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***Official Caitlin/Fever/Kate/Meg Games Mega Thread***

Caitlin will only get better. She’s only 22. She will get stronger. She will develop more offensive skills. She will become a better 3-point shooter. She will become a better defender. She will be a better ball handler. She hasn’t even come close to being her best. In a couple of years she will be the MVP, and nearly unstoppable. But like Jordan, she will need her Caitlinaires.

Boston is a good player. She needs to stay. Mitchell will need to come to understand that this is Caitlin’s team and if she does, she’ll be rewarded for it. Hull is fine, but would be better off the bench. The rest of the team is expendable. But swapping out one role player for another doesn’t help. They need to define what they need. An inside defender to help Boston would be my number 1. It’s too bad Smith refuses to/can’t play defense because she has the athleticism. My number 2 would be another perimeter shooter to make teams pay for guarding Caitlin all over the floor.
 
Ok i have seen this team including cc play very little defense this year except Lexi they need to figure this out next year and be two way players the Sun did this in this series ans i hope they advance further
I know people want to talk about Clarks defense, which is fair, and she certainly makes a sub par effort sometimes. Basically fatigue I think, but I'll let you in on a little secret. CC22 will NEVER be a very good defender in one on one matchups. Oh, I think she'll make some improvement with time, BUT heres the issue. She just isn't quick enough to guard most of the players she's matched up with. On offense she can hide this because she has the ball. She can dictate how her defender moves run them off screens, get their feet turned. All she needs is that half step to get her shoulder past them. Even her layups are usually push shots from about 5 ft off the glass, because she can't get all the way to the rim. Many of her three's are off screens, step backs or big side steps to create space, Watch the three she made in the 4th last night. She moved sideways about 5 ft to get that shot off. She can compensate for her being not as quick or athletic with her skill and footwork WHEN she has the ball. On defense she's at a big disadvantage against speed and quickness. She can't stay in front consistently or get over screens. Teams constantly attack her with the ball because they know this. She may get a little better, but she's always going to be a step behind on defense.
 
Just f$cking gross.

And somehow it was the Sun who were at the FT line all night.

The Fever shot better from three (27% to 26%) and they shot better from 2 (54% to 47%).

The Fever even got up more shot attempts (76 to 72) and overall the Fever shot better (43% to 42%).

The Fever win the game by 9 points when you look strictly at field goals made.

But the difference in the game, of course, was at the FT line. The Sun shot 23 FTs; the Fever only shot 9.

+9 Points
(8 made threes for Indy; 5 for CT)
+0 Points (25 made two-point shots for Indy; 25 for CT)
-15 Points (Fever 7-9 in FTs; Sun 22-23)
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-6 Points (87-81, Fever lose)
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FG Shooting comparison:


.................................Fever............................................Sun................
From 3:.......8-30.....27%........5-19....26%
From 2:
....25-46......54%....25-53....47%
Overall:....33-76......43%....30-72....42%
 
From the few games and highlights I've seem, Sabally is a FA and would be the perfect #2 with KM and AB filling their roles. Athletic and range. She's impressive on the mic and her game fits perfectly with CC. Draft a big. Move Smith for a shooter. Try to unload KLS. Sign someone to replace outgoing wheeler. Can keep fagbenele or dantas if they want.

Players will want to play for Indy. Feel like Indy won't be messing around this offseason with a new front office, then hopefully coaching staff and those roster moves.

Think it's a lot closer than you think... and CC is gonna average 25 a game next year


Not so fast, Mr. General Manager. ;)

I know everyone wants the Fever to go after Satou Sabally (Dallas), who is in her 5th year in the WNBA, but it's not that easy. She was the #2 overall pick in 2020. The 6'4" forward is averaging 17.4 pts, 6.4 rebounds, 4.9 assists, and 1.3 steals this season.

It looks like after your 7th year in the WNBA you become an unrestricted free agent but if the team designates the player as a "core player," the team has rights to that player for 2 more years. Similarly, the Fever could "core" Caitlin Clark when she becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2030 and therefore keep Caitlin through the 2032 season.

