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**** Official Israel War thread****

Expound, I’m unclear what you mean.
Just making a joke. But I meant voluntarily putting yourself in a position where you can get attacked, only to claim self defense to justify your response.

I am surprised at how many assets and people we still have scattered all over that region. Have to admit I was ignorant sbout that.
 
Yeah I’m not saying i agree with him. Simply that the perspective expressed was interesting. Didn’t know any arab felt that way and kind of explains why the Saudis were ready to make peace with the Israelis.

Iran doesn’t want peace, they just only want genocide of jews and complete destruction of the Israeli state. They are absolutists and theocratic extremists. They own/control Hezbollah and Hamas. Iran is the big picture belligerent in that region and it is guided by divine righteousness. Not stopping anytime soon.
So maybe a treaty with Iran and releases billions of dollars to them were bad ideas?
 

Before and after satellite images show destruction in Gaza​

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/25/middleeast/satellite-images-gaza-destruction/index.html

Some satellite photos with the slider so you can see the before and after. Usually see this with hurricane or tsunami events.

Parts of Gaza looks like they are getting the Dresden treatment.

If Israelis did it from one end to the other, I wonder if it’d stamp the fight out of the Gazans, the way it did the Native Americans.
 

Before and after satellite images show destruction in Gaza​

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/25/middleeast/satellite-images-gaza-destruction/index.html

Some satellite photos with the slider so you can see the before and after. Usually see this with hurricane or tsunami events.

Parts of Gaza looks like they are getting the Dresden treatment.

If Israelis did it from one end to the other, I wonder if it’d stamp the fight out of the Gazans, the way it did the Native Americans.
I simply don’t understand the game plan.
Israel can’t exact retribution, then leave. They still have to live next to them. Seems you’re just ensuring a generation of new terrorists.
Difficult questions.
 
I simply don’t understand the game plan.
Israel can’t exact retribution, then leave. They still have to live next to them. Seems you’re just ensuring a generation of new terrorists.
Difficult questions.
I dont think they're planning on leaving this time.
 
Just making a joke. But I meant voluntarily putting yourself in a position where you can get attacked, only to claim self defense to justify your response.

By deliberately going to protest/riot, do you forfeit self defense if attacked? I would think if it was a declared ‘public disturbance’ or whatever they announce when legally dispersing a crowd, you’d lose the lawful right to be there. I always saw the Stand Your Ground invoked in a right to self defense only where you had a legal right to be. e.g. A burglar couldn’t ’stand his ground’ against a homeowner.
Didn’t watch his case, so I don’t know if that was a factor.

I thought you might be going somewhere different.
Iran and Russia are operating in Syria at the request of the Syrian government, which has been welcomed back into the Arab League last May.
Russia and Iran could make the ‘Rittenhouse’ claim to self defense, and Syria just happens to be outside of the umbrella of NATO’s protection. No NATO nation is obligated to help us if we’re attacked in our bases in the Middle East that we established after the Treaty was entered into force.

Weird situation. When Elon says we’re slow walking into WW3 it couldn’t be more true, and that’s before throwing China/Taiwan into the mix.

I am surprised at how many assets and people we still have scattered all over that region. Have to admit I was ignorant sbout that.
I don’t blame you. There’s no drumbeat about it in the media. We just get occasional articles when they get attacked.

Link
March 25, 2023

President Joe Biden emphasized Friday afternoon that the US will “forcefully protect our people,” a day after approving retaliatory airstrikes in response to a drone attack by an Iranian-backed group in Syria that left one American dead and more injured.

But it seemed the president’s actions, and warnings from US officials, had not deterred the attacks, as shortly before he spoke, another American service member was injured in a separate strike in Syria
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So maybe a treaty with Iran and releases billions of dollars to them were bad ideas?

My general understanding was this deal was done to delay/prevent Iranian uranium enrichment and or nuclear bomb / missile development.

They were seeking to deter a nuclear armed Iran.

Is this not a worthy aim?

I understand disagreeing with their method of persuasion, but do you understand the why?

How would you personally suggest the USA go about preventing Iran from becoming nuclear armed? What would your diplomatic efforts look like? And remember now, the Iranians hate our guts. They hold yearly parades chanting “Death to America.”
 
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Israel are occupying Palestinian land. Stop calling it the Israeli's homeland. That is factually incorrect.

You never answered my question.

I don't condone killing innocent civilians ever, but one country has rocks and the other country is basically a multi billion dollar military facility. To act like they are on equal footing is asinine.

I also have never claimed all Palestinians are good, but I do know that Israel doesn't discriminate with who they are bombing. They are a trash country.
"Rocks" lol you're a fuxking clown. Did they kill 1500 people 3 weeks ago with rocks?
 
My general understanding was this deal was done to delay/prevent Iranian uranium enrichment and or nuclear bomb / missile development.

They were seeking to deter a nuclear armed Iran.

Is this not a worthy aim?

I understand disagreeing with their method of persuasion, but do you understand the why?

How would you personally suggest the USA go about preventing Iran from becoming nuclear armed? What would your diplomatic efforts look like? And remember now, the Iranians hate our guts. They hold yearly parades chanting “Death to America.”
Do you think that treaty deterred them even one bit? Nope. It just allowed them to fund Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthi’s through their increased oil revenues. We will still need to deal with a nuclear Iran , it’s just a matter of when.
 
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I personally believe based on how many assets we have moved and then hearing some bipartisan rhetoric from Congress that the war drums are starting to warm up.

Iran seems to be itching for a fight.
 
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The area of destruction seems pretty significant but localized. Almost like they were targeting a certain area. Weird.
 
Hamas won election in 2006 with 44% of the vote. They did not achieve majority in a single district. They have not held subsequent elections. Hamas is not a legitimate democratically elected government body.
Yeah. A whopping 34% of Palestinians support Hamas and I'm sure that number is even lower after the Israel attacks. Government and civilians are not the same.

Then it would appear Israel us doing Palestine and Gaza a favor. I guess they are United after all.
 
How do people honestly think a ceasefire could work? Would we just let Mexico go back BAU if they were behind 9/11 and shared a border with us?

I just don’t get the aggressiveness and vitriol towards Israel in this situation. Literally trying to keep themselves as a country when all these groups are finally taking action behind their words to wipe them of Earth. I do feel bad for the Palestinian people but they have given them plenty of time and warning to head to safe areas south.
 
Hamas won election in 2006 with 44% of the vote. They did not achieve majority in a single district. They have not held subsequent elections. Hamas is not a legitimate democratically elected government body.

Correct, they are a group of genocidal maniacs that would make Nazi SS troops blush. They are a scourge on humanity.
 
Anyone else notice that a large part of this crowd seems to be a young adult male right at fighting age?

Gaza has about population of 2 million with about 50% being 18 or younger. They have or had the highest birth rate in the world for a period of time. They treat their women as breeders.

One method of islamist jihad is through migration and population dominance. This is precisely their strategy in Gaza.
 
Gaza has about population of 2 million with about 50% being 18 or younger. They have or had the highest birth rate in the world for a period of time. They treat their women as breeders.

One method of islamist jihad is through migration and population dominance. This is precisely their strategy in Gaza.
It is also their plan for Europe. I have seen the interviews where they flat out admit it.
 
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