Ok Trumpers: How much do you want trump to spend to mass deport 12 million people

[Obviously Oblivious]

I just want to point out that the farms were doing just fine in 2020 with the immigration numbers where they were at. If the 8-10 million that have come here since that time end up leaving, the farms will still be just fine. It’s a dumb scare tactic.

Which hole in your backside are you pulling those numbers from? What a joke.

From the Pew Research Center:

• The number of unauthorized immigrants from Mexico dropped to 4.0 million in 2022 from a peak of 6.9 million in 2007.Mexico has long been, and remains, the most common country of birth for unauthorized immigrants.
• From 2019 to 2022, the unauthorized immigrant population from nearly every region of the world grew. The Caribbean, South America, Asia, Europe and sub-Saharan Africa all saw increases.
• The unauthorized immigrant population grew in six states from 2019 to 2022 – Florida, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York and Texas. Only California saw a decrease.
• About 8.3 million U.S. workers in 2022 were unauthorized immigrants, an increase from 7.4 million in 2019. The 2022 number is essentially the same as previous highs in 2008 and 2011.

 

[SB_SB]

Posted this in another thread but the answer is to deport those caught committing crimes. And I'm not talking about speeding or smoking weed... But any undocumented immigrant caught committing serious misdemeanors or felonies need to serve their punishment then be sent home. You say you came here for a better life, fine, be productive and stay out of trouble. But come here and be a criminal, you're out.

How is that going to get rid of millions of immigrants? That's not what trump is saying, and that's not what trump supporters should expect from trump.

 

[NoleATL]

He's not talking about pulling anyone's citizenship away from them. Stop believing everything MSNBC tells you.

Someone is lying. For the record, I really don't watch MSNBC, CNN, FoxNews etc much at all...

 

[SB_SB]

Yeah, the nazis tried it. The issue with plans like this is where to those people go? What countries are going to take bus? train? plane loads of 25 million people?
The reason the nazi's called it the 'final solution' is because the first solution was to deport all the jews and other 'undesirables'. When no one would take them they started killing them.
So...who is going to take 25 million 'illegals'?

trump won't ask for permission of where to drop them off, he's just going to take them to mexico and have mexico deal with it. My guess is, trump will make it so painful for these immigrants that they might not want to return for fear of going through it again. He actually might stop the flow of immigrants from Mexico even without a wall, but the way he will do it might give some people sleepless nights.

 

[MikeyHawk]

So then why run for president if you're unable to fix the problem?

huh?

 

[BelemNole]

trump won't ask for permission of where to drop them off, he's just going to take them to mexico and have mexico deal with it. My guess is, trump will make it so painful for these immigrants that they might not want to return for fear of going through it again. He actually might stop the flow of immigrants from Mexico even without a wall, but the way he will do it might give some people sleepless nights.

So....invade sovereign countries and dump millions of people in them?

 

[ICHerky]

Whatever it costs.

 

[Rifler]

Here's the thing. We don't know what his plan is.

Correct,.. so perhaps quit the bitching until you actually see the plan.

 

[SB_SB]

So....invade sovereign countries and dump millions of people in them?

Not something I believe this country should do, but it is what the people voted for, give the people what they want.

 

[NoleATL]

He actually might stop the flow of immigrants from Mexico even without a wall

Jail sentences for employers who hire them would be a VERY low cost way to curb illegal immigration. They come here to work to be able to live and send money to family. If there are no jobs, the VAST majority of them would not come.

 

[ICHerky]

In semi seriousness, what I would like him/congress to do is slice and dice the cohorts, and to some of those cohorts (eg, long stay), offer a pathway to citizenship that entails working in a wpa-like enterprise to refresh our parks and similar public works.

As to the ineligible, it comes down to expedited processes.

But we need to set a new prospective baseline

I don’t mind most of this except the pathway to citizenship. Anyone who came here illegally should never be able to become a citizen.

I’m open to permanent residency for some, but never citizenship. If you want to become a citizen you have to come here legally.

 

[SB_SB]

Correct,.. so perhaps quit the bitching until you actually see the plan.

