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One way or the other millions of people in this country are insane…

Does it ever make you question your sanity? What do others see in Trump that your are completely blind to?

Btw, I am glad you are on the mend. 😊

It absolutely makes me question my sanity. Like I am having some serious anxiety lately. What am I missing? How can so many people be so wrong? And not all of these trump supporters are the red neck hillbilly types. There are plenty of intelligent people that support trump.

I feel like I am in bizarro world.
 
Wonder where that "white male vs everyone" came from...


Fwiw, it wasn't "white" male in 2024, it was "men who hold traditional values" vs "everyone" which is why you saw the Hispanic and black community swing.


I will never forget the day this group of people, who fancy themselves intelligent, couldn't even begin to discuss the aspects of toxic feminism.

That, unfortunately, is the democratic party in a nutshell.
You evidently are not close to the Latin community.

Your thinking and understanding is so off.

There are several factors you don’t understand. Latin males are very chauvinistic.

“Others” want to be accepted by the masses. Many feel/felt that if they go with MAGA, they’ll be accepted.
 
My first decision point when deciding who to vote for is "is this a decent human being."

When I had the displeasure of meeting John Edwards on the campaign trail back when I was still a newspaper reporter, his creepy unctious, phony persona and general vibe was so awful I knew there was no way in hell I could vote for him, even if he somehow had won the Democratic primary and ran against GWB, whose policies I hated but whose patriotism, love of country and willingness to be a public servant I never questioned.

Likewise, there is a former Davenport mayoral candidate and now state rep who is one of the leading Democrats in Scott County and I know for a fact he's a mysoginistic creep. I refused to vote for him, even though I am desperate to see more Democrats in the Iowa statehouse.

It blows my mind people willingly vote for people they know are creeps and crooks just because of party affiliation. And Trump is the prime example of that. Even his SUPPORTERS admit he lies and is a jackass often.

Speaking of QC politicians, I had the dishonor of meeting Mike Vondran a handful of times. My scumbag alarms went off immediately, I wish more people had scumbag alarms.
 
Speaking of QC politicians, I had the dishonor of meeting Mike Vondran a handful of times. My scumbag alarms went off immediately, I wish more people had scumbag alarms.
He's an interesting case. He is one of those formerly moderate, thoughtful Republicans that took the red pill and went batshit.

I have done some freelance work for him in the past - nice enough guy - but he's all in on the Reynolds/Trump crazy train now - for power and prestige.
 
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He's an interesting case. He is one of those formerly moderate, thoughtful Republicans that took the red pill and went batshit.

I have done some freelance work for him in the past - nice enough guy - but he's all in on the Reynolds/Trump crazy train now - for power and prestige.

I didn't meet him until around his first time he ran and didn't get elected. I was really excited to vote against him that election.

I know a lot of people that have made the move from moderate or ambivalent to maga. It's pretty damn unfortunate.
 
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I would argue that at the end of the day, if the person is going to vote the way you want them to vote, shouldnt that be who you vote for?

No.

It is impossible to predict what issues may arise over any politician's term. You want somebody who you believe has the judgement and wisdom to make good decisions as issues arise.
 
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You evidently are not close to the Latin community.

Your thinking and understanding is so off.

There are several factors you don’t understand. Latin males are very chauvinistic.

“Others” want to be accepted by the masses. Many feel/felt that if they go with MAGA, they’ll be accepted.
I say tradional values you say chauvinistic...



I appreciate your input.
 
There is one career in the world you can make 200k for 30 years and die worth 50 million.


I can provide examples, what you just said, is your opinion.


@hawkeyetraveler


I don't get it.
Not sure why you tagged me, but my reaction is they aren’t ALL criminals.

Are some Dem politicians criminals? Almost certainly. Are some GOP politicians NOT criminals? Almost certainly.

Has our country seen the level of corruption on display right now by the Trump admin in modern history? Almost certainly not.

It isn’t binary all one way or the other. It is a sliding scale of corruption and Trump appear to have overloaded the scale.
 
It's interesting for certain. It's easy to scoff at most of the resident MAGAs and the charactures we see on TV interviews, but I work with so many Trump voters and they are kind, intelligent, well educated people. It blows my mind because they don't fit the narrative, aside from who we voted for, our commonalities are so parallel. It's very hard to wrap my head around it.
Those would be the "full of shit" people from the Carlin bit above.
 
I argued for years Biden should not run. Do a search and you will see me saying that was a major mistake prior to the debate. Hell I said it actively when he announced.

Having said that I have eaten my share of crow for thinking Harris had a decent shot to win at the end. I was taken aback by just how many people preferred to sit on the couch. I didn’t realize how much apathy the occasional voters had towards Trump and how much the active voters were worried about inflation. I figured he was more polarizing and people would actively vote against him. Instead many boycotted the election or believed Trump’s price BS which surprised me.
Appreciate your post, gotta believe the previous administration's policies were a factor.
 
Not sure why you tagged me, but my reaction is they aren’t ALL criminals.

Are some Dem politicians criminals? Almost certainly. Are some GOP politicians NOT criminals? Almost certainly.

