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I'm still lurking the Cub's thread, but I absolutely still don't understand why Cub mgmt refuses to go after the big names on the market?????

They are in the only division in baseball without a dominant franchise and in a position where 90 wins wins the division 8 out of every 10 seasons.
Spend the $$$ and prove you are trying to win!
Shopping at Dollar General doesn't win titles.
 
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I'm still lurking the Cub's thread, but I absolutely still don't understand why Cub mgmt refuses to go after the big names on the market?????

They are in the only division in baseball without a dominant franchise and in a position where 90 wins wins the division 8 out of every 10 seasons.
Spend the $$$ and prove you are trying to win!
Shopping at Dollar General doesn't win titles.
Because Jed is more risk-averse than Kirk Ferentz. It’s really that simple.
 
I'm still lurking the Cub's thread, but I absolutely still don't understand why Cub mgmt refuses to go after the big names on the market?????

They are in the only division in baseball without a dominant franchise and in a position where 90 wins wins the division 8 out of every 10 seasons.
Spend the $$$ and prove you are trying to win!
Shopping at Dollar General doesn't win titles.
I’d love to know who the dominant franchise is in the AL Central. The division was won last season by a franchise that hasn’t won the World Series since 1948, and the only reason 2 other teams made the postseason was because they got to feast on the White Sox for 18 games.
 
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I’d love to know who the dominant franchise is in the AL Central. The division was won last season by a franchise that hasn’t won the World Series since 1948, and the only reason 2 other teams made the postseason was because they got to feast on the White Sox for 18 games.
The last ten years has been Cleveland (for the most part).
 
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I’d love to know who the dominant franchise is in the AL Central. The division was won last season by a franchise that hasn’t won the World Series since 1948, and the only reason 2 other teams made the postseason was because they got to feast on the White Sox for 18 games.
Cleveland doesn’t spend much, but they clearly have the best player development system, especially for pitching. I’d have to say them, with the Royals running #2 right now.
 
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Yep.
And to a degree, when they can sell out every home game, I guess there isn't much motivation to improve the team from Cub mgmt?
People toss that argument around, but I don’t buy it. It may be a reason why the Cubs don’t spend like the Yankees, Dodgers, Mets, etc., but this idea that the Cubs are super cheap and are doing it the way they want to doesn’t hold water for me. Cubs are going to spend right around the CBT, which will keep them in the top 10 for payroll and they’ve shown in the past (even after winning the ring) that they’ll go top 5 at times.

I won’t argue with anyone who says the Cubs should spend more. They should. They have a top 3 most expensive fan experience in the game, they have huge revenue streams, their own TV network, etc…..BUT ALSO they spend enough to win. They outspent everyone in their division by at least $20M and they outspent the Brewers by almost $80M last year. No way Tom insists on spending that much and also insists on spending it poorly. If you believe Tom is all about the maximizing the cash flow (and I think there’s a strong argument there), there’s no way he wants to spend north of $235M and miss the added revenue and excitement that playoffs bring.

Tom Ricketts and Crane Kenney (Pres of the business side) have both said multiple times over the last 2 years that Jed had more money to spend than he spent. Jed is just too risk averse and there’s seemingly nobody in his decision making chain pushing the aggressive position. I preferred it when Theo Epstein was running it - he was naturally aggressive and then had Jed as his #2 to rein him in a bit (sometimes not enough). You need both perspectives and the Cubs seem to be in full risk-averse mode. They don’t have a single contract on that roster that’s anywhere close to a bad contract. Certainly a team doesn’t want to load up on bad contracts (looking at you, Angels), but if you have none, you’re not pushing hard enough. Sometimes you just have to identify your guy and go get him.
 
People toss that argument around, but I don’t buy it. It may be a reason why the Cubs don’t spend like the Yankees, Dodgers, Mets, etc., but this idea that the Cubs are super cheap and are doing it the way they want to doesn’t hold water for me. Cubs are going to spend right around the CBT, which will keep them in the top 10 for payroll and they’ve shown in the past (even after winning the ring) that they’ll go top 5 at times.