What do you think people are expecting from trump, for him to deport criminals or actually be proactive and deport all immigrants? My understanding was he was looking to deport all immigrants and I'm guessing the MAGA's are expecting the same.

 

[SB_SB]

Jail sentences for employers who hire them would be a VERY low cost way to curb illegal immigration. They come here to work to be able to live and send money to family. If there are no jobs, the VAST majority of them would not come.

If you look at migrations where whole races leave a country, it's usually because of the fear of death. I don't think you're going to stop the immigrants by just arresting the employers. The immigrants will still comes. Not having a job will just push them to committing more crimes to survive. There's a lot more to steal in the U.S. than there is in Mexico.

 

[Rifler]

What do you think people are expecting from trump, for him to deport criminals or actually be proactive and deport all immigrants? My understanding was he was looking to deport all immigrants and I'm guessing the MAGA's are expecting the same.

I would say that your understanding is incorrect. I expect the new administration to start with the low hanging fruit and then go as far as is possible, affordable and useful:

1. Secure the border
2. Foreign criminals
3. Domestic criminals
4. Unqualified asylum applicants
5. Visa overstays
6. Implement new immigration legislation

Items 2-5 will take years to work through...

 

[Aardvark86]

I don’t mind most of this except the pathway to citizenship. Anyone who came here illegally should never be able to become a citizen.

I’m open to permanent residency for some, but never citizenship. If you want to become a citizen you have to come here legally.

It’s easy to say that in theory but completely impractical. We simply have to set a baseline. And if they’re willing to put true sweat equity into the national infrastructure, those are precisely the people I want as fellow citizens.

 

[NoleATL]

If you look at migrations where whole races leave a country, it's usually because of the fear of death. I don't think you're going to stop the immigrants by just arresting the employers. The immigrants will still comes. Not having a job will just push them to committing more crimes to survive. There's a lot more to steal in the U.S. than there is in Mexico.

Except you are wrong. Scroll down to Mexican immigrants to the U.S.

Why do immigrants come to the US?

Of all people legally immigrating to the US in 2021, about 42% came for work, 32% for school, and 23% for family.

usafacts.org

 

[SB_SB]

I would say that your understanding is incorrect. I expect the new administration to start with the low hanging fruit and then go as far as is possible, affordable and useful:

1. Secure the border
2. Foreign criminals
3. Domestic criminals
4. Unqualified asylum applicants
5. Visa overstays
6. Implement new immigration legislation

Items 2-5 will take years to work through...

I love your plan but you're thinking rationally. That's not what trump, his advisors, and MAGA want. And that's not what trump promised.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

I just want to point out that the farms were doing just fine in 2020 with the immigration numbers where they were at. If the 8-10 million that have come here since that time end up leaving, the farms will still be just fine. It’s a dumb scare tactic.

Jeesum crow I hope so! 28 billion in federal trade compensation aid had just been sent to them.

 

[SB_SB]

Except you are wrong. Scroll down to Mexican immigrants to the U.S.

Why do immigrants come to the US?

Of all people legally immigrating to the US in 2021, about 42% came for work, 32% for school, and 23% for family.

usafacts.org

People will still come for the schools, for family, and any work they can get, even if it's criminal. Until the U.S. becomes a worse opportunity than where they're at, they will keep coming. Wouldn't you?

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

Half of the federal workforce is closer to 1,500,000 people.

 

[Huey Grey]

I have a feeling that trump won't be so selective on who he grabs. There's going to be a lot of profiling going on and then they'll sort it out at a detention center. I hope those people are carrying their "papers".

Look, don't get me wrong. Theoretically he can do this. But it would be absurdly difficult trying to get to that point. There are so many logistical problems that it would be insane to even attempt this. And those are just the physical problems of moving that many people. Then there are the legal problems. The social problems. The political problems. And the economic problems.

 

[SB_SB]

Look, don't get me wrong. Theoretically he can do this. But it would be absurdly difficult trying to get to that point. There are so many logistical problems that it would be insane to even attempt this. And those are just the physical problems of moving that many people. Then there are the legal problems. The social problems. The political problems. And the economic problems.

