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**** Official Israel War thread****

It’s clear to me that Biden botched this and is way over his head. It started with Jimmy Carter sending billions over to Iran in oil bribes and they get exposed for the bitch’s they are.
 
They need to make that kind of missile.
What you want is one of these, the 15,000-pound BLU-82

A Daisy Cutter sort of looks like a giant soda can. Its warhead contains 12,600 pounds of explosive filler called DBA-22M. The warheads are optimized for land clearance. Upon detonation, they release shockwaves that are powerful enough to obliterate trees as tall as 150 feet.

The Daisy Cutter dropped over Laos floated earthward for approximately 20 seconds until detonating just feet above the ground (as it was designed to do, in order to avoid creating a crater). In a flash, all of the vegetation within a 260-foot diameter of the explosion vanished, leaving a gaping hole in the jungle that was big enough for the troop transport helicopter tailing the C-130 to safely touch down and deposit its human cargo. It was the first time a Daisy Cutter was ever successfully used in a combat operation.

Over the next two years, the Air Force used more than 100 Daisy Cutters to create jungle landing zones throughout Southeast Asia. On several occasions, American and South Vietnamese aircrews even used the bombs as anti-personnel weapons. In 1975, for example, approximately 250 North Vietnamese soldiers were killed by a Daisy Cutter that struck their position as they were marching toward Saigon.

 
Funny you mention that, but I became a good friend of a girl in a political science class at FSU. She had a funny name and I would occasionally tease her, making up nicknames and rhymes (she did the same to me as well). Over drinks one night I asked her about it and she said it was Persian. Being a history and map nerd I put the math together. Her parents and her barely escaped when she was a 4 yr old little girl, with most of her family not making it. She showed me pictures of Tehran that her parents took of them in the late 70s and it resembled any city in the free world at that time, complete with bell bottom jeans, malboros, Jackson 5 albums and smiles.
Yes, like in many colonized countries with leaders hand-selected by the CIA, elites and wealthy folks lived fantastically.

Unfortunately, those situations are typically also very corrupt and the “poors” are kept tightly under control through oppression - which was the case under the Shah.

Religious zealots took advantage of that fact and created a revolution under the banner of Allah. Unfortunately for everyone, they proved to also be corrupt, violent and dictatorial.

It’s not like the Iranian people were living in some golden age in the 1970s - happy, prosperous people do not revolt.
 
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Yes, like in many colonized countries with leaders hand-selected by the CIA, elites and wealthy folks lived fantastically.

Unfortunately, those situations are typically also very corrupt and the “poors” are kept tightly under control through oppression - which was the case under the Shah.

Religious zealots took advantage of that fact and created a revolution under the banner of Allah. Unfortunately for everyone, they proved to also be corrupt and dictatorial.

It’s not like the Iranian people were living in some golden age in the 1970s - happy, prosperous people do not revolt.
True and she was aware of that. I would love to show her picture or hear from her.
 
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It’s clear to me that Biden botched this and is way over his head. It started with Jimmy Carter sending billions over to Iran in oil bribes and they get exposed for the bitch’s they are.
Not sure if sarcasm or stupidity . . . 🤔
 
Not sure if sarcasm or stupidity . . . 🤔
Glasses Why Dont We Have Both GIF by nounish ⌐◨-◨
 
The attack was planned via face-to-meetings and messengers. There is no evidence, at this point. No evidence of Iran's involvement means nothing.

I'd be shocked if Iran was not involved with planning and funding.

It's a great talking point to try to contain the war, but I doubt it's true.

"Maj. Nir Dinar, a spokesperson for the Israel Defense Forces, told POLITICO on Monday. “We are 100 percent sure that the Iranians were not surprised.”
“Just because you don’t have that evidence doesn’t necessarily mean Iran isn’t behind it,” he added.
Politico
" Israel’s ambassador-designate to Canada says he believes Iran was involved in the weekend’s deadly Hamas rampage on Israel."
“It's clear that there is direct involvement in what is happening right now,” Iddo Moed told POLITICO on Tuesday."
Politico
Define Iran. It’s very possible elements of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards, or some clerics were involved and the rest of leadership was not.
There needs to be clarity before we lob in some cruise missiles. Iran isn’t as well run as you think.
 
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Yes, like in many colonized countries with leaders hand-selected by the CIA, elites and wealthy folks lived fantastically.

Unfortunately, those situations are typically also very corrupt and the “poors” are kept tightly under control through oppression - which was the case under the Shah.

Religious zealots took advantage of that fact and created a revolution under the banner of Allah. Unfortunately for everyone, they proved to also be corrupt, violent and dictatorial.

It’s not like the Iranian people were living in some golden age in the 1970s - happy, prosperous people do not revolt.
Our realtor in Tallahassee was a gorgeous older woman with a curious accent. Turns out her dad was one of the Shah's generals. She came to the States when she was 17.
 
Personally, I think most hostage rescues are a pipe dream. But even in situations where they are not, it takes time to gather the intelligence necessary to make them not a pipe dream from an operational perspective, and I suspect that a latent aversion to certain potential historical parallels would make the passage of such time an unacceptable option for the administration. '
Given Israel’s intelligence failures I fear that they couldn’t pull off a rescue mission effectively. Certainly some of the hostages are being held together, but even if 10-12 are at each location Israel could not pull off that many simultaneous rescues. They are clearly lacking in human intel.
 
Given Israel’s intelligence failures I fear that they couldn’t pull off a rescue mission effectively. Certainly some of the hostages are being held together, but even if 10-12 are at each location Israel could not pull off that many simultaneous rescues. They are clearly lacking in human intel.
Hold your own breath.
 
Yes, like in many colonized countries with leaders hand-selected by the CIA, elites and wealthy folks lived fantastically.