This is Kelsey Mitchell's 7th year in the WNBA (and with Indiana). She was the #2 overall pick in 2018, out of Ohio State. She turned 28 on Nov 12. I think (and hope) she stays with the Fever.

A team, however, can core ONE veteran free agent. Between January 1 and January 14, a core qualifying offer can be extended to any player who would otherwise become an unrestricted free agent. Like other qualifying offers, the team and player may still negotiate a contract with different terms. Core qualifying offers have an expiration date of March 7, but the core designation remains. If a player signs any contract, whether it is the qualifying offer or a negotiated contract, while under the core designation, they will be considered that team's one allowable cored player until the contract expires, is terminated, or is traded.

Once the core qualifying offer has been extended, the player may not sign a contract directly with any other team. The core designation gives the team exclusive negotiating rights with the player. The core qualifying offer is a franchise player tag WNBA teams give to a player who would otherwise hit unrestricted free agency. The qualifying offer compels the potential free agent to negotiate solely with the team that cored her. The player gets offered a guaranteed supermax salary for one year in return.

Players who have played 2 or more seasons on contracts that were signed while under the core designation may not be cored again. This means if a player is given the core designation in the 2025 preseason and negotiates a two-year contract while still under that designation, they will not be able to be cored for the remainder of their careers once the contract expires in 2027.

If the core qualifying offer is not extended or is withdrawn, the player becomes an unrestricted free agent.


Comparing apples to apples:

Seattle drafted Breanna Stewart #1 overall out of UConn in 2016; Breanna was an unrestricted free agent after the 2022 season. In January, 2023, she met with New York, Seattle, Minnesota and Washington. She ended up signing with New York and has been there since the 2023 season.

So, Breanna was with Seattle for 7 seasons (2016-2022). She did not play in the 2019 season due to an achilles injury. Not sure if teams could core players at this time, which could have kept Breanna in Seattle 2 more years.

Caitlin Clark's situation:

The Fever have CC's rights for 4 seasons (thru the 2027 season). She then becomes a restricted free agent.

After the 2027 season: once a restricted qualifying offer is extended by the Fever, it makes Caitlin a restricted free agent unless the Fever decides to revoke it. Caitlin could sign that deal. However, restricted free agents are allowed to negotiate freely with any team in the WNBA including their previous team, but their previous team has what is called the 'right of first refusal.' This means that the Fever will be given the opportunity to match a contract that the restricted free agent has agreed to in principle with another team. That agreement is known as an offer sheet in the CBA. If the Fever matches the offer sheet, then Caitlin signs with the Fever at the terms offered by the other team.

So, when would Caitlin become an unrestricted free agent? It's gonna be a while. Not until after the 2030 season. But then the Fever could "core" her and keep her another 2 seasons (through 2032).
 
One thing I don't see mentioned here is that the WNBA will expand this year and next, so some of the players on the bench will likely get drafted. In another post about 15 pages back I said to trade Smith for Sabally and give Dallas Indy's 2025 and 26 1st rd picks.

Now I wonder if N. Smith won't be made available for the expansion draft.

Anyway, good thread and it was fun while it lasted.
 
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Not so fast, Mr. General Manager. ;)

I know everyone wants the Fever to go after Satou Sabally (Dallas), who is in her 5th year in the WNBA, but it's not that easy. She was the #2 overall pick in 2020. The 6'4" forward is averaging 17.4 pts, 6.4 rebounds, 4.9 assists, and 1.3 steals this season.

It looks like after your 7th year in the WNBA you become an unrestricted free agent but if the team designates the player as a "core player," the team has rights to that player for 2 more years. Similarly, the Fever could "core" Caitlin Clark when she becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2030 and therefore keep Caitlin through the 2032 season.

This is Kelsey Mitchell's 7th year in the WNBA (and with Indiana). She was the #2 overall pick in 2018, out of Ohio State. She turned 28 on Nov 12. I think (and hope) she stays with the Fever.