I won’t argue with anyone who says the Cubs should spend more. They should. They have a top 3 most expensive fan experience in the game, they have huge revenue streams, their own TV network, etc…..BUT ALSO they spend enough to win. They outspent everyone in their division by at least $20M and they outspent the Brewers by almost $80M last year. No way Tom insists on spending that much and also insists on spending it poorly. If you believe Tom is all about the maximizing the cash flow (and I think there’s a strong argument there), there’s no way he wants to spend north of $235M and miss the added revenue and excitement that playoffs bring.

Tom Ricketts and Crane Kenney (Pres of the business side) have both said multiple times over the last 2 years that Jed had more money to spend than he spent. Jed is just too risk averse and there’s seemingly nobody in his decision making chain pushing the aggressive position. I preferred it when Theo Epstein was running it - he was naturally aggressive and then had Jed as his #2 to rein him in a bit (sometimes not enough). You need both perspectives and the Cubs seem to be in full risk-averse mode. They don’t have a single contract on that roster that’s anywhere close to a bad contract. Certainly a team doesn’t want to load up on bad contracts (looking at you, Angels), but if you have none, you’re not pushing hard enough. Sometimes you just have to identify your guy and go get him.
Basically what I'm saying is the division title is there for the taking. Chicago is the only big market and clearly the Cardinals are in a downward spiral.

Cubs aren't even in the top half of the NL.
 
Basically what I'm saying is the division title is there for the taking. Chicago is the only big market and clearly the Cardinals are in a downward spiral.

Cubs aren't even in the top half of the NL.
Not sure what you’re looking at, but the Cubs were 10th in baseball and 6th in the NL in spending (behind NYM, LAD, PHI, ATL and SF). Of course the division is there for the taking and they have to do this better. The final payroll numbers for 2024 should be finalized soon (player incentives, options and a few other variable things go into the final numbers), the Cubs said they expected to be over the CBT by a small amount. Spotrac still shows them a couple million under, but Roster Resource on Fangraphs shows them about a million over.

I’ll certainly agree that the Cubs should have been more aggressive the last two offseasons, but I can also make an argument that they’ve killed themselves in the margins on depth signings and non-tender decisions. Most glaringly were the 2023 signings of Eric Hosmer, Trey Mancini and Tucker Barnhart. None of them lasted a full season with the Cubs and the Cubs paid Mancini and Hosmer a combined $10M last year not to play baseball for them.

Teams can certainly absorb things like that, as it happens to everyone on some level, but when you’re intentionally keeping your big contracts to a minimum and trying to win on quality depth, missing on that many guys in one year and carrying that money forward hurts. That money could certainly have turned into a JD Martinez added to the roster last year or 1-2 more much-needed impact relievers to give more options in case things went south (which they did early).
 
The last ten years has been Cleveland (for the most part).
Yep.
And to a degree, when they can sell out every home game, I guess there isn't much motivation to improve the team from Cub mgmt?
Cleveland doesn’t spend much, but they clearly have the best player development system, especially for pitching. I’d have to say them, with the Royals running #2 right now.
Cool. Now Mitch needs to tell me why Cleveland is a "dominant franchise" and no why no such team exists in the NL Central. The Cubs won the most recent WS, and the Cardinals are the only team in either division with 2 titles this century. I guess I'm fuzzy on this "dominant" definition.
 
Surprised by the Cowles move; don't think he was at risk and don't know where he'll fit with the Major League team anytime soon. Might be protecting him to use as trade bait.

Alzolay and Davis not surprising. I assume they'll be re-signed to minor league contracts as they continue to rehab.

A lot more room needed on that roster. Probably 3-5 more heads to roll this week.

 
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Looks like the Cubs DFA'd Alzolay and Davis today.

Added Caissie and Cowles to the 40-man roster.

Looks like MTF beat me to it. ;)
 
Cool. Now Mitch needs to tell me why Cleveland is a "dominant franchise" and no why no such team exists in the NL Central. The Cubs won the most recent WS, and the Cardinals are the only team in either division with 2 titles this century. I guess I'm fuzzy on this "dominant" definition.
This is one of those discussions where someone can choose any time frame to make their argument.

