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Oklahoma makes teaching the Bible mandatory in all schools

No; it's actual medical science.
You can Google up the medical references if you want to.
Suuuuure Joe. I notice none of your lefty liberal buddies in here are dumb enough to concur with your stupidity on this one. Enjoy Tampons for boys Island. I hear it's great this time of year. I know you read it on the internet so it must be true.
 
Which bible?

The Trump Bible, I assume.


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I’m fine with an elective religious studies being taught in higher level high school courses. One of these courses was my favorite at Iowa. I’d be curious to know if there is a 1st Amendment argument here as a teacher. Can a teacher be forced by a public agency to teach religion when it’s something they don’t agree with?

No fcvking way. Separation of church and state means just that. Philosophy belongs in advanced education curriculum.

It's not the responsibility of public schools to program students on issues like religion, which is exactly what it is. It's up to families to make those decisions.

Keep that junk away from my grandkids and great grandkids.
 
No fcvking way. Separation of church and state means just that. Philosophy belongs in advanced education curriculum.

It's not the responsibility of public schools to program students on issues like religion, which is exactly what it is. It's up to families to make those decisions.

Keep that junk away from my grandkids and great grandkids.
An AP high school class on varied religious philosophies would be a great class. Not advocacy. I’d be down with designing the curriculum. Bring in religious leaders of all the religions who want to come.

Religion is a vital component of our history. It doesn’t make sense to ignore that history because of fear. I’m not talking indoctrination but education.
 
An AP high school class on varied religious philosophies would be a great class. Not advocacy. I’d be down with designing the curriculum. Bring in religious leaders of all the religions who want to come.

Religion is a vital component of our history. It doesn’t make sense to ignore that history because of fear. I’m not talking indoctrination but education.

History? Religion is spiritualism.

religon

1. a particilar system of faith and worship.

2. a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance

Please provide data for which "history" is relevant and sources can validate and verify educational materials. A single source (Bible) is ridiculous.

If you don't live in the Bible Belt, and are not MAGA, why in the holy hell would you bring up such an absurd argument?
 
Religion is absolutely intertwined with historical politics and conflicts.

Is this how you or anyone want to incorporate religion's historical influence at a high school level education?

The intention is to indoctrinate kids with Christianity. Period.

No other reason. And there's no rhyme nor reason why Christianity is or should be preferred. Separation of church and state.
 
History? Religion is spiritualism.

religon

1. a particilar system of faith and worship.

2. a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance

Please provide data for which "history" is relevant and sources can validate and verify educational materials. A single source (Bible) is ridiculous.

If you don't live in the Bible Belt, and are not MAGA, why in the holy hell would you bring up such an absurd argument?
Religion plays a significant role in society today. Students should learn about the history of religion and how religion influences and impacts societies.
 
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Religion plays a significant role in society today. Students should learn about the history of religion and how religion influences and impacts societies.
Fine but then you need the Quran , the Torah, the Hindu, Buddhist etc that must also have there place in public schools, if that’s what you are advocating. Should public schools also spend your tax dollars on that as well. I’m all for education and history so sure buy all those and teach side by side
Might be a tough sell though in Oklahoma?
 
Is this how you or anyone want to incorporate religion's historical influence at a high school level education?
Yes.

Learning high-level fundamental elements of various world religions is entirely within the scope of teaching kids about the world and its history.

That is not "indoctrination" by any stretch.
 
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Fine but then you need the Quran , the Torah, the Hindu, Buddhist etc that must also have there place in public schools, if that’s what you are advocating. Should public schools also spend your tax dollars on that as well. I’m all for education and history so sure buy all those and teach side by side
Might be a tough sell though in Oklahoma?
I agree. A comparative study of religions and their affect on the history and present culture of the United states and world.
 
Yes.

Learning high-level fundamental elements of various world religions is entirely within the scope of teaching kids about the world and its history.

That is not "indoctrination" by any stretch.

In what context? The Crusades? Virginal birth. A big boat someone built and went all over the earth, gathered all species, brought them back to the big boat, waited 'til the water receded, redistributed all species to their origins. Shit like that.

Religion is not based on fact. It is spiritual. You can work on how religion's effect shaped social entities throughout the ages but it's purely speculative and applicable as the religious community sees it as positive.

And keep in mind Christianity is a relatively recent religion. Like I said before, Christianity holds no ownership. The Founding Fathers had the foresight to build in protection from organized religion's hold on England. This thread was originally based on Bible teaching in Oklahoma.

We shouldn't be having this conversation in 2024. It's a Constitutional issue. Separation of church and state. Education belongs in schools. Religion (spiritualism) belongs in church. If the two merge, it's history and if it's within the context of history worthy of educating, by all means. But to teach history for the sake of religion, no way.
 
In what context? The Crusades? Virginal birth. A big boat someone built and went all over the earth, gathered all species, brought them back to the big boat, waited 'til the water receded, redistributed all species to their origins. Shit like that.

Religion is not based on fact. It is spiritual. You can work on how religion's effect shaped social entities throughout the ages but it's purely speculative and applicable as the religious community sees it as positive.

And keep in mind Christianity is a relatively recent religion. Like I said before, Christianity holds no ownership. The Founding Fathers had the foresight to build in protection from organized religion's hold on England. This thread was originally based on Bible teaching in Oklahoma.

We shouldn't be having this conversation in 2024. It's a Constitutional issue. Separation of church and state. Education belongs in schools. Religion (spiritualism) belongs in church. If the two merge, it's history and if it's within the context of history worthy of educating, by all means. But to teach history for the sake of religion, no way.

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Oh, it's Pretend Day, to just make up "statistics" that make you "feel good"!!!