A team, however, can core ONE veteran free agent. Between January 1 and January 14, a core qualifying offer can be extended to any player who would otherwise become an unrestricted free agent. Like other qualifying offers, the team and player may still negotiate a contract with different terms. Core qualifying offers have an expiration date of March 7, but the core designation remains. If a player signs any contract, whether it is the qualifying offer or a negotiated contract, while under the core designation, they will be considered that team's one allowable cored player until the contract expires, is terminated, or is traded.

Once the core qualifying offer has been extended, the player may not sign a contract directly with any other team. The core designation gives the team exclusive negotiating rights with the player. The core qualifying offer is a franchise player tag WNBA teams give to a player who would otherwise hit unrestricted free agency. The qualifying offer compels the potential free agent to negotiate solely with the team that cored her. The player gets offered a guaranteed supermax salary for one year in return.

Players who have played 2 or more seasons on contracts that were signed while under the core designation may not be cored again. This means if a player is given the core designation in the 2025 preseason and negotiates a two-year contract while still under that designation, they will not be able to be cored for the remainder of their careers once the contract expires in 2027.

If the core qualifying offer is not extended or is withdrawn, the player becomes an unrestricted free agent.


Comparing apples to apples:

Seattle drafted Breanna Stewart #1 overall out of UConn in 2016; Breanna was an unrestricted free agent after the 2022 season. In January, 2023, she met with New York, Seattle, Minnesota and Washington. She ended up signing with New York and has been there since the 2023 season.

So, Breanna was with Seattle for 7 seasons (2016-2022). She did not play in the 2019 season due to an achilles injury. Not sure if teams could core players at this time, which could have kept Breanna in Seattle 2 more years.

Caitlin Clark's situation:

The Fever have CC's rights for 4 seasons (thru the 2027 season). She then becomes a restricted free agent.

After the 2027 season: once a restricted qualifying offer is extended by the Fever, it makes Caitlin a restricted free agent unless the Fever decides to revoke it. Caitlin could sign that deal. However, restricted free agents are allowed to negotiate freely with any team in the WNBA including their previous team, but their previous team has what is called the 'right of first refusal.' This means that the Fever will be given the opportunity to match a contract that the restricted free agent has agreed to in principle with another team. That agreement is known as an offer sheet in the CBA. If the Fever matches the offer sheet, then Caitlin signs with the Fever at the terms offered by the other team.

So, when would Caitlin become an unrestricted free agent? It's gonna be a while. Not until after the 2030 season. But then the Fever could "core" her and keep her another 2 seasons (through 2032).
Dallas will core Sabally. Natasha Howard is the available free agent on the Wings that might fill a hole.
 
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Now all Fever fans are racist because of anonymous Twitter comments. I'm so sick of these idiots... half relieved the season is over.
I made this comment earlier in this thread but the comments on facebook, twitter, etc. are horrible and nasty for everyone. I am not even sure real people are making the comments. I would bet caitlin clark took more arrows than every other player combined. This is not downplaying racist comments towards any player, but merely agreeing that comment sections on social media are cesspools, regardless of race or player.
 
I made this comment earlier in this thread but the comments on facebook, twitter, etc. are horrible and nasty for everyone. I am not even sure real people are making the comments. I would bet caitlin clark took more arrows than every other player combined. This is not downplaying racist comments towards any player, but merely agreeing that comment sections on social media are cesspools, regardless of race or player.
Sorry but I have zero sympathy for people who subject themselves to abuse by reading anonymous Twitter comments when they could just as easily not read or engage with them at all. I didn't feel sorry for the McCafferys then and I don't feel sorry for the WNBA players now. Morons
 
Sorry but I have zero sympathy for people who subject themselves to abuse by reading anonymous Twitter comments when they could just as easily not read or engage with them at all. I didn't feel sorry for the McCafferys then and I don't feel sorry for the WNBA players now. Morons
Tks for being such a positive person..
 
Dallas will core Sabally. Natasha Howard is the available free agent on the Wings that might fill a hole.

Actually, I don't believe that is true when it comes to Sabally.

Again, Satou Sabally (Dallas) is in just her 5th year in the WNBA.

