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****Official Cubs 2015 Thread****

The way this team is constructed right now is fun to watch. Maddon has used the expanded roster masterfully. They have some decisions come playoff time on who to put on the playoff roster. The 1 game against Pit (assuming they don't catch the Cards) will be an easier decision since they can leave off a few starters for extra bench spots but if they get past that it is going to be a tough decision on who to leave off the roster.
 
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The Cubs need some starting pitchers other than Lester or Arrieta that go more than four innings. Also the Cardinals are a bunch of punks.
 
Brian_Fantana said:
The way this team is constructed right now is fun to watch. Maddon has used the expanded roster masterfully. They have some decisions come playoff time on who to put on the playoff roster. The 1 game against Pit (assuming they don't catch the Cards) will be an easier decision since they can leave off a few starters for extra bench spots but if they get past that it is going to be a tough decision on who to leave off the roster.
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Here is my guess at their roster at the NLDS:

Arietta/Lester/Hammel/Hendricks

Rondon/Strop/Grimm/Rodney/Richard/Wood/Cahill OR Hunter OR Ramirez OR Motte

Rizzo/Castro/Russell/Bryant/Baez/La Stella/Herrea/Montero/Ross

Fowler/Coghlan/Schwarber/Soler/Jackson

Left Out: Denorifia/ Haren

Jackson is getting alot more of the ABs other then denorifia lately, so have to assume Joe goes with Jackson. Final spot is probaly Herrea v Denorifia
 
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Good lineup tonight. The Brewers are going with a really weak rotation for the series with the Cubs starting tonight. I can't be greedy, but, the Brewers are in complete free fall. Clearly they are going for a higher draft pick, and, I wonder what the locker room is like? Garza was basically sent home for the year, and it must be hard to keep your focus down that far with the offseason looming.
 
lucas80 said:
Great win today. I am glad Maddon called out Matheny. He's from the LaRussa school of managing like a bum. The Cardinals have thrown at more batters than any other team in baseball since LaRussa took over.
I love Maddon calling Matheny out over managing with a copy of the unwritten rules of baseball hanging out of his back pocket.
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Maybe Maddon should worry about his own team. Cardinals hit 1 Cub this series and the Cubs hit 4 Cardinals. Hmmm, and he called out Matheny? There are only 3 teams in all of baseball that have hit less batters than the Cardinals this year......and the Cubs aren't one of them. So, does that make Maddon more of a "managing like a bum" candidate than Matheny?
I am not calling out Maddon (other than puzzled that he would call out Matheny) as I think that Maddon is a very good manager. I can understand people not liking LaRussa; but, find it hard to believe that there can be anyone who knows much about baseball that doesn't respect Matheny.
 
I don't respect Matheny. I've posted in previous years that he sits in the dugout and orders batters to be hit. That's BS. As a former player you'd think he'd show guys the courtesy of not risking their careers on his tough guy persona.
 
The ball Schwarber hit in the 3rd was blistered. Baseball is a funny game when a ball smoked like that turns into an out. Then Castro gets a double out of a blooper.
 
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lucas80 said:
I don't respect Matheny. I've posted in previous years that he sits in the dugout and orders batters to be hit. That's BS. As a former player you'd think he'd show guys the courtesy of not risking their careers on his tough guy persona.
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Are you just baiting or are you really that stupid? Actually, I have read a lot of your posts and the answer is crystal clear.
Maybe you are right and Matheny told Holiday to get hit in the head by a pitch....or maybe you are out of your mind. He does not tell players to be hit. How could he even control that? Does he control the opposing pitcher and make him throw at the Cardinal batters? If they lean into a pitch (which none of them do) they wouldn't get awarded first base anyway. Quit sniffing glue.
 