In times of chaos, legal, social, political, and economic problems goes out the door.

 

[Huey Grey]

In times of chaos, legal, social, political, and economic problems goes out the door.

Chaos is right.

 

[ISUBryce]

We could basically fix our problem for $500Bn?

That's probably assuming the efficiency of the Biden admin too, and it probably also assumes he'll deport EVERY illegal, which isn't the plan. The plan is to report those with removal orders and known criminals.

So it's not going to be 10 million deported (at $50k each according to the math).

I bet we can figure out a way to do it for less than $50k each.

I'm guessing we could deport everyone they want to deport, finish up the necessary portions of the wall, fix our immigrant processing issue (and cut application time in half for legal immigrants), and welcome an extra million new LEGAL immigrants for $500bn (but they wouldn't get free hotel rooms, phones, or cash/food stamps).

Put the DOGE on it.

Why didn’t he do all this last time?

 

[ICHerky]

It’s easy to say that in theory but completely impractical. We simply have to set a baseline. And if they’re willing to put true sweat equity into the national infrastructure, those are precisely the people I want as fellow citizens.

We’ll disagree on this one. I don’t think it’d be difficult at all to have a separate “green card” status that never allows citizenship.

It’s blatantly unfair to let anyone who came illegally to become a citizen prior to anyone who came legally.

First this first, secure the border and get illegal immigration to as close to zero as possible. Then we can look to fix the rest.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Estimates are almost half a trillion dollars. And where is he getting the people power to do the arrests.

The US Army will do it. They're already being paid so it will be free.

If it's not free, just cancel the next exercise with S.Korea - which Trump can leverage into better relations with N.Korea.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Trump said it's well north of 20 million people. How does he logistically pull this off when he's not even honest about the size of the job?

Silly Dem. He SAYS he rounds up 20 million at $10K a head, but since there are actually only 12 million, he keeps the difference.

We're talking about Trump, after all.

 

[Hawk_82]

One thing that needs to be pointed out, dems always wanted open borders. They never wanted to close the border, they just wanted to process immigrants faster.

Massachusetts governor just announced she will refuse to help Trump deport immigrants. Newsome said the same thing. So it was all a lie when dems said they were trying to close the border.

How much money are dems willing to spend in lawsuits trying to prevent deportation?

Massachusetts governor vows to refuse Trump deportation requests: 'Absolutely not'

Massachusetts Gov. Maura Healey said after President-elect Donald Trump's victory in the White House race that her state will not help with 'mass deportations.'

wgme.com

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Clearly the cheapest way to do do this is to put a bounty on their heads. At $1K each, there will be plenty of bounty hunters. And maybe some exciting reality TV shows.

Get the bounty hunters to pay to get registered, and they get limited liability if they make mistakes. You know, like Pfizer and Moderna got limited liability to target COVID.

 

[Hawk_82]

I would start with allowing any illegals a free ticket back to their home country. If you leave the usa before 2026, then you are eligible to become a US citizen in the future if you go through the legal route.

If you are caught here illegally after 2026, then you will be prosecuted for entering the country illegally, you will be sent back to your country and not eligible to return.

If you are illegal and caught committing a crime, you will be charged and sent back to your country without the ability to return.

Seems like this could make a lot of people reconsider staying here.

 

[SB_SB]

Clearly the cheapest way to do do this is to put a bounty on their heads. At $1K each, there will be plenty of bounty hunters. And maybe some exciting reality TV shows.

Get the bounty hunters to pay to get registered, and they get limited liability if they make mistakes. You know, like Pfizer and Moderna got limited liability to target COVID.

I see where you're going, treat it like the burmese pythons in Florida. it definitely would be a hit show in the south.

 

[SB_SB]

I would start with allowing any illegals a free ticket back to their home country. If you leave the usa before 2026, then you are eligible to become a US citizen in the future if you go through the legal route.

If you are caught here illegally after 2026, then you will be prosecuted for entering the country illegally, you will be sent back to your country and not eligible to return.

If you are illegal and caught committing a crime, you will be charged and sent back to your country without the ability to return.