It looks like after the player's 7th year in the WNBA she becomes an unrestricted free agent but if the team designates the player as a "core player," the team has rights to that player for 2 more years.

6'2 forward Natasha Howard (Dallas) is in her 10th season and turned 33 on Sep 2. This season she earned $234,350 and averaged 17.6 pts, 6.7 rebounds, 2.9 assists and 1.3 steals. She shot 45% from the field but just 20% from 3.
 
I'm hopeful the refs eventually show some respect to the Fever as they work towards becoming a perennial playoff team.
At this point, as has been obvious with the fouls disparity, they're not there yet.
 
I'm still not sure how Boston fits.
Slow footed, not a great defender, limited offensively....
Lots of holes to fill.
Boston is also very young and I don’t know what it is, but she seems to get screwed on so many calls on both sides of the floor. I don’t think she’ll ever be an A’ja Wilson type of player as far as production and talent, but her leadership on this team is very valuable.

The Fever def need an upgrade in talent, but Boston, CC and Mitchell are a great start. Similar to the Aces a few years ago, there’s a reason they had back to back number 1 picks. Add some pieces this offseason and they’ll contend next year.
 
The Fever roster has significant issues. The bigger problem is that everyone knows they're going to be buyers instead of sellers. And they don't have much in the way of assets that other teams will want. They also have too many non-contributors on contract for another year or more. 2026 is really the season they should be targeting for a championship run.
  1. Mitchell is a FA, so the team can't trade her.
  2. Wheeler is a FA, so the team can't trade her and nobody would want her.
  3. Temi is a FA and basically a replacement player that nobody will want.
  4. KLS is under contract for another year, but nobody will want her because her contract is badly overpaid.
  5. Smith is under contract for another year, but almost nobody will want an underperforming player that is going to look to get paid in a year as a RFA.
  6. Wallace is under contract for another and has no value.
  7. Dantas is under contract for another year and has limited value in a trade. With her contract she's more valuable to keep on the bench
  8. Berger is under contract for 2 more years and has no value.
  9. Saxton is under contract for 2 more years and has no value.
  10. Hull is under contract for another year, and has some trade value but is the only person on the team that can defend. With her contract she's more valuable to keep, hopefully as a bench player.
  11. Boston is nearly untouchable, but does have a lot of trade value for the right offer.
  12. Clark is untouchable.
They're going have to hope that either Smith or KLS gets taken in the expansion draft. KLS is at least a good teammate and has a chance at being a better player another year removed from having her kid. Smith leaving would be addition by subtraction. Hopefully it is Smith that gets selected. But otherwise, trades in the WNBA are rare. And with what the Fever have as assets, no meaningful trades are going to happen. If neither Smith or KLS are taken, then the GM has to find a way to do a 2 for 1 package of Smith with one of the cheap contracts like Berger/Saxton to a team to open up a roster spot.

At PG you let Wheeler walk and go with Berger as the backup to Clark.

At SG you have to address it in FA. As on fire as Mitchell was to finish the regular season, I'd see if there's any SG out there that you can get as a FA that also plays defense. If you can't find that then you offer Mitchell a big contract to keep her for another year. I'm thinking that they'll find a SG in the draft to play backup, hopefully Citron from ND. Mitchell is probably a max contract player, you may be able to find the defensive SG at a cheaper rate.

At SF, you want Hull to come off the bench where she delivers great value, so you're looking for a 3 and D style player in FA. Maybe not a max contract, but something large. You may not be able to do that though if KLS is still around considering her contract. So this is still a potential weak point on the team and you're hoping KLS gets better after another year out from having her baby.

Once you know what you're doing at SG, then you can figure out PF/C. You're probably resigning Temi for cheap to go along with Boston and Dantas. If you bring back Mitchell, then you need a big that is a defensive presence. If you bring in a defensive SG, then another big that has some shooting range would be useful. This is probably a max contract-style player in FA.

That's a 10-deep roster with 1- 3 new Free Agents, and Wallace/Saxton on the deep bench burning out their contracts.