What was the name of that school the kid shot her classmates and teacher in, again...???
The one shot up by the mentally disturbed femcel leftist dating a trans dude online? Again, leftist values attacking Christian ones. You played yourself again, Joe. Enjoy the L.
 
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None of this is factual.

It was a Christian school attendee, who's parent(s) helped her learn all about gun culture, and Elno's site taught her about Nazis.
The "trifecta" of the conservatives' platform these days.
It's all true. The manifesto was posted online by said trans bf. The receipts are all over the web, you're just uneducated on the topic per usual. You wanna look back at the Nashville Christian school shooting that was a trans leftist? I could keep going.
 
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FACT: since mandating Bible study in public schools the rate of closeted gay sex has exploded by 10,000,000%. Oklahoma has the largest per capita percentage of closeted gay men in the United States, and legislation is making its way through the State Legislature to officially change the name to “Oklahomo”.

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You know that's not true bc if it was the left would love Christian education (bc they're gay and worship all gay things)
 
I realize coming out in Russia would be a death sentence for you Scruffy, but that’s no reason to hate yourself for who you really are. Here in the U.S. most of us are accepting and tolerant.
I don't see much of any tolerance from your side. I see you call anyone who makes fun of you Hitler or Russian assets (midwit behavior btw). I see you call people bigots if they say chicks don't have dicks. Again, I don't see the tolerance. Mostly just blatant stupidity and hollow virtue you're all obsessed with talking about.
 
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Probably for the best. I think the social experiment of the last 30 years has shown Christian values >>> liberal ones for society as a whole.


Ok. I will look at the first stat. Teenage pregnancy.

These numbers are from the Congressional Research Service

In 1960 when prayer was still in public schools the teenage birth rate was 89.1 per 1000 females aged 15-19

In 2022 the teenage birth rate was 13.1 per 1000 females aged 15-19.

Now knowing you, you will claim that number is just live births. It doesn't include all the abortions. So let's look at that.

In 2022 the rate of teenage abortions is 29 per 1000 pregnancies. Adding those numbers we get:

1960 : 89 per 1000 females
2022 : 42 per 1000 females

The 500% increase does not seems to pass inspection.

I'm not going to waste my time looking at the other numbers. Honestly I'm not sure why I did for the pregnancy numbers
 
Ok. I will look at the first stat. Teenage pregnancy.

These numbers are from the Congressional Research Service

In 1960 when prayer was still in public schools the teenage birth rate was 89.1 per 1000 females aged 15-19

In 2022 the teenage birth rate was 13.1 per 1000 females aged 15-19.

Now knowing you, you will claim that number is just live births. It doesn't include all the abortions. So let's look at that.

In 2022 the rate of teenage abortions is 29 per 1000 pregnancies. Adding those numbers we get:

1960 : 89 per 1000 females
2022 : 42 per 1000 females

The 500% increase does not seems to pass inspection.

I'm not going to waste my time looking at the other numbers. Honestly I'm not sure why I did for the pregnancy numbers
Teen pregnancy--DHHS Statistical Abstract of the U.S.
Violent crime--Statistical Abstract of the US and the Dept of Commerce Census Bureau
STD: Center for Disease Control and DHHS
Single-parent households: Statistical Abstract of the US and Dept of Commerce--Census Bureau

Have fun educating yourself.
 
Teen pregnancy--DHHS Statistical Abstract of the U.S.
Violent crime--Statistical Abstract of the US and the Dept of Commerce Census Bureau
STD: Center for Disease Control and DHHS
Single-parent households: Statistical Abstract of the US and Dept of Commerce--Census Bureau

Have fun educating yourself.
Here's an actual link from HHS stating teenage pregnancies have decreased almost continuously for 30 years. I believe you need to take your own advice and educate yourself. And not on Twitter.

 
Ok. I will look at the first stat. Teenage pregnancy.

These numbers are from the Congressional Research Service

In 1960 when prayer was still in public schools the teenage birth rate was 89.1 per 1000 females aged 15-19

In 2022 the teenage birth rate was 13.1 per 1000 females aged 15-19.

Now knowing you, you will claim that number is just live births. It doesn't include all the abortions. So let's look at that.

In 2022 the rate of teenage abortions is 29 per 1000 pregnancies. Adding those numbers we get:

1960 : 89 per 1000 females
2022 : 42 per 1000 females

The 500% increase does not seems to pass inspection.

I'm not going to waste my time looking at the other numbers. Honestly I'm not sure why I did for the pregnancy numbers

Yep.
Scrud just regurgitates whatever his Overlords feed to him on Twitter nowadays.
No critical thinking required.
 
Ok. I will look at the first stat. Teenage pregnancy.

These numbers are from the Congressional Research Service

In 1960 when prayer was still in public schools the teenage birth rate was 89.1 per 1000 females aged 15-19

In 2022 the teenage birth rate was 13.1 per 1000 females aged 15-19.

Now knowing you, you will claim that number is just live births. It doesn't include all the abortions. So let's look at that.

In 2022 the rate of teenage abortions is 29 per 1000 pregnancies. Adding those numbers we get:

1960 : 89 per 1000 females
2022 : 42 per 1000 females

The 500% increase does not seems to pass inspection.

I'm not going to waste my time looking at the other numbers. Honestly I'm not sure why I did for the pregnancy numbers


How many were married by those ages in those years?
 
How many were married by those ages in those years?
Gotcha. Nevermind that teenage birthrates have decreased almost continuously since 1960. It's that the percentage of births to unmarried teenage mothers has increased.

It seems to match up with the decline of women getting married or waiting to get married.

I guess women just need to be married and start pumping out those kids earlier. Like the Bible says.
 
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