Unfortunately, those situations are typically also very corrupt and the “poors” are kept tightly under control through oppression - which was the case under the Shah.

Religious zealots took advantage of that fact and created a revolution under the banner of Allah. Unfortunately for everyone, they proved to also be corrupt, violent and dictatorial.

It’s not like the Iranian people were living in some golden age in the 1970s - happy, prosperous people do not revolt.
The shah's secret police would make the Ayatollah and Saddam blush. They were ruthless.
 
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SIAP-A Brazilian family who had just moved to Israel had a child murdered at that music festival. Because they did not know anyone and needed at least 10 people to make an official Jewish funeral they announced it on Facebook. Thousands of people showed up.
 
The most disappointing part whenever the Middle East flares up is that everybody tries to out-academia eachother about nobody truly understanding the history of it when the only thing anybody should be concerned with is some Persian T&A
 
The attack was planned via face-to-meetings and messengers. There is no evidence, at this point. No evidence of Iran's involvement means nothing.

I'd be shocked if Iran was not involved with planning and funding.

It's a great talking point to try to contain the war, but I doubt it's true.

"Maj. Nir Dinar, a spokesperson for the Israel Defense Forces, told POLITICO on Monday. “We are 100 percent sure that the Iranians were not surprised.”
“Just because you don’t have that evidence doesn’t necessarily mean Iran isn’t behind it,” he added.
Politico
" Israel’s ambassador-designate to Canada says he believes Iran was involved in the weekend’s deadly Hamas rampage on Israel."
“It's clear that there is direct involvement in what is happening right now,” Iddo Moed told POLITICO on Tuesday."
Politico
Yeah sure, everyone jumped to that conclusion, but it looks like it was wrong. Shiite Iran doesn't "face to face" Sunni Hamas in Gaza. And that's irrelevant as far as what spies in Iran are telling us, anyway.

The only direct evidence of outside coordination is with Russia. Within hours of the attack Russia declared "western weapons destined for Ukraine were used in the attack!" and one of Hamas' first statements was "we used weapons from Ukraine!" - clearly weapons Russia captured on the battlefield and shipped off to Gaza.

Russia still has not condemned the attack, and instead criticized Israel. Let me repeat: Russia has not condemned the attack, or criticisized their clients Hamas. Russia has been supporting Arab terrorists for 70 years. Of course, I don't expect Russia knew about the head-chopping babies bit, but as seasoned maternity-ward targeters and experienced baby-thieves themselves, I'm sure they've been enjoying seeing the results of their labors.
 
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Why? Israel and the Uk agree that Iran was not involved or even aware.

Look, Hamas is NOT Hezbollah, who are, in fact, totally controlled and run by Iran up in Lebanon. Iran backs Hamas in the same way other Muslim countries do - some aid, some weapon - but there is no joint planning or taking orders there. Hamas is Sunni, Iran and Hezbollah are Shiite, and if it wasn't for Israel, they'd be back to killing each other full time.

So unless Israel or the US change their minds and say otherwise, we can back off starting a war with Iran over this, as much as they deserve it over a hundred different reasons.
Which is why we need to get rid of gas. When we get rid of oil, their economy won't be funded. Will require no more intervention in the Mid East other than protecting Israel and may be that would come into question. Just get out of the Mid East and they will destroy each other.
 
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The most disappointing part whenever the Middle East flares up is that everybody tries to out-academia eachother about nobody truly understanding the history of it when the only thing anybody should be concerned with is some Persian T&A
Disappointing? I think you mean entertaining.
 
Karinne Jean Pierre condemned as repugnant the House members unable to condemn Hamas. She did not name them, but her comments were clearly directed at Rashida Tlaib and Cory Bush.
Nice to see the bully pulpit force of the WH in action.
 
Karinne Jean Pierre condemned as repugnant the House members unable to condemn Hamas. She did not name them, but her comments were clearly directed at Rashida Tlaib and Cory Bush.
Nice to see the bully pulpit force of the WH in action.
Agreed lucas. Biden and his administration have done a nice job with this so far. Have to give credit when credit is due.
 
The shah's secret police would make the Ayatollah and Saddam blush. They were ruthless.
Since the Shah went down to internal revolt, and Saddam and the mullahs have crushed internal dissent every time it crops up, I think that is objectively false.

I remember a documentary on CNN in the late 90s about Saddam's reign. There was protests in a city, people filling the streets. The interviewee relayed how several plain sedans pulled up to the edge of the demonstration. Men stepped out with AKs and just started gunning down the crowd.
There were no protests in the street the next day.

I'm not sure Saddam took a backseat to Stalin in ruthlessness.
 
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Going after the people responsible and those who directly support them?

I do agree. Unfortunately those responsible hide behind places good people are not supposed to attack.

So the decision is let them live to kill again or take them out knowing that their will be atrocities in taking them out.

Take the angle that will not give you bad publicity....you just sentenced more of your civilians to die.
 
It’s not like the Iranian people were living in some golden age in the 1970s - happy, prosperous people do not revolt.

I do think that as a whole the population was probably living happier lives then. Doesn't take a much extra thought to realize that a few can win a revolution...it happened here.
 
Which is why we need to get rid of gas. When we get rid of oil, their economy won't be funded. Will will require no more intervention in the Mid East other than protecting Israel and may be that would come into question. Just get out of the Mid East and they will destroy each other.
Ummmm….we don’t need theirs…
 
Karinne Jean Pierre condemned as repugnant the House members unable to condemn Hamas. She did not name them, but her comments were clearly directed at Rashida Tlaib and Cory Bush.
Nice to see the bully pulpit force of the WH in action.
And the squad is growing with each and every election. How long do we accept this?
 
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