Ohio State vs Penn State? Who ya got?

[Wrestlerneverdiesasacatfan]

25) OSU by major
33) OSU decision
41) OSU by a point, close match with the other Lee
49) PSU by major
57) PSU by decision.
65) PSU by decision
74) PSU by decision
84) Bout of the meet goes to OSU
97) OSU by decision, close one also
Hwt) Snyder by decision.

Match is on February 3rd. Who knows

 

[JohnBasedow]

125- 5-0 Ohio st
133- 8-0 Ohio st
141- 8-3 Ohio st
149- 9-8 PSU
157- 13-8 PSU
165- 16-8 PSU
174- 16-11 PSU
184- 19-11 PSU
197- 19-14 PSU
285- 19-18 PSU wins

141 swing match.

This but 184 and 174 could be swing matches too. Also wouldn’t be surprised to see Nolf with bonus points.

 

[YoungGun07]

I think Nolf and Snyder will both score bonus.

 

[pablow]

125- 5-0 Ohio st
133- 9-0 Ohio st
141- 12-0 Ohio st
149- 12-6 PSU
157- 12-11 PSU
165- 12-16 PSU
174- 12-19 PSU
184- 12-22 PSU
197- 12-25 PSU
285- 17-25 PSU wins

141, 184, & 197 - PSU wins 2 of these swing matches. Hell PSU could win all three.

 

[Dont_Just_Dream]

125- Spencer Lee, SL 3-0
133- Spencer Lee, SL 6-0
141- Spencer Lee, SL 9-0
149- Spencer Lee, SL 12-0
157- Spencer Lee, SL 15-0
165- Spencer Lee, SL 18-(-2) ... team point deducted from PSU and OSU
174- Spencer Lee, SL 21-(-2)
184- Spencer Lee, SL 24-(-2)
197- Spencer Lee, SL 27-(-2)
285- Kyle Snyder, SL 27-1

 

[johnbeerpong]

I ran the Iowa vs. Ohio State dual comparison yesterday on wrestlestat. I switched out NATO with Kyle Snyder at 125 against Lee, and it only has Snyder favored by 5 with an 11-6 projected score in a match up with Spencer.

 

[edquinn06]

NATO TF 5-0
Pletcher dec 8-0
McKenna dec 11-0 (Lee could win here)
Zain TF 11-5
Nolf TF 11-10
Cenzo dec 11-13
Hall dec 11-16 (Jordan could win here)
Nickel dec 11-19 (Martin could win here)
Moore dec 14-19
Synder MD 18-19 PSU

Bonus on either side will probably decide this match.

 

[pablow]

NATO TF 5-0
Pletcher dec 8-0
McKenna dec 11-0 (Lee could win here)
Zain TF 11-5
Nolf TF 11-10
Cenzo dec 11-13
Hall dec 11-16 (Jordan could win here)
Nickel dec 11-19 (Martin could win here)
Moore dec 14-19
Synder MD 18-19 PSU

Bonus on either side will probably decide this match.

These are solid picks. But Joseph has made a believer out of me - I think he gets at least a major. The Hall/Jordan match will be the most tedious in NCAA history.

 

[edquinn06]

These are solid picks. But Joseph has made a believer out of me - I think he gets at least a major. The Hall/Jordan match will be the most tedious in NCAA history.

I just think Campbell will be out there to stay away from bonus. Could easily be a MD

 

[pablow]

I just think Campbell will be out there to stay away from bonus. Could easily be a MD

Yes - I see fOSU doing a lot of that. Should be a f** match to watch.

 

[so cal hawkfan]

125- Nato TF 5-0 tOSU
133- Pletcher dec 8-0 tOSU
141- Lee dec. 8-3 tOSU
149- Zain m dec 8-7 tOSU
157- Nolf m dec 11-8 PSU
165- Joseph dec 14-8 PSU
174- Jordan dec 14-11 PSU
184- Nickel dec 17-11 PSU
197- Moore dec. 17-14 PSU
Hwt- Snyder m dec 18-17 tOSU

 

[dhm47]

25) OSU by major
33) OSU decision
41) OSU by a point, close match with the other Lee
49) PSU by major
57) PSU by decision.
65) PSU by decision
74) PSU by decision
84) Bout of the meet goes to OSU
97) OSU by decision, close one also
Hwt) Snyder by decision.

Match is on February 3rd. Who knows

Still not a believer in an undersized Bo against not quite full tank Myles?

