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So a couple of weeks ago I got a notification from PXG announcing their new golf ball was "available" for order. Now, I assumed "available" meant the had a pick-up load of golf balls ready to ship, so I ordered me a few dozen, avoiding shipping charges. Two weeks plus later, no golf balls and no notification of order status. So I called and enquired......I was pleasant...as was the PXG rep...a civil conversation.
The gal advised me that YES my order has been processed and approved, BUT "due to high volume of orders" my order cannot be shipped for a "few more days"......I told her I was a little miffed and felt like I was lied to by the e-mail/PXG, as the e-mail told me the golf ball was "ready to ship"....The gal apologized and I got to use one of my favorite customer service lines....I told the lady to please relay to her supervisor that I could certainly not complain about PXG and their customer service, as "it doesn't exist".....
Today I received an e-mail from the customer rep, once again apologizing for the delay in my shipment....and if I wanted I could order a "PXG accessory" as a token of their appreciation for my order.......Now, hmmmm......do I want a pair of sox or a hat? (Actually I want my golf balls!)
It is frustrating dealing with these folks....not the first "delay" in shipping" I have experienced with them.....I just wish folks would deliver as promised. Isn't is better to over perform than under perform? I would think so....
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I play 70 plus rounds a year and haven’t bought a ball in the last 5 plus years.
 
To be fair to PXG, all the PXG Bros bought the crap out of those balls. The company got slammed with more orders than they can handle.

My take on the PXG ball, they've had good reviews but for that price point there are many other options. I'd play Snell or Vice or Maxfli. Now at $25 a dozen they might have me shouting Kaboom! off the tee.
The Maxfli Tour balls usually review well. Dick’s/Golf Galaxy run good sales on them.
 
Yep - gone.

Now it's a walk up, or a cart ride up.

I have always thought 12-13-14 at Finkbine was a very tough stretch.
I have a sad.

To quote Soda Pop quoting Frost, "Nothing gold can stay."

Plus, what college student can afford a cart? Guess I'm glad I got in when I did. And yes, tough, hilly stretch 12-14.
 
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I have a sad.

To quote Soda Pop quoting Frost, "Nothing gold can stay."

Plus, what college student can afford a cart? Guess I'm glad I got in when I did. And yes, tough, hilly stretch 12-14.
Nothing last forever, especially a clanky old tram that was old when I first rode it about 50 years ago.

Except for 12-14, it's a pretty easy walk.
 
I wish I was good enough to worry about the ball. I donate a lot of $1 Kirkland's.
I am so tempted to rock these,
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Csb
I play 70 plus rounds a year and haven’t bought a ball in the last 5 plus years.

Similar cool story,
My Mom ( no pics) was the President of the contractors association, and their big event every year was the association golf tournament.
One of the sponsors was the Florida Lottery, which gave thousands of stamped golf balls every year. I don't think I had to purchase a ball for 20 years ( I did for cash games)


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I am so tempted to rock these,
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I bet they're decent. I need longer clubs so didn't want to buy the wedges and have them lengthened/regripped. My putter is an odyssey whitehot that I found new at Play it Again for $50. I think it was the putter that came in the 10 piece complete Callaway set they were selling at Costco a couple years ago.
 
A customer of mine called me on Monday extending an invite to play in the Champions Tour Cologuard Classic Pro-Am next week In Tucson. Game is okay. Played yesterday ant McCormick Ranch in Scottsdale and shot 80. Off the tee I was very solid but I wasn’t pleased with my iron play. Going to hit the range this weekend to work on a few things and I hope to play well.
 
Nothing last forever, especially a clanky old tram that was old when I first rode it about 50 years ago.

Except for 12-14, it's a pretty easy walk.
Let me be nostalgic, damnit! 😉

Yeah, I thought it would be gone. No biggy, thanks for the input.
 
I play Mizuno MP53's with steel KBS 90 shafts, and Srixon ZX7 irons with graphite shafts. The Srixon irons are better in the wind or cold.
I played at Palmetto Dunes on Hilton Head a few years years ago, and the rental clubs had those Srixon irons. I LOVED them.
 
I didn’t need them at all but wanted to try them. I have a friend that is a club pro who sold me his last 6 dozen 2022 ProV1X at $38 dozen shipped so I am set for awhile.
You gotta believe that Titleist is about to come out with a new premium ball replacing the ProV and Pro V1s, dont you?
That ball has been around several years now and a lot of players are starting to play “other” premium brand balls this year. Lots of Callaway, Taylormade, Bridgestone and Srixon being used on TV now.
 
You gotta believe that Titleist is about to come out with a new premium ball replacing the ProV and Pro V1s, dont you?
That ball has been around several years now and a lot of players are starting to play “other” premium brand balls this year. Lots of Callaway, Taylormade, Bridgestone and Srixon being used on TV now.
Doubtful as it is the flagship ball and it was redesigned for 2023. The brought out the AVX in 2018 for a lower compression ball geared at the Chromesoft market.
 