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Are you just baiting or are you really that stupid? Actually, I have read a lot of your posts and the answer is crystal clear.
Maybe you are right and Matheny told Holiday to get hit in the head by a pitch....or maybe you are out of your mind. He does not tell players to be hit. How could he even control that? Does he control the opposing pitcher and make him throw at the Cardinal batters? If they lean into a pitch (which none of them do) they wouldn't get awarded first base anyway. Quit sniffing glue.
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He's saying that matheny orders his pitchers to hit batters not that he orders his batters to get hit
 
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Maybe Maddon should worry about his own team. Cardinals hit 1 Cub this series and the Cubs hit 4 Cardinals. Hmmm, and he called out Matheny? There are only 3 teams in all of baseball that have hit less batters than the Cardinals this year......and the Cubs aren't one of them. So, does that make Maddon more of a "managing like a bum" candidate than Matheny?
I am not calling out Maddon (other than puzzled that he would call out Matheny) as I think that Maddon is a very good manager. I can understand people not liking LaRussa; but, find it hard to believe that there can be anyone who knows much about baseball that doesn't respect Matheny.
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I think Maddon is worried just the right amount about his own team. Best record in baseball since July 27, and have won 6/9 against the Cards.

I think its funny that you use the "knows much about baseball" card when you think that Haren hit Holiday in the head on purpose. Anyone who knows baseball beyond a t ball level knows that you dont hit people in the head on purpose (especially with a 90 mph fastball)

Also, i have no clue if anyone hit anyone on purpose and Rizzo/Maddon might have over reacted. But all 3 batters hit by Cubs pitchers were on counts with 2 strikes. 2 of them were 1-2 counts and the other one was 2-2. There is no way Maddon would bring in his closer Rondon to hit someone on purpose. It forced him to use a 40 man roster call up to try and save the game.
 
CuttyDoesIt said:
Also, i have no clue if anyone hit anyone on purpose and Rizzo/Maddon might have over reacted. But all 3 batters hit by Cubs pitchers were on counts with 2 strikes. 2 of them were 1-2 counts and the other one was 2-2. There is no way Maddon would bring in his closer Rondon to hit someone on purpose. It forced him to use a 40 man roster call up to try and save the game.
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It's also worth noting that once two teams start going at it with retaliatory strikes, there's the potential for suspensions by the league. Again, to Cutty's point, no way Maddon brings in Rondon to hit someone on purpose and take the chance that his closer gets suspended down the stretch. I get the umps tossing Rondon, but if Maddon was going to hit someone on purpose, he'd have started the inning with Rosscup because, well, Rosscup.
 
CuttyDoesIt said:
I think Maddon is worried just the right amount about his own team. Best record in baseball since July 27, and have won 6/9 against the Cards.

I think its funny that you use the "knows much about baseball" card when you think that Haren hit Holiday in the head on purpose. Anyone who knows baseball beyond a t ball level knows that you dont hit people in the head on purpose (especially with a 90 mph fastball)

Also, i have no clue if anyone hit anyone on purpose and Rizzo/Maddon might have over reacted. But all 3 batters hit by Cubs pitchers were on counts with 2 strikes. 2 of them were 1-2 counts and the other one was 2-2. There is no way Maddon would bring in his closer Rondon to hit someone on purpose. It forced him to use a 40 man roster call up to try and save the game.
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Where did I ever indicate that he hit Holiday on purpose? I was saying that Cubs pitching hit 4 Cardinal while the Cards hit 1 Cub. Yet, he calls Matheny out. It is fine if you believe that every Cubs batter that is ever hit is done on purpose but all the batters the Cubs pitchers hit are all accidents....just doesn't make it true. The point to what I posted earlier, if Matheny is ordering pitchers to hit batters then why are the Cardinals one of the teams with the lowest HPB in pitching stats?
Cardinals best record in baseball period and won 11/19 against the Cubs.
The Cubs are playing great and could win it all. The season no longer matters once you are in the playoffs. I was just posting to defend Matheny against a ridiculous assertion made by lucas80.
 
It's part of the game and all that but your stats about the lowest HPB rate actually makes it more likely that Rizzo was targeted. STL has very good pitching, but suddenly after Holliday gets hit, there's a fastball that hits the back of Rizzo's rear leg? That's not just a pitch that got away, that's a message.