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

Ohio State

 

[ZepGraffiti]

Generally speculating:

I think regular decs will be the minority in this dual.

Nato, Zain, Nolf, Joseph & Snyder: Maybe 2 tf's, plus 1 fall & 2 maj's?

My 'wildcard' is I think someone is getting decked at either 184 or 197, with the other being a reg dec. I don't know which of the 4 it'll be or from which team, just a gut feel at this point. These are 2 of the 3 swing matches [along w/141].

For PSU to win they better be up by at least 6pts going into 285# [dual starts @125?] because Snyder can/will get a tech if they need it [but I don't think he can deck NN].

 

[MSU158]

125:NaTo TF tOSU 5-0
133letcher dec. tOSU 8-0
141:McKenna dec. tOSU 11-0
149:Retherford TF. tOSU 11-5
157:Nolf MD tOSU 11-9
165:Joseph dec. PSU 12-11
174:Hall dec. PSU 15-11 PSU
184:Nickal dec. 18-11 PSU
197: Moore dec. 18-14 PSU
285:Snyder TF 19-18 tOSU

I just don't see PSU winning this dual. 141 is the only other weight I think they could win and that would basically give them every toss up. NaTo could get a FALL and so could Retherford, but I don't see any real bonus changes other than someone getting caught for the FALL.

On the flipside, tOSU could also win at 174 and 184.

 

[minnhawkeye]

125..Ohio state fall 6-0
133,,,,Ohio State major 10-0
141 Penn State dec .. 10-3
149. Penn State fall.......10-9
157.....Penn State...tf........10-14
165.....Penn State dec.. 10-17
174... Penn State....dec 10-20
184.....Penn State.....dec 10-23
197......Ohio State......dec.. 13-23 (If Rasheed goes could be fall for Penn State that cradle is like Ruths)
285.....Ohio State.....Major ......17-23..
Have to face reality Penn State has the studs and under the lights will perform.

 

[pablow]

Ryan's going to have 141 through 184 ready to go -

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

125:NaTo TF tOSU 5-0
133letcher dec. tOSU 8-0
141:McKenna dec. tOSU 11-0
149:Retherford TF. tOSU 11-5
157:Nolf MD tOSU 11-9
165:Joseph dec. PSU 12-11
174:Hall dec. PSU 15-11 PSU
184:Nickal dec. 18-11 PSU
197: Moore dec. 18-14 PSU
285:Snyder TF 19-18 tOSU

I just don't see PSU winning this dual. 141 is the only other weight I think they could win and that would basically give them every toss up. NaTo could get a FALL and so could Retherford, but I don't see any real bonus changes other than someone getting caught for the FALL.

On the flipside, tOSU could also win at 174 and 184.

I’m starting to believe depending on who PSU goes with they can win at 197

 

[Tcalumet]

125- Nato TF 5-0 tOSU
133- Pletcher dec 8-0 tOSU
141- McKenna dec. 11-0 tOSU
149- Zain tech 11-5 tOSU(maybe pin)
157- Nolf major 11-9 tOSU(Michigan wrote this playbook already)
165- Joseph dec 11-13 PSU
174- Hall dec 11-16 PSU(Jordan could win this)
184- Martin dec 14-16 PSU(Martin has his number)
197- Moore dec. 17-16 tOSU
Hwt- Snyder m dec 21-16 tOSU(could be tech)

 

[Tcalumet]

Generally speculating:

I think regular decs will be the minority in this dual.

Nato, Zain, Nolf, Joseph & Snyder: Maybe 2 tf's, plus 1 fall & 2 maj's?

My 'wildcard' is I think someone is getting decked at either 184 or 197, with the other being a reg dec. I don't know which of the 4 it'll be or from which team, just a gut feel at this point. These are 2 of the 3 swing matches [along w/141].

For PSU to win they better be up by at least 6pts going into 285# [dual starts @125?] because Snyder can/will get a tech if they need it [but I don't think he can deck NN].