That team is probably not making it past the 2nd round in the playoffs, even with a new coach. With Sides it probably has a similar result to this season. Hands are really tied until roster spots open up from bad contracts/bad players. Saxton, Wallace, Berger, KLS, and Smith are all basically empty roster spots right now, with a bit less than $500k of cap space being chewed up by them.
 
Boston is also very young and I don’t know what it is, but she seems to get screwed on so many calls on both sides of the floor. I don’t think she’ll ever be an A’ja Wilson type of player as far as production and talent, but her leadership on this team is very valuable.

The Fever def need an upgrade in talent, but Boston, CC and Mitchell are a great start. Similar to the Aces a few years ago, there’s a reason they had back to back number 1 picks. Add some pieces this offseason and they’ll contend next year.
Agree. People questioning Boston need their heads examined. 7-12 from the field last night, 19 rebounds and 16 points. Can't really have a better game, and just finished her 2nd year and already an All Star along w/CC and Mitchell. Great core of 3. But that's all we have. Look at the 4 teams in the semis. All deep and talented. Smith quitting on the team and being a flop as the number 2 overall pick really sets a team back. We ended up playing Fagbenle 35 minutes last night because of that. She probably averages 8-10 minutes a game normally? And she played her ass off. But she's a journeywoman. Hull is a realistic 15-18 minute a game player on a top 4 team. Fever need at a minimum 2 athletic wings. And they also need competent backups for CC and also Mitchell, as it's ridiculous to expect them to play 35-38 minutes throughout every game of the entire season.
 
Ok i have seen this team including cc play very little defense this year except Lexi they need to figure this out next year and be two way players the Sun did this in this series ans i hope they advance further
Lol. Lexi plays very little offense most of the time .

Playing more defensive involves whacking other players arms and jumping in front of other playerz while running at full speed which other teams do to Clark.

Boston never gets a break on any call. While Wilson can do a dance 💃 moving to set screens.

I expect college level officiating and the dub is no where near that.
 
The Fever def need an upgrade in talent, but Boston, CC and Mitchell are a great start.

I think the new Fever President will want to keep these 3 for sure and the remaining 9 on the roster will be expendable.

We'll also see (hopefully soon) what she does with the current GM and Head Coach.
 
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"Unrestricted" free agent can be "cored" for two years. You just got to love lawyers.
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I don't know if it would work with the cap but LA seems to be in a rebuilding mode so I wonder of Indiana could find a way to get Dearica Hamby from them.
 
I think the new Fever President will want to keep these 3 for sure and the remaining 9 on the roster will be expendable.

We'll also see (hopefully soon) what she does with the current GM and Head Coach.
Looking at the season as a whole, CC, AB, KM are the only must haves. Would like to haves include Lexi and Dantas. Maybe have is Temi, but she really regressed in my mind after her injuries. The rest can go.
 
Everyone bags on Smith and I understand.
However, last year, 2023, she was top 20 scorer and top 10 rebounder. The talent is there that GS will either take her or Wheeler depending on other choices.
She has way more talent than bottom half the roster, just not a high bb IQ and wants volume touches which does not fit Fever
 
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The WNBA has to change the way they play/officiate games. What they currently have is allowed/promoted/officiated as ugly rugby basketball. Changing would take a considerable adjustment from every player in the league, and that can only come slowly, but starts at the top.

This is what the NFL has been doing for some time, with rules and adjustments that benefitted offenses, especially at the WR position. It's also been a big focus to create a safer game ( which comes with some downside for fans, but nobody wants to see the star players injured either).

Will the WNBA do it, and how long will it take? Big questions. Seems somewhat doubtful looking at it right now, but geesh, a foul is a foul. Learn how to play defense without bodying up or accept that you got beat. Call it every time until the players get in line and adjust.

Otherwise, yeah, it's garbage street ball. Ugly basketball.
 
I think Clark can definitely learn to play better defense, but she's going to have to actually focus on it. She rarely even gets into a proper defensive stance and posture to defend and move laterally. Sure, that takes some quicks, but also takes practice and technique. Maybe she adds more of that to her off-season workouts.
 