It's all gamesmanship. Maddon has been around the game forever and knows how these things work. His comments were strategic, too. If the Cubs and Cardinals meet up in the playoffs, I think it's going to be a very good series and the atmosphere in both parks will be electric.
 
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Where did I ever indicate that he hit Holiday on purpose? I was saying that Cubs pitching hit 4 Cardinal while the Cards hit 1 Cub. Yet, he calls Matheny out. It is fine if you believe that every Cubs batter that is ever hit is done on purpose but all the batters the Cubs pitchers hit are all accidents....just doesn't make it true. The point to what I posted earlier, if Matheny is ordering pitchers to hit batters then why are the Cardinals one of the teams with the lowest HPB in pitching stats?
Cardinals best record in baseball period and won 11/19 against the Cubs.
The Cubs are playing great and could win it all. The season no longer matters once you are in the playoffs. I was just posting to defend Matheny against a ridiculous assertion made by lucas80.
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You realize Maddon made the comments after game one, where it was 1 to 1. Then the cubs hit 3 batters with 2 strikes, like previously mentioned.

Keep pounding your chest over Cardinals dominating the Cubs in April/May though
 
CuttyDoesIt said:
You realize Maddon made the comments after game one, where it was 1 to 1. Then the cubs hit 3 batters with 2 strikes, like previously mentioned.

Keep pounding your chest over Cardinals dominating the Cubs in April/May though
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I wasn't pounding my chest...simply replying to the cherry-picked stats of Cubs winning 6/9 when that poster even split a series to get that number. Did you even pay attention to what I wrote after that?
 
You don't plunk guys in the head. Period. Accidental or not. Get your act together.

If you guys knew Matheny's history, you know he's had concussion issues. The Cards retaliated because they're sending a message to the Cubs to get their pitchers to get their shit together with their control to where you're not endangering a guy's career with any pitch.

I'll guarantee not only did Matheny not order that, but the relief pitcher did it on his own. Why? Because the Cubs pitcher needed a lesson taught to him. If you knew anything about how the Cards operate, you'll know that LaRussa railed on opposing pitchers to get their act together several times through the years because beaning a guy can end a career or worse. Matheny is only echoing what he learned from TLR.

Holliday hit in the goddam helmet. Rizzo is then hit in the leg. Yeah...Cards are the bad guys, go on believing that.

If anything, it proves the Cubs pitchers suck and are a bunch of winy-ass snot noses at this baseball thingy they're playing.
 
bagdropper said:
You don't plunk guys in the head. Period. Accidental or not. Get your act together.

If you guys knew Matheny's history, you know he's had concussion issues. The Cards retaliated because they're sending a message to the Cubs to get their pitchers to get their shit together with their control to where you're not endangering a guy's career with any pitch.

I'll guarantee not only did Matheny not order that, but the relief pitcher did it on his own. Why? Because the Cubs pitcher needed a lesson taught to him. If you knew anything about how the Cards operate, you'll know that LaRussa railed on opposing pitchers to get their act together several times through the years because beaning a guy can end a career or worse. Matheny is only echoing what he learned from TLR.

Holliday hit in the goddam helmet. Rizzo is then hit in the leg. Yeah...Cards are the bad guys, go on believing that.

If anything, it proves the Cubs pitchers suck and are a bunch of winy-ass snot noses at this baseball thingy they're playing.
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I cant wait to watch you get your ass kicked in the NLDS
 
Well, technically I can hold out hope for an utter, complete, 12 game collapse. But now I can switch to the Nationals! Go Nats!
 
Do the Nats even have the 10-3 run in them that would be needed if the Cubs finish 0-12?
 
CuttyDoesIt said:
How is that losing 6/7 to pirates and all 3 to the cardinals prediction working out?
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Horrendously.

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Although if they DO choke, and the Nats go beast mode....it will be so much sweeter.
 