Has our country seen the level of corruption on display right now by the Trump admin in modern history? Almost certainly not.

It isn’t binary all one way or the other. It is a sliding scale of corruption and Trump appear to have overloaded the scale.
Gone are the days of "how do you know a politician is lying".

Sad.
 
From a pure logic standpoint, probably.

But I just cannot pull the lever for someone I know is a piece of shit, regardless of whether they agree with me on the issues or not.

Character matters.
Joe Biden is not a decent human being. Kamala Harris is not a decent human being. With below average intelligence to boot.

Harris and Trump were our only two choices, in reality. They were foisted upon us as the only two choices who could actually win.

It's not just happenstance that we had only two, both terrible, choices.

The oligarchs approved of them both, if thy hadn't, they wouldn't have been the nominees.
 
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It absolutely makes me question my sanity. Like I am having some serious anxiety lately. What am I missing? How can so many people be so wrong? And not all of these trump supporters are the red neck hillbilly types. There are plenty of intelligent people that support trump.

I feel like I am in bizarro world.
I've explained it twice in this thread. Here is what you are missing:

Joe Biden is not a decent human being. Kamala Harris is not a decent not a decent human being. With below average intelligence to boot.

Harris and Trump were our only two choices, in reality. They were foisted upon us as the only two choices who could actually win.

It's not just happenstance that we had only two, both terrible, choices.

The oligarchs approved of them both, if they hadn't, they wouldn't have been the nominees.
 
That’s my phone the. Head Snap
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Oh. That clears it up…
 
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Joe Biden is not a decent human being. Kamala Harris is not a decent human being. With below average intelligence to boot.

Harris and Trump were our only two choices, in reality. They were foisted upon us as the only two choices who could actually win.

It's not just happenstance that we had only two, both terrible, choices.

The oligarchs approved of them both, if thy hadn't, they wouldn't have been the nominees.
So you simply had no choice but to vote for Trump, who of course is a decent human being with above-average intelligence.
 
I've explained it twice in this thread. Here is what you are missing:

Joe Biden is not a decent human being. Kamala Harris is not a decent not a decent human being. With below average intelligence to boot.

Harris and Trump were our only two choices, in reality. They were foisted upon us as the only two choices who could actually win.

It's not just happenstance that we had only two, both terrible, choices.

The oligarchs approved of them both, if they hadn't, they wouldn't have been the nominees.
Use of false equivalencies demonstrate a lack of sophistication.

Again, your comments have nothing to do with the OP. Nothing. Zilch. Zero relevance.
 
It absolutely makes me question my sanity. Like I am having some serious anxiety lately. What am I missing? How can so many people be so wrong? And not all of these trump supporters are the red neck hillbilly types. There are plenty of intelligent people that support trump.

I feel like I am in bizarro world.
The whole system doesn’t really work the way you’ve thought your whole life that it works.

It doesn’t really work the way the mainstream media and the tee vee tells you it works.

Voting, Lol. Oh the naïveté . It’s been said that if voting could really fix things, it would be illegal.

Let me find the vid where George Carlin explains it to ya…
 
Lying and outright corruption are slightly different beasts in my mind. They all lie.
I think I'm starting to see one of the divides in our thinking.

I tend to be more 1 or 0 and you tend to use scales.



These orgs, that on face value support a good cause, that are money trees for every bureaucrat along the way, is that lying or corruption?



Telling the united states tax payers our money is being well spent only to send it off to the marshmallow fund of hades is lying ImO.

Some guy grabbing 10k out of the pot on its way down is corruption to me.
 
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The whole system doesn’t really work the way you’ve thought your whole life that it works.

It doesn’t really work the way the mainstream media and the tee vee tells you it works.

Voting, Lol. Oh the naïveté . It’s been said that if voting could really fix things, it would be illegal.

Let me find the vid where George Carlin explains it to ya…

wtf does any of this have to do with my post?
 
People aren't blind. Lots of us Trump voters realize he is a flawed man. To be honest, I voted for him knowing this, but I also know that his win is largely of the Democrats doing at the end of the day.

Had they been normal no chance Trump wins.

Quickly, these things were a turn off to many.
Men in womens sports
Identity over accomplishment
Unfettered illegal immigration
Inflation
Most importantly, the sense of many was that the entirety of government was turned loose on Trump after his win in 2016. Many saw this as an assault on them personally.

Had Biden and the democrats simply left Trump alone after 2016 and controlled the border like is happening now, Trump would have lost or not run at all. He felt so wronged and prosecuted, literally and figuratively, that he had to run again to change the historical narrative from 1 termer to the greatest comeback in political history.

So, I know this isn't a comfortable thing to consider but Trump didn't win because people are crazy and worship him (not enough to win anyway) Trump won because the Democrats went crazy. This is the key to getting back the presidency for Democrats. What is even crazier is that they seem to have learned absolutely nothing. They continue to fight in the courts. They continue to do crazy shit at the speech before Congress.

Trump would not be President if the Democrat party had actual normal leadership and direction. That is my opinion and you may not like it or agree but I think the analysis is pretty accurate.
I did not vote