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His minor league K numbers mirror MLB rates of Stanton if I'm reading them correct...both strike out an awful lot.
He better make the most out of the contact he does make like Stanton does.
He better make the most out of the contact he does make like Stanton does.
Guess that's a bonus for me.....I was in town for a Joe Bonamassa concert last night and decided as long as I was here I might as well do a Cubs game if the weather was good.
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It never gets old having Cardinal fans trying to disparage the Cubs rebuilding effort in any way they can.
This is going to be so fun listening to them when the Cubs are dominating the division.
If he goes .275/.390/.510 for the next 5 years, I won't care if he strikes out 200 times a season. .900 OPS with 30+ HRs will be worth the trade off.
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I have from day 1 of the Theo era, and even back to when I came to this board in the early 2000's - espoused the concept of the Cubs doing exactly what Theo is doing now. Cubs fans pissed and moaned the last 4 years about their lack of FA movement as money came off the books - looking for quick fixes. Effectively desiring the exact same mistakes they've made through the years to get them into the spot they were in.
Build from within, and frigging stick to that no matter what or how long it takes. For years I've been telling the Cub fans here and with the Cub fans I work with that you have to be patient to build the type of franchise that is self-sustaining for the long term like the Cards have done for decades.
You must be patient with this kid. Hell, many Cubs fans have already commissioned his HOF plaque.
I do not harbor the hatred of the Cubs other Cards fans do because I started listening to the Cubs on radio during the Jack Brickhouse, Vince Lloyd/Lou Boudreaux era. I grew up listening to the Cubs - yet was a Cards fan. Hell, I can hear the Old Style commercials about krausening right now!
I am about as objective a Cards fan with regards to the Cubs as anybody in the world today, and am also going to rip St. Louis when they deserve it.
My point still stands. With K numbers like that, he'd better make the most of when he makes contact or he'll basically be Rob Deer.
The kid has been compared to a guy making $30M a year now before he's taken a single ML AB. So, I believe it's fair to say that if he truly is that type of talent, his numbers have to emulate the comparison.
I'm also old enough to know that not all kids with lofty expectations make it as big as the expectations are. So...give the kid a chance. We're probably not going to know what the kid truly is for another 2 years from now.
cubs fan here, and i don't think you're completely wrong. but the way mlb is going these days with high power/high strikeout guys, maybe he'll be ok. i don't really understand the thinking behind this kind of hitting, but it seems to be the trend.
as far as the cubs go, i think that we (as fans) should maybe be even more excited for the arrival of russell. he looks to have more impact on the long term stability of the team.
For me, the quetion is more about what kind of outs he has. If he hits .230 with 150 Ks, that's a massive problem. If he hits .300 with 150 Ks and power, then I can live with that. He's shown good ability to take a walk, so he sees a lot of pitches, which is a positive.
Most importantly, though, every hitter has outs. A .300 hitter with 500 ABs is going to make 350 outs. Ideally, they'd mostly be contact that moves a runner, but there are definitely times when I'll take a K over a hard hit grounder for a DP to end a rally. If he's patient, gets his share of walks and hits for both good average and power, I'm not going to worry a ton about the strikeouts.
What I'm interested to see is what his presence does to the guys hitting around him. I expect Fowler to see a lot of strikes and then after him is the Soler-Rizzo-Bryant run. If Kris gets out quickly at all, that's going to give Rizzo and Soler a lot of protection. That could be a very potent top/middle of the order very quickly.
Yep...GM's don't seem to be concerned with K rates as they used to. But the example made is an excellent one.
Batting .350 is batting .350, even with 200 k's. Not all batting averages are the same.
You Cubbies might think this is strange...but I hope the kid succeeds. I really do. Ernie Banks passed on recently. It would be nice if the Cubs would become what I would term consistently relevant - and to do that, they need this kid to live up to the expectations. If he does become another Stanton...that makes him the modern day Ernie Banks.
I think that would be a good thing for the franchise, the city, and all Cub fans.
0 for 2, 2 K's so far... 500+ more of these lives to live yet this year.
Batting .350 is batting .350, even with 200 k's. Not all batting averages are the same.
You Cubbies might think this is strange...but I hope the kid succeeds. I really do. Ernie Banks passed on recently. It would be nice if the Cubs would become what I would term consistently relevant - and to do that, they need this kid to live up to the expectations. If he does become another Stanton...that makes him the modern day Ernie Banks.
I think that would be a good thing for the franchise, the city, and all Cub fans.
0 for 2, 2 K's so far... 500+ more of these lives to live yet this year.