W.
I am a little surprised Maddon let Arrieta go the distance. With a 4-0 lead I thought he'd pull him to ease the burden on the arm as the playoffs approach. But, perhaps he was allowing Jake to send a message to the Cy Young voters, or to the team that they need to be all in.
It should be a series sweep tomorrow.
 
Kenneth Griffin said:
If it were just that easy to get your act together dan harren would be a good pitcher.
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That's the point exactly.

Haren - a Cardinal farmhand and a long time vet, was trying to pitch inside - and should know friggin' better how to do this. A kid I'd think StL would allow a little rope (if he doesn't hit the helmet that is). But not a former Cardinal and a vet like Haren.

I know the Cubs and their fans are getting all syrupy about how they've manhandled the Cards this September...but they're also just foolish enough to kick to the curb the point that StL is missing roughly half the most important players on the club during that time, and are starting to get those guys back. Plus, playoff baseball is now all about bullpens and defense...if you look at recent playoff baseball, you better be great at both. They're effectively 6 inning games...trust your bullpen over 3 innings every playoff game?

What's the weakest parts of Chicago's team? Remind me again?


Chicago has a puncher's chance...and if playoff baseball rewards slugging teams, then we'll see Toronto and Chicago in the WS. Something tells me it's going to be KC and StL there though because they got the starters, bullpens, and defenses that recent history tells us wins in playoff baseball.

I will admit...I'd like to see the Cubs beat Pittsburgh - just not sure they can because of the crapshoot aspect of it, and it looks like they'll be at Pittsburgh to do it. And a Cubs/Cards series would be insanely great for the sport overall.

Either way...great season for Chicago, and a great future lies ahead for them.
 
bagdropper said:
Chicago has a puncher's chance...and if playoff baseball rewards slugging teams, then we'll see Toronto and Chicago in the WS. Something tells me it's going to be KC and StL there though because they got the starters, bullpens, and defenses that recent history tells us wins in playoff baseball.

I will admit...I'd like to see the Cubs beat Pittsburgh - just not sure they can because of the crapshoot aspect of it, and it looks like they'll be at Pittsburgh to do it. And a Cubs/Cards series would be insanely great for the sport overall.

Either way...great season for Chicago, and a great future lies ahead for them.
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I still think the Cubs are doing this all a year early, though you're right, they'll have a puncher's chance in the playoffs. They'll be tough to beat when Arrieta and Lester pitch and then they'll have to steal games somewhere else. On the likely Pittsburgh WC game, the one thing the Cubs really do have going for them is that Pittsburgh will have to beat Arrieta.....or do enough offensively to stay close and get into the bullpen.
 
The Cubs have a great bench, both in terms of the bats..but also the gloves.....Castro, Baez, Russell..not bad. The outfield is getting better. If they did make the series...they are actually somewhat better off, having Schwarber DH...Jesus that is a scary line up
 
The Cubs and the Hawkeyes are making life a little more bearable at the moment....I need them in the series
 
bagdropper said:
You don't plunk guys in the head. Period. Accidental or not. Get your act together.

If you guys knew Matheny's history, you know he's had concussion issues. The Cards retaliated because they're sending a message to the Cubs to get their pitchers to get their shit together with their control to where you're not endangering a guy's career with any pitch.

I'll guarantee not only did Matheny not order that, but the relief pitcher did it on his own. Why? Because the Cubs pitcher needed a lesson taught to him. If you knew anything about how the Cards operate, you'll know that LaRussa railed on opposing pitchers to get their act together several times through the years because beaning a guy can end a career or worse. Matheny is only echoing what he learned from TLR.

Holliday hit in the goddam helmet. Rizzo is then hit in the leg. Yeah...Cards are the bad guys, go on believing that.

If anything, it proves the Cubs pitchers suck and are a bunch of winy-ass snot noses at this baseball thingy they're playing.
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You know what else can be career threatening? Driving drunk and/or high. Maybe the cardinals should fix that before they worry about teaching other team's pitchers how to pitch.
 
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