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The WNBA has to change the way they play/officiate games. What they currently have is allowed/promoted/officiated as ugly rugby basketball. Changing would take a considerable adjustment from every player in the league, and that can only come slowly, but starts at the top.

This is what the NFL has been doing for some time, with rules and adjustments that benefitted offenses, especially at the WR position. It's also been a big focus to create a safer game ( which comes with some downside for fans, but nobody wants to see the star players injured either).

Will the WNBA do it, and how long will it take? Big questions. Seems somewhat doubtful looking at it right now, but geesh, a foul is a foul. Learn how to play defense without bodying up or accept that you got beat. Call it every time until the players get in line and adjust.

Otherwise, yeah, it's garbage street ball. Ugly basketball.
Honestly, I don't see it changing any time soon. Too many engrained battle axes committed to post first basketball, mixed with the worst of what the 80s and 90s offered in the NBA. It will take years in my opinion, for the old guard to phase out of the W, before it happens.
 
I think Clark can definitely learn to play better defense, but she's going to have to actually focus on it. She rarely even gets into a proper defensive stance and posture to defend and move laterally. Sure, that takes some quicks, but also takes practice and technique. Maybe she adds more of that to her off-season workouts.
I think it just comes down to energy conservation. Say she has 170 units of energy. She is spending 100 on offense and 70 on defense. She can up her defensive intensity, but it will slow down the pace on offense in terms of getting out on the break and running, or have someone else be the primary ball handler for part of the game. That decreases her value tremendously. So I think you just try to get 4 stoppers on the floor with her, and let her sag on her defender and rebound.
 
Everyone bags on Smith and I understand.
However, last year, 2023, she was top 20 scorer and top 10 rebounder. The talent is there that GS will either take her or Wheeler depending on other choices.
She has way more talent than bottom half the roster, just not a high bb IQ and wants volume touches which does not fit Fever
Smith definitely has some talent, but I just don’t think she bought into the team concept and the new style of play they changed to after they got clark. It would probably benefit her and the team if they parted ways.

If I’m an owner, I’m concerned by the lack of effort she has to set screens for my franchise player (Clark) and the me first comments she’s always posting. Wheeler isn’t great, but look at her attitude and toughness compared to Smith. She has Clark’s back and was a great vet for Clark to lean on. Smith had a chance last night to set some screens on Carrington to free up Clark and instead of doing her job, she went through the motions. That’s concerning. Get rid of her. You have to think her girlfriend (who clearly hates Clark) can’t be a good influence on her either.
 
Smith definitely has some talent, but I just don’t think she bought into the team concept and the new style of play they changed to after they got clark. It would probably benefit her and the team if they parted ways.

If I’m an owner, I’m concerned by the lack of effort she has to set screens for my franchise player (Clark) and the me first comments she’s always posting. Wheeler isn’t great, but look at her attitude and toughness compared to Smith. She has Clark’s back and was a great vet for Clark to lean on. Smith had a chance last night to set some screens on Carrington to free up Clark and instead of doing her job, she went through the motions. That’s concerning. Get rid of her. You have to think her girlfriend (who clearly hates Clark) can’t be a good influence on her either.
I 100% agree with you.
More so, I was pointing out she has talent/potential a lot more than some players and could be valuable to an expansion team. She can be a quality starter for a lottery team, but Indiana is now trying to graduate to hosting playoff games.
 
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I 100% agree with you.
More so, I was pointing out she has talent/potential a lot more than some players and could be valuable to an expansion team. She can be a quality starter for a lottery team, but Indiana is now trying to graduate to hosting playoff games.
The main problem in this was discussed awhile back in this thread, and that is that it will be very difficult in free agency given the existing contracts. Smith is not a good fit, but she is still on a cheap rookie contract. I would try my damnedest to trade her and picks in a package for Sabally (or some type of agreement where they don't core her). If they do that, they could sign her and Mitchell, and then a player or two to get use up the 280K or whatever would be left to spend. Maybe that is a combo of Temi and Wheeler. For the Fever to make another big signing, they would need for SF to take KLS in the expansion draft. Below is a summary of contracts.

 
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