Snyder will destroy nevilles

 

[Pennstate1985]

Ohio State

"fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life son"

 

[Czech Hawk]

125 - NATO by fall 6-0 he needs to know the situation for the team and go for the pin
133 - Pletcher by major 10-0 Keener hasnt impressed
141 - McKenna by dec - 13-0 not counting Lee out
149 - Train by tf - 13-5 can Jordan avoid the pin on bottom, the pts are coming
157 - Nolf tf - 13-10, there is not a playbook for Nolf. Dont see it happening, he will turn
165 - Joseph dec - 13-13, could be more
174 - Jordan dec - 16-13, toss up and he could gas, I think he takes this one
184 - Martin dec - 19-13, probably the biggest toss up. Martin is bigger this year, but is he due to get stuck by Bo?
197 - Moore dec - 22-13, could see him loose here too.
HWT - Snyder tf - 27-13, he is the best

Only ones I don't think are a coin flip are 125, 133, 149, 157, and HWT. The score could easily end 27 -15 PSU.

 

[Grip220]

Nato with TF 5-0
Pletcher with major 9-0
Lee wins with last minute take down 9-3
Zain with pin 9-9
Nolf with a major 9-12
Joseph wins 9-15
Bojo with big win 12-15
Martin with big win 15-15
Rasheed should get the start and looks dangerous but Moore wins 18-15
Snyderbeast with TF 24-15 Ohio st
With a couple upsets and wins

 

[Coach Mac B]

I think regular decs will be the minority in this dual.

It's amazing that we are talking about two top tier dual teams ....even on a historical level....and this could still be true.

 

[WDuck5217]

125: Pin tOSU 6-0
133: Dec tOSU 9-0
141: Dec tOSU 12-0
149: Tech PSU 12-5
157: Major PSU 12-9
165: Major PSU 12-13
174: Dec PSU 12-16
184: Dec PSU 12-19
197: Dec tOSU 15-19
285: Major tOSU 19-19
Match will come down to criteria... With Penn State winning.
I intitally had Jordan beating Hall at 174 and I still kind of think he will. But, I want the dual to be as close as possible so I went with Hall.

 

[Nahf]

It's amazing that we are talking about two top tier dual teams ....even on a historical level....and this could still be true.

I was thinking the same thing. I'd actually be surprised if there were only a couple bonus point matches. Also, I think Lee pulls out the victory over McKenna. He's been fun to watch in the few matches he's wrestled.

 

[1stplacehawk]

I’m starting to believe depending on who PSU goes with they can win at 197

I think it could happen, because I don't think Moore is the juggernaut some perceive him to be. That being said, who has Rasheed really beat? I need to see a lot more before I would make that pick.

 

[Inspiteofourselves]

125: Tomato TF 5-0 OSU
133: Pletcher MD 9-0 OSU
141 Mckenna dec 12-0 OSU
149 Zain Fall 12-6 OSU
157 Nolf MD 12-10 OSU
165 Joseph dec 12-13 PSU
174 Hall dec 12-16 PSU
184 Nickal dec 12-19 PSU
197 Moore dec 15-19 PSU
HWT Snyder MD 19-19

PSU wins on criteria bc of Zains fall

 

[Grip220]

It's amazing that we are talking about two top tier dual teams ....even on a historical level....and this could still be true.

Umm not really

 

[MSU158]

Iowa has set some really high standards, so I get why many of you aren't that impressed. However, the point of this isn't so much how good 1 of the teams are, it is more about how good BOTH are. Both have 8 guys ranked in the top 8 and each have 5 that are legit Finalist contenders. Hell, I would argue that tOSU actually has 6(125,174,184,197 and 285).

Now, I know there are a few Iowa teams that could contend, but you are going off of NCAA results that have already happened to compare. A more fair comparison would be to compare where those Iowa teams were at this point in the season.

 

[Grip220]

Hell, I would argue that tOSU actually has 6(125,174,184,197 and 285).

Thats 5 and although you have some good points wrestling did not start this decade. They are two good teams and Iowa is (on a down year) two wrestlers away from kicking there arse one that got kicked out for stealing and one that could be on the team soon.

 

[Neo_Hawk]

Iowa has set some really high standards, so I get why many of you aren't that impressed. However, the point of this isn't so much how good 1 of the teams are, it is more about how good BOTH are. Both have 8 guys ranked in the top 8 and each have 5 that are legit Finalist contenders. Hell, I would argue that tOSU actually has 6(125,174,184,197 and 285).

Now, I know there are a few Iowa teams that could contend, but you are going off of NCAA results that have already happened to compare. A more fair comparison would be to compare where those Iowa teams were at this point in the season.

I only comment because this post seems so out of place on this thread.

A more fair comparison would be to compare where those Iowa teams were at this point in the season. How would you do that exactly? Why would you do that? AND, What would that accomplish?