Seems like this could make a lot of people reconsider staying here.

I don't think you understand what MAGA wants, they want everyone to leave and never come back. trump isn't getting rid of just illegals, he's to get rid of all of them.

 

[thewop]

Why didn’t he do all this last time?

Remember when he wanted $5Bn, then reduced to $3Bn for a wall? Nancy and Chuck wouldn't meet with him. Then he got remain in Mexico done without them, which greatly helped.

Also, he didn't have Venezuelan gangs taking over apartment buildings last time. The situation is much worse, where last time we could have still handled it had we just stopped the flow. Biden proudly did away with all of Trump's controls on day 1...now we have a shit show.

The situations is twice as bad as it was last time. It requires more drastic measures. Dems used to argue that border security was just a racist quip, nothing to worry about. All the way until spring 2024, this was their stance. At least they'll acknowledge the problem now. Hopefully they'll be reasonable about it.

 

[ISUBryce]

Remember when he wanted $5Bn, then reduced to $3Bn for a wall? Nancy and Chuck wouldn't meet with him. Then he got remain in Mexico done without them, which greatly helped.

Also, he didn't have Venezuelan gangs taking over apartment buildings last time. The situation is much worse, where last time we could have still handled it had we just stopped the flow. Biden proudly did away with all of Trump's controls on day 1...now we have a shit show.

The situations is twice as bad as it was last time. It requires more drastic measures. Dems used to argue that border security was just a racist quip, nothing to worry about. All the way until spring 2024, this was their stance. At least they'll acknowledge the problem now. Hopefully they'll be reasonable about it.

They were reasonable about it, when they passed a bipartisan bill that Trump killed. If you think he’s going to get any help with any draconian measures you’re wrong.

 

[seminole97]

Start with known gang bangers and recent criminal records, just start.

 

[lucas80]

I don’t mind most of this except the pathway to citizenship. Anyone who came here illegally should never be able to become a citizen.

I’m open to permanent residency for some, but never citizenship. If you want to become a citizen you have to come here legally.

Like Elon and Melania?

 

[lucas80]

trump won't ask for permission of where to drop them off, he's just going to take them to mexico and have mexico deal with it. My guess is, trump will make it so painful for these immigrants that they might not want to return for fear of going through it again. He actually might stop the flow of immigrants from Mexico even without a wall, but the way he will do it might give some people sleepless nights.

One of the largest groups currently entering the US are from China. Why should Mexico take Chinese citizens? All the people from Europe who overstayed a visa are going to Mexico?

 

[Huey Grey]

Remember when he wanted $5Bn, then reduced to $3Bn for a wall? Nancy and Chuck wouldn't meet with him. Then he got remain in Mexico done without them, which greatly helped.

Also, he didn't have Venezuelan gangs taking over apartment buildings last time. The situation is much worse, where last time we could have still handled it had we just stopped the flow. Biden proudly did away with all of Trump's controls on day 1...now we have a shit show.

The situations is twice as bad as it was last time. It requires more drastic measures. Dems used to argue that border security was just a racist quip, nothing to worry about. All the way until spring 2024, this was their stance. At least they'll acknowledge the problem now. Hopefully they'll be reasonable about it.

Nothing says reasonable like lying about the number of illegal immigrants and then saying you're deporting all of them with no idea how to actually do it. That, sir, is pure reason.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Trump said it's well north of 20 million people. How does he logistically pull this off when he's not even honest about the size of the job?

I think the concentration camps are more likely.

Or were those reserved for the LBGTQ community?

 

[lucas80]

NPR mentioned this AM that Trump has started to modify his words, no saying that "criminals", will be deported. The US needs foreign born labor, so I suspect he will proclaim victory, and create a program for people already here to work here. Rural Iowa would be in deep s**t without illegals and their willingness to work for substandard wages.
Stephen Miller seems hell bent on challenging birth right citizenship, so, we'll see how that goes. I am also wondering if Miller tries to deport DACA recipients. Those folks have extremely compelling, heartstring pulling stories. That will be very bad TV if they try and mass deport DACA recipients.