I watched the game today and Shields basically showed the Rook what MLB is about. It was comical and I am a Cubs fan. He was pressing today, and he'll be fine.Originally posted by hawkifann:
He did show some good glove work, so I was at least happy to see that. Fortunately, he won't have to face James Shields every single day.Originally posted by GlenHawk:
Twas a blue Krismas
Agreed on the last part.Originally posted by ICWestfan:
I watched the game today and Shields basically showed the Rook what MLB is about. It was comical and I am a Cubs fan. He was pressing today, and he'll be fine.Originally posted by hawkifann:
He did show some good glove work, so I was at least happy to see that. Fortunately, he won't have to face James Shields every single day.Originally posted by GlenHawk:
Twas a blue Krismas
And bag, wasn't meant totally at you. Just in general, you hear a lot of "I've heard this before" with the Cubs. This is clearly such a different franchise than before, but so many Cards fans will not accept that. Those are the people who will be so fun when this thing is fully turned around.
I think we are seeing why the Tigers gave up on Phil Coke. I have a bunch of friends who are Tigers fans, and they were warning me about him. I think he gets jettisoned when some of the guys on the DL are ready. Still, the team persevered and came back to win today. Wada threw in AAA last night, and his only role for now would be in the bullpen. Not sure if he replaces Coke, but, I don't think Coke lasts the year in Chicago.
Speaking of guys currently in the minors, Dan Vogelbach is torching AA. With more work he could be a great trade piece in a deal with an AL team.
Speaking of guys currently in the minors, Dan Vogelbach is torching AA. With more work he could be a great trade piece in a deal with an AL team.
Here comes Addison Russell. Numerous sources saying he's on the way. I am surprised he is coming up this early. He has been playing 2B the last few days, so I suppose he gets plugged in there. It'll be fun to see where Maddon puts him in the batting order.
He is certainly looking good so far.
The league will make adjustments, he will make adjustments...what is "the standard" that some people say you need to pronounce judgment so to speak? Something like 1000 PA's? Can't remember for certain.
The league will make adjustments, he will make adjustments...what is "the standard" that some people say you need to pronounce judgment so to speak? Something like 1000 PA's? Can't remember for certain.
Hoping that He can play lights out, allowing the Cubs to give Baez and Alcantara another couple months in Iowa to get right. I think they need to get Arrieta signed long term, maybe trade Baez, Voglebach, and C.J. Edwards for another starter.
I think it's somewhere in that 1,000 PAs ballpark. That's right in the vicinity of 2 seasons. If a guy sucks after virtually 2 full ML seasons or is still hammering pitching 2 seasons in, he probably is what he appears to be. You're right, though, there will be adjustments and counter-adjustments.
Every hitter has a weakness, so the key for that hitter is minimizing that weakness and maximizing strength. Pitchers will figure out where Bryant is weak and the key for Bryant will be to cover enough on those pitches and make pitchers pay when they miss their spots.
Every hitter has a weakness, so the key for that hitter is minimizing that weakness and maximizing strength. Pitchers will figure out where Bryant is weak and the key for Bryant will be to cover enough on those pitches and make pitchers pay when they miss their spots.
I'm curious where he'll bat. My guess is that they'll keep the pressure off and keep him low in the order. 7th after Coghlan or would they bat him 9th? I think I'd roll him 7th:
Fowler CF
Soler RF
Rizzo 1B
Bryant 3B
Castro SS
Coghlan LF
Russell 2B
Wood P
Castillo C
Longer term, I wonder if Russell is a candidate for the two hole to pull Soler back down into more of a power slot. Fowler-Russell-Rizzo-Bryant-Soler-Castro? I like that.
Fowler CF
Soler RF
Rizzo 1B
Bryant 3B
Castro SS
Coghlan LF
Russell 2B
Wood P
Castillo C
Longer term, I wonder if Russell is a candidate for the two hole to pull Soler back down into more of a power slot. Fowler-Russell-Rizzo-Bryant-Soler-Castro? I like that.
I would put Russell in the 2 hole today, I think Maddon is the type of coach that takes away the pressure of. He makes this team play free and loose. The cubs 1-6 could really be scary. I also would not trade Castro. He is playing offense and defense out of his mind.
Fowler
Russell
Soler
Rizzo
Bryant
Castro
Coughlan
Montero
I think you are right, based on everything I have read, and I have read every "Russell to be called up" article I can find, he is projected to bat 9th. I cannot wait for today's game, that lineup is crazy. I just wonder who they will have catch today, most likely Castillo with lefty Liriano on the mound for the Bucs.
I just don't like the idea of getting Bryant less PAs, by hitting him in the 5th spot. I think he and Rizzo have to go 3-4.
While I thoroughly agree with the move, i am a little surprised they made the move so quickly. I was really hoping Baez would end up hitting well (obviously he isn't playing right now with his leave of absence) and taking over 2nd base duties then figuring out who to move to 3rd and moving Bryant to the OF. Don't know if that is still in the cards or not though. I don't think they are giving up on Baez but it will be interesting to see if they put him back at SS in AAA or possibly give him some time at 3rd. I will say though that Bryant has looked pretty decent at 3rd in his short time up.
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I don't think Baez is ever going to live up to the hype. Huge hole in his swing. Not great discipline at the plate.
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