Had a quick trip to Phoenix for a golf getaway recently. Played Desert Canyon, Ken McDonald and San Marcos. Shot a 86 at Ken McDonald, mid 90s at the other two courses. I have zero sand game, my home course has two bunkers that I use 1-2x a year. Probably lost 2-3 strokes each round fuking around in the sand.

New irons in the bag, TM Stealth +1” shaft and extra stiff. I had some very pretty shots with those.
 
Doubtful as it is the flagship ball and it was redesigned for 2023. The brought out the AVX in 2018 for a lower compression ball geared at the Chromesoft market.
How much “shrinkage“ of the premium ball market will they tolerate? There is a ton of competition that wasn’t there 5 years ago....and if the PXG ball has any legs to it, they will have to do something.
However, the “soft ball” is where the bulk of the golf ball market is...and the Titleist Soft is really popular with golfers. But Titleist has to be concerned regarding its premium ball market, I would think.
I find this stuff (golf trends) really interesting....especially in the dead of winter in Iowa.
 
How much “shrinkage“ of the premium ball market will they tolerate? There is a ton of competition that wasn’t there 5 years ago....and if the PXG ball has any legs to it, they will have to do something.
However, the “soft ball” is where the bulk of the golf ball market is...and the Titleist Soft is really popular with golfers. But Titleist has to be concerned regarding its premium ball market, I would think.
I find this stuff (golf trends) really interesting....especially in the dead of winter in Iowa.
I don't know - Titleist is still the preeminent golf ball on tour and has been for a couple decades. Those that don't play it generally have deals to play Callaway, Taylor Made, Srixon, etc. equipment. I see primarily Titleist wherever I play. I have played the Bridgestone ball a bit in the past, mostly because it was available in yellow and the Pro V1x wasn't at the time.

The reason I keep going back to Titleist is consistency off the tee and around the greens.
 
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How much “shrinkage“ of the premium ball market will they tolerate? There is a ton of competition that wasn’t there 5 years ago....and if the PXG ball has any legs to it, they will have to do something.
However, the “soft ball” is where the bulk of the golf ball market is...and the Titleist Soft is really popular with golfers. But Titleist has to be concerned regarding its premium ball market, I would think.
I find this stuff (golf trends) really interesting....especially in the dead of winter in Iowa.
Good questions. You take people my age that are young Gen X and older they do have brand loyalty to Titleist as they were the ball. The guys on TV played Titleist, Maxfli and a couple outliers . Younger generations have had multiple choices with their favorite pro on TV playing whatever. Now every club manufacturer had a premium ball as well as DTC balls such as Vice, Cut, Snell etc.

In short I have no idea how they counter dwindling market share except making the highest quality balls with the best quality control. In independent testing Titleist is generally number 1 in performance and quality control with Bridgestone and Srixon close behind. Callaway has had major problems in QC in the past.
 
For what percentage of golfers does the ball matter? Can’t be more than 1%



This was My Golf Spy’s first big ball test and it is worth the watch even if the video has some issues.

It gets into quality control of the companies, why soft core balls are short, why golfers need more spin and so on.
 
If you get through 14-16 in 6 putts, that's good.

12 at finkbine is a mental hole, it's tempting to try to cut off distance but just not worth the risk/reward. Pop it into the middle of the fairway at the bottom of the hill and hit your short iron up the hill to the middle of the green. That's the play. I know that and still debate it every time I play it.
 
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You gotta believe that Titleist is about to come out with a new premium ball replacing the ProV and Pro V1s, dont you?
That ball has been around several years now and a lot of players are starting to play “other” premium brand balls this year. Lots of Callaway, Taylormade, Bridgestone and Srixon being used on TV now.
Titleist is still the ball most on tour use. Just saw a video the other day about one of the pga tournaments and the #’s of each ball being used…it was like 70% prov1’s. Callaway was 2nd I believe by a pretty fair margin. But brands like srixon and bridgestone each had like 1 or 2 guys using them and taylormade was just a handful.
I don’t think ProV1’s are going anywhere, they’ve been around a lot of years, but they’ve made plenty of improvements to them, it’s not like they’re the same exact ball as when they came out.
 
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I play 70 plus rounds a year and haven’t bought a ball in the last 5 plus years.
Right there with you. Not that many rounds a yr but a fair amount. Probably 7-8 years ago i won $120 clubhouse credit in a tournament. I bought a new superstroke putter grip and a dozen prov1’s and a dozen prov1 x’s. Pretty sure i still have a couple sleeves of those floating around lol
 
Titleist also has some small run ProVs that are geared towards professionals and available through their website (left dash, left dot). Pretty sure they’re continuously tinkering with designs via tour feedback.

FYI the loyalty program is returning this year (probably in the next few weeks) buy 3 dozen and get a fourth free and usually includes custom # and imprint. Talk to your pro.
 
