitions for a reason.

Sure. To provide additional context.

That does not make them completely interchangeable.

Your efforts to claim some rando "synonym" is what you really meant, indicates you KNOW what you actually stated was WRONG and have spent many pages trying to backtrack.

 

[LBoogie28]

Assuming you actually did fall for getting the COVID vaccine(s), you got duped and your health is worse off because of the lies that were fed to you. Now I don't have to worry about the potential side effects like you. A small part of me actually feels bad for you. The other, larger part of me acknowledges the ignorance with trusting the people who told you to get it in the first place, but mostly the monumental dipshittery it would take to still believe you didn't get duped. Sorry but that is a whole different level of stupidity that's not worth my time. Thanks though.

 

[TornadoHawk93]

Yes. You stated "cutting corners" or skipping steps.

Then, you tried backtrack by claiming it was "skipping time".

Only, in the context of "cutting corners", which means reducing the quality of the outcome, that would only imply running a SHORTER followup timeframe for the clinical trials than would be warranted by established standards. Which was NOT done.

No....your lie has been blown up and you know it. I have challenged you now on many multiple occassions to put up or shut up with regard to MY first post and your REPLY to it (that shows the moronic liar you are).......and you can't even do that. Good Lord, my first post said NOTHING about Skipping Steps nor Cutting Corners. I simply stated a fact about the some of the publics reaction to fasttracking of the vaccine. Nothing more and nothing less. And, the Medical establishment even acknowledge what I said (as I posted proof) Only a chode such as yourself would warp my words into something they were not...just to start an argument they could not win. 😂

Stop posting on this thread fraud.

 

[Joes Place]

I have challenged you now on many multiple occassions to put up or shut up

And yet, here you are, still posting trying to defend your statement with "synonyms" LOL

 

[TornadoHawk93]

Sure. To provide additional context.

That does not make them completely interchangeable.

Your efforts to claim some rando "synonym" is what you really meant, indicates you KNOW what you actually stated was WRONG and have spent many pages trying to backtrack.

Sorry liar........you simply cannot fathome that you missed the target by going off on something that was not there with my original post. And, your claims to ignore full definitional context is on you.

I am giving you another chance. YOU SHOW BOTH MY FIRST POST AND YOUR REPLY TO MY POST...and then PROVE that I said ANYTHING about "Skipping Steps" or "Cutting Corners" in it. And, then finally admit that YOU were the one to state SKIPPING STEPS on some stupid late night tirade you decided to go on. LOL!

Do it liar or stop posting on this thread.

 

[Joes Place]

Damn you one desperate MoFo.
The walk-backs here are truly hysterical for the rest of us to watch...

 

[TornadoHawk93]

And yet, here you are, still posting trying to defend your statement with "synonyms" LOL

And yet, here you are...still posting and trying to defend your statement by ignoring BOTH fulldefinitions...but even more hilarious is you know you can't get out of the lie that started all of this. Do it chode....come on....YOU SHOW BOTH MY FIRST POST AND YOUR REPLY TO MY POST...and then PROVE that I said ANYTHING about "Skipping Steps" or "Cutting Corners" in it. And, then finally admit that YOU were the one to state SKIPPING STEPS on some stupid late night tirade you decided to go on. LOL!

Do it liar or stop posting on this thread.

 

[TornadoHawk93]

Damn you one desperate MoFo.
The walk-backs here are truly hysterical for the rest of us to watch...

Says the dude with 141,445 post and still can't take the challenge to prove he is not a liar. Seriously...you are one sad, old grandpa. Believe me...you have a ton of people laughing at you at this point. 😂

 

[Joes Place]

And yet, here you are...still posting and trying to defend your statement by ignoring BOTH fulldefinitions

I'm using the COMMON definitions.

You've been struggling to say "listen to my first statement, but ignore my subsequent statements where I said they 'cut corners'..."

 

[TornadoHawk93]

I'm using the COMMON definitions.

You've been struggling to say "listen to my first statement, but ignore my subsequent statements where I said they 'cut corners'..."

No...you are only using PART of the definition. And what is even funnier is that even if you take out the Synonym part.....your shortend definition still supports what I said about them fasttracking the time component to get the vaccine out quicker. This is because you cannot understand the difference beteween the conjuctions AND /OR.

See, if people say that they think Joe is a Chode AND an Idiot...;that has a COMPLETELY different meaning then if they say they think Joe is a Chode OR and Idiot. Check you definitions again and you will learn something.

Now, I am not struggling at all with my first statement and and YOUR reply to that post. Rather, it is you who is unwilling and embarassed to go back and admit you f'ed up right from the start. See it was YOUR reply to my first statement that got you into this mess. And, even when I give you a simple out to get me off this thread once and for all by proving your lie to be true....you simply cannot do it as you know your lie has been exposed. Simple really.

Dude....141,450 post....really? Are you locked in your basement???? 😂

 

[Joes Place]

No...you are only using PART of the definition.

I'm using the COMMON definition. And have source multiple dictionary sites which are all consistent, Cletus.

Take.The.L

 

[naturalbornhawk]

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Your attempts are hilarious! There is no way you are educated beyond high school.

My dog is a more credible source than what you just posted.

Such a cute little dunce.

😘

This is how you know the fact checkers are full of shit. And this goes all the way back to 2020. Whenever there is a point that is made that is counter to the mainstream narrative, they have to immediately come out and fact check it. The fact checks only go one way and that is right along with the mainstream narrative. Show me a fact check that has been done that is contrary to the mainstream media narrative where they actually said it was true.

Then you give it 6 months and you find out that it was true. Sorry but only dummies still believe fact checkers.