Just for shits and giggles, let's us the last decade(10 years).
No team in the NL Central has made the post season more than Cleveland.
Dominant? No. But a fact.

It's all subjective.
 
Surprised by the Cowles move; don't think he was at risk and don't know where he'll fit with the Major League team anytime soon. Might be protecting him to use as trade bait.

Alzolay and Davis not surprising. I assume they'll be re-signed to minor league contracts as they continue to rehab.

A lot more room needed on that roster. Probably 3-5 more heads to roll this week.

Agree with all of this, though I listened to Cubs On Deck podcast this morning with the North Side Bound guys and they were largely in agreement that Cowles had probably the 2nd best chance of being added after Caissie. Basically their argument was that the Cubs traded for him knowing he was R5 eligible and then also displayed him in the AFL and that there’s a non-zero chance a bad team could stash him on a bench as a deep utility if they really liked him. Bryan Smith also commented that sometimes front offices hear “chatter” about certain guys, so there might have been one team they were concerned about taking him. Said last year there was talk that the Cubs protected Bailey Horn so that Craig Breslow wouldn’t take him (obviously we know how that worked out).
 
Keeping Cowles surprised me a little, and it probably means the M&M boys aren't long for the 40 man roster. Mastrobouni and Madrigal need to move on. Cowles fits in as infield depth on an up/down basis.
 
Keeping Cowles surprised me a little, and it probably means the M&M boys aren't long for the 40 man roster. Mastrobouni and Madrigal need to move on. Cowles fits in as infield depth on an up/down basis.
I think Cowles is 100% a direct Madrigal replacement. If you look at Jed over time, he likes that extra lefty bat, so I don’t know that Mastro gets replaced until they find another utility player who can be 3rd SS and bat lefty.
 
I think Cowles is 100% a direct Madrigal replacement. If you look at Jed over time, he likes that extra lefty bat, so I don’t know that Mastro gets replaced until they find another utility player who can be 3rd SS and bat lefty.
If Jed can’t find an upgrade to MM this winter, he should just give up and walk away.
 
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I think Cowles is 100% a direct Madrigal replacement. If you look at Jed over time, he likes that extra lefty bat, so I don’t know that Mastro gets replaced until they find another utility player who can be 3rd SS and bat lefty.
Mastrobuoni is garbage. Being left handed hitting garbage shouldn't matter this much.
 
Goodbye P-Wiz. The Cubs have added Guardians reliever Eli Morgan. He's a solid middle innings reliever. The reports I see just say A ball prospect in return. So, either the player doesn't know he's been traded, yet, or the Cubs gave a basket of player names and told the Guardians to pick one out at a later date.
We will see lots of movement until Friday on 40 man rosters.
 
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Goodbye P-Wiz. The Cubs have added Guardians reliever Eli Morgan. He's a solid middle innings reliever. The reports I see just say A ball prospect in return. So, either the player doesn't know he's been traded, yet, or the Cubs gave a basket of player names and told the Guardians to pick one out at a later date.
We will see lots of movement until Friday on 40 man rosters.
I think you’re right about the return. I think the Cubs and Guardians agreed to a group of names and the Cubs are waiting for Cleveland to pick one.

Expect more moves. I assume Madrigal will get non-tendered. There’s also a group of guys on the bench and bullpen that are out of options that will be non-tender or trade candidates:

Keegan Thompson
Caleb Kilian
Julian Merryweather
Trey Wingenter
Alexander Canario

Rob Zastryzny as well, but they just brought him in, so I doubt they did that just to non-tender him.
 
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Goodbye P-Wiz. The Cubs have added Guardians reliever Eli Morgan. He's a solid middle innings reliever. The reports I see just say A ball prospect in return. So, either the player doesn't know he's been traded, yet, or the Cubs gave a basket of player names and told the Guardians to pick one out at a later date.
We will see lots of movement until Friday on 40 man rosters.
Unfortunately the return price was fairly steep. 20 year old center fielder Alfonsin Rosario who has great athleticism and huge power potential according to Bleacher Nation. They said a top 15 prospect in the system
 
Wisdom and Wingenter are non-tenders #8 and #9. Probably not close to a record, but there will be 2 more MINIMUM. Madrigal surely has his phone on silent.
 
Unfortunately the return price was fairly steep. 20 year old center fielder Alfonsin Rosario who has great athleticism and huge power potential according to Bleacher Nation. They said a top 15 prospect in the system
MLB Pipeline has him 21st. He has solid upside, I’ve seen him anywhere from 15 to 25. Big power, but also some huge K rates for A-ball. But also important to remember that they’re trading from a position of depth. They certainly paid a price, but we won’t know on Rosario for years and hopefully Morgan helps the Cubs win games while we’re waiting.
 
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Wisdom and Wingenter are non-tenders #8 and #9. Probably not close to a record, but there will be 2 more MINIMUM. Madrigal surely has his phone on silent.
I’m thinking Madrigal for sure. After that, look at pitchers that don’t have options, but I think they’d rather hang onto guys like Kilian, Canario, Keegan Thompson longer to see if they can win a job or get included in a trade package vs. just non-tendering. Madrigal is the last one to me that screams non-tender. After that, you just DFA guys as you need the roster spots.
 
MLB Pipeline has him 21st. He has solid upside, I’ve seen him anywhere from 15 to 25. Big power, but also some huge K rates for A-ball. But also important to remember that they’re trading from a position of depth. They certainly paid a price, but we won’t know on Rosario for years and hopefully Morgan helps the Cubs win games while we’re waiting.
Definitely agree on all that, and Morgan should be good and cheap for years. I just hope Rosario doesn't end up like Zyhir Hope (sp?) who's now a top 20 prospect in all of baseball. Ferris also top 100 (also from the Busch trade), although most would have guessed that as he was the centerpiece. Busch has obviously been good and hopefully continues to improve. DJ Herz seemed to pitch pretty damn well for a rookie this year too.

Like you said position of depth for most of those although Herz would look good right about now in the rotation mix.

Looking at some of these the Cubs have certainly done pretty damn well drafting position players these last 4-5 years (minus the covid draft year which looks pretty bad in hindsight)
 
Definitely agree on all that, and Morgan should be good and cheap for years. I just hope Rosario doesn't end up like Zyhir Hope (sp?) who's now a top 20 prospect in all of baseball. Ferris also top 100 (also from the Busch trade), although most would have guessed that as he was the centerpiece. Busch has obviously been good and hopefully continues to improve. DJ Herz seemed to pitch pretty damn well for a rookie this year too.

Like you said position of depth for most of those although Herz would look good right about now in the rotation mix.

Looking at some of these the Cubs have certainly done pretty damn well drafting position players these last 4-5 years (minus the covid draft year which looks pretty bad in hindsight)
It’s always a crap shoot, but we get a MLB pitcher for at least 3 seasons, and maybe 3-4 years from now Rosario is a MLB player. It seems like a depth move by each team. Cleveland develops pitching, and clearly they like who they have coming up in their system, while the Cubs can afford to deal from what is a fairly deep system.
 
My guess, and hope, is that this is just a depth play in case they cannot add a veteran or swing a trade. Worst case waiver him in ST and he probably sticks around.
That’s what I’m thinking. Cubs grabbed like 7 of these guys last offseason starting with Brian Serven. If Jed needs the roster spot, it’s easy to walk away from Thaiss.
 
Definitely agree on all that, and Morgan should be good and cheap for years. I just hope Rosario doesn't end up like Zyhir Hope (sp?) who's now a top 20 prospect in all of baseball. Ferris also top 100 (also from the Busch trade), although most would have guessed that as he was the centerpiece. Busch has obviously been good and hopefully continues to improve. DJ Herz seemed to pitch pretty damn well for a rookie this year too.

Like you said position of depth for most of those although Herz would look good right about now in the rotation mix.