Callaway righted the ship on that issue when they bought their own ball manufacturing plant and now have some of the tightest quality control in the business.
They have had their own plant for years after they bought out Spaulding 20 ish years ago. Starting with the Rule 35 ball they have been producing at their own plant. The 2019-2020 Chromesofts were inconsistent at best.
 
Titleist also has some small run ProVs that are geared towards professionals and available through their website (left dash, left dot). Pretty sure they’re continuously tinkering with designs via tour feedback.

FYI the loyalty program is returning this year (probably in the next few weeks) buy 3 dozen and get a fourth free and usually includes custom # and imprint. Talk to your pro.
Yep. Already ordered and on the way.
 
Some of you guys must play some pasture-like courses with the little amount of balls you lose. The kind where you can go one fairway over and find your ball and it is playable.

My home course has water, woods, nature areas (swamp), tall grass, or OB on every single hole. You stray a few yards off the fairway and your ball is gone. Only two holes have no sand and that is only because there is no room for sand as the green is surrounded by natural areas. Don't stick the green and your ball is gone. It is a very nice course, and fun, but this course eats golf balls. The course hosts a Dakota Tour event each year and those pros can post 10 under par but for your average mid-handicapper the course is a challenge.

So yeah, I don't buy $55 ProV1s as I donate 1-3 balls per round. Playing 4-5 days a week that adds up.
 
They have had their own plant for years after they bought out Spaulding 20 ish years ago. Starting with the Rule 35 ball they have been producing at their own plant. The 2019-2020 Chromesofts were inconsistent at best.
All true. From what I understand they have corrected the issues and now have some of the strictest standards to ensure consistency.

FYI - I don't play Callaway balls, unless I find one on course. So not trying to honk for them.
 
All true. From what I understand they have corrected the issues and now have some of the strictest standards to ensure consistency.

FYI - I don't play Callaway balls, unless I find one on course. So not trying to honk for them.
They got put on blast after that My Golf Spy test showed how inconsistent they were. Club geeks took notice but to the average golfer they had no idea at the issues in the core they were having.

The Rule 35 is what put pressure on Titleist to speed up the Prov1. Precept always had a multi layer ball as well as the Top Flite Strata. Titleist staff players who were using the Professional were tinkering around with the 35 realized how good it was.

I started playing the Strata a year before the Rule 35 and that was a game changer back then vs a wound ball.
 
Some of you guys must play some pasture-like courses with the little amount of balls you lose. The kind where you can go one fairway over and find your ball and it is playable.

My home course has water, woods, nature areas (swamp), tall grass, or OB on every single hole. You stray a few yards off the fairway and your ball is gone. Only two holes have no sand and that is only because there is no room for sand as the green is surrounded by natural areas. Don't stick the green and your ball is gone. It is a very nice course, and fun, but this course eats golf balls. The course hosts a Dakota Tour event each year and those pros can post 10 under par but for your average mid-handicapper the course is a challenge.

So yeah, I don't buy $55 ProV1s as I donate 1-3 balls per round. Playing 4-5 days a week that adds up.
Nope. Just don't hit your ball out of bounds or in the water. ;)
 
I have the same exact sleeve of 3 prov1s in my bag I keep only for putting. Figure there should be no scuffs on them and in turn maybe roll a little bit cleaner.

Got a 2nd hand golf ball shop nearby.. they ship balls all over the world but also have a walk in area. They grade the balls. So I will, periodically, go sift through their pearl (top rated) prov1s and pick out all the most recent model by they subtle changes in markings. End up with basically brand new Prov1s for a third of the cost.
 
I have the same exact sleeve of 3 prov1s in my bag I keep only for putting. Figure there should be no scuffs on them and in turn maybe roll a little bit cleaner.

Got a 2nd hand golf ball shop nearby.. they ship balls all over the world but also have a walk in area. They grade the balls. So I will, periodically, go sift through their pearl (top rated) prov1s and pick out all the most recent model by they subtle changes in markings. End up with basically brand new Prov1s for a third of the cost.
Recycled balls are a descent deal, especially in your case as you can see them and pick and choose.

Never get refinished balls as you have no idea the shape they were in or if it the actual ball it is stamped with.
 
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Some of you guys must play some pasture-like courses with the little amount of balls you lose. The kind where you can go one fairway over and find your ball and it is playable.

My home course has water, woods, nature areas (swamp), tall grass, or OB on every single hole. You stray a few yards off the fairway and your ball is gone. Only two holes have no sand and that is only because there is no room for sand as the green is surrounded by natural areas. Don't stick the green and your ball is gone. It is a very nice course, and fun, but this course eats golf balls. The course hosts a Dakota Tour event each year and those pros can post 10 under par but for your average mid-handicapper the course is a challenge.

So yeah, I don't buy $55 ProV1s as I donate 1-3 balls per round. Playing 4-5 days a week that adds up.
If it’s that easy to lose balls, it should be SUPER easy to find balls! If i was a member at a course like that, id never buy a ball again!
 
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