On it's own thread this might get some good discussion, but you would never build consensus. What week from each season do you take the rankings? What teams do you use and from what years?

I like the philosophic process, but this seems like an MSU, bang your head against the wall arguing topic designed to rile the masses for no good reason. Were you a philosophy major by chance? Smoke a little of the good stuff do you?

 

[MSU158]

Thats 5 and although you have some good points wrestling did not start this decade. They are two good teams and Iowa is (on a down year) two wrestlers away from kicking there arse one that got kicked out for stealing and one that could be on the team soon.

I am sorry. I meant to include 133. Now that they have pulled Lee's shirt, they are NOT on a down year. In fact, I would argue that Iowa will outscore most, if not all, of their NCAA point totals since their last championship in 2010.

 

[MSU158]

I only comment because this post seems so out of place on this thread.

A more fair comparison would be to compare where those Iowa teams were at this point in the season. How would you do that exactly? Why would you do that? AND, What would that accomplish?

On it's own thread this might get some good discussion, but you would never build consensus. What week from each season do you take the rankings? What teams do you use and from what years?

I like the philosophic process, but this seems like an MSU, bang your head against the wall arguing topic designed to rile the masses for no good reason. Were you a philosophy major by chance? Smoke a little of the good stuff do you?

Because, you are comparing a team that has already had their peak performance in March, vs. a team gauged on its regular season performance to date. Were the Iowa teams that peaked at NCAA's juggernauts throughout the regular season? Wasn't one of their best performances as a pretty significant underdog?

Plus, most of the talk is about tOSU as being one of, if not the best, dual meet teams every assembled. I would think a more fair comparison would be vs. how teams performed in duals vs. what place they took at NCAA's.

No, I started off as a pre-med major and decided I didn't want to go to school for forever and then residency and debt before hopefullly establishing myself, paying everything off by my age now and then hopefully being successful. Instead, I used the science and math I had from those 1st 2 years and switched to Mechanical Engineering and Building Construction Management. Never could acquire an interest in the wacky tobacky. Did have my battles with the booze, however......

 

[funkisfun12]

From my spot on the couch it appeared that your Hawks exposed some conditioning and getting out from bottom issues with the Bucknuts. Not a good recipe for wrestling PSU.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

I think it could happen, because I don't think Moore is the juggernaut some perceive him to be. That being said, who has Rasheed really beat? I need to see a lot more before I would make that pick.

He had his way with Beasley who is a returning AA. Moore looks like a master at wrestling at a high pace while his technique may not always be the most crisp. Rasheed is long and talented and could exploit that. He could legit win without even going to the cradle in my mind. With that said i guess I’ll still pick Moore but just slightly.

 

[NYWRESTLER94]

"fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life son"

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I’m working on getting back to my freshman walk around weight the liquor only gets put to use for special occasions these days so i should have something to drink to after the dual . Seriously though should be a fun night when it goes down

 

[1stplacehawk]

He had his way with Beasley who is a returning AA. Moore looks like a master at wrestling at a high pace while his technique may not always be the most crisp. Rasheed is long and talented and could exploit that. He could legit win without even going to the cradle in my mind. With that said i guess I’ll still pick Moore but just slightly.

AA or not, I just don’t think Beasley is very good.

 

[Grip220]

I am sorry. I meant to include 133. Now that they have pulled Lee's shirt, they are NOT on a down year. In fact, I would argue that Iowa will outscore most, if not all, of their NCAA point totals since their last championship in 2010.

Thats Was my point its not a down year even if some thought it was going to be. With a couple of “blue” chips falling in place Iowa is back in the mix for #1 and they are doing it with some recruits way outside top 20 guys.

 

[mvattivo]

125 - NATO by fall (He knows what's needed) 6-0 OSU
133 - Pletcher by major (Could be decision) 10-0 OSU
141 - Lee by decision (Definitely a toss-up) 10-3 OSU
149 - Zain by fall (Could be TF) 10-9 OSU
157 - Nolf by major (Could be TF or Fall) 13-10 PSU
165 - Joseph by major (Could be decision) 17-10 PSU
174 - Hall by decision (Definitely a toss-up) 20-10 PSU
184 - Nickal by decision (Could go other way, could be bonus) 23-10 PSU
197 - Moore by decision (Rasheed is dangerous) 23-13 PSU
285 - Snyder by major (Could be TF) 23-17 PSU