Looking at some of these the Cubs have certainly done pretty damn well drafting position players these last 4-5 years (minus the covid draft year which looks pretty bad in hindsight)
I think Rosario for Morgan was a slight overpay for the Cubs, but not massively so. Position of depth for the Cubs for sure. I’d love to still have all of those prospects in the system, but I’m fine with using them in trades. Busch was a top 100 prospect in his own right that was obviously MLB-ready. I liked both Ferris and Hope from the time they were drafted, but they’re both still a good distance from the bigs and a lot can happen. I never had a big problem with the Herz trade (other than Candelario not being great after coming back). I think he’d still be behind Wicks….if a trade is going to turn out to be a problem, it may be the Morel deal - not because of Morel, but because of Hunter Bigge and Ty Johnson. We’ll see. I’m just glad they’re being active.
 
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I think Rosario for Morgan was a slight overpay for the Cubs, but not massively so. Position of depth for the Cubs for sure. I’d love to still have all of those prospects in the system, but I’m fine with using them in trades. Busch was a top 100 prospect in his own right that was obviously MLB-ready. I liked both Ferris and Hope from the time they were drafted, but they’re both still a good distance from the bigs and a lot can happen. I never had a big problem with the Herz trade (other than Candelario not being great after coming back). I think he’d still be behind Wicks….if a trade is going to turn out to be a problem, it may be the Morel deal - not because of Morel, but because of Hunter Bigge and Ty Johnson. We’ll see. I’m just glad they’re being active.
I’m old enough to remember when people here were mad the Cubs gave up Hak-ju Lee. We will have to worry about Hope and Rosario when they make an MLB all star game. Far too much can happen along the way.
 
This is one of those discussions where someone can choose any time frame to make their argument.

Just for shits and giggles, let's us the last decade(10 years).
No team in the NL Central has made the post season more than Cleveland.
Dominant? No. But a fact.

It's all subjective.
Subjectively, I'd say you tried a little too hard on that one.
 
I think Rosario for Morgan was a slight overpay for the Cubs, but not massively so. Position of depth for the Cubs for sure. I’d love to still have all of those prospects in the system, but I’m fine with using them in trades. Busch was a top 100 prospect in his own right that was obviously MLB-ready. I liked both Ferris and Hope from the time they were drafted, but they’re both still a good distance from the bigs and a lot can happen. I never had a big problem with the Herz trade (other than Candelario not being great after coming back). I think he’d still be behind Wicks….if a trade is going to turn out to be a problem, it may be the Morel deal - not because of Morel, but because of Hunter Bigge and Ty Johnson. We’ll see. I’m just glad they’re being active.
You're being kind. This trade grades as royally sucked already.
 
I’m old enough to remember when people here were mad the Cubs gave up Hak-ju Lee. We will have to worry about Hope and Rosario when they make an MLB all star game. Far too much can happen along the way.
Exactly. Brennan Davis was a can’t-miss just a couple years ago, along with Brailyn Marquez, Adbert and Miguel Amaya. Adbert and Miguel have kind of panned out, but all eventually wound up plagued by injury. Sometimes other players shoot up the low levels and then suddenly struggle massively with AA pitching, a million things can happen. I’m fine with this kind of use of the system, especially if the Cubs continue to do well with scouting in the Latino countries and drafting and developing here.
 
You're being kind. This trade grades as royally sucked already.
For the Cubs? No, I strongly disagree. Rosario had a surprising season and showed some real pop and speed for sure, but he also struck out roughly 1/3 of the time at low A (147/456 PA). That’s a ton at that level. He has some real potential, but we’re talking several years down the road and purely within the Cubs system, he’s behind several other prospects closer to the bigs/rated more highly than he is. This was trading from depth, which is a great place to be.

Maybe Eli Morgan will come to Chicago and absolutely suck and then we can complain about the trade, but what we know about Morgan now is that he has multiple plus pitches, an elite hard contact/barrel rate, can go multiple innings and pitch in a lot of roles. He’s 28 and cost controlled for 3 years. There’s a lot to like about this deal.

Also, I think both sides feel good about this deal. I’m ok with both sides getting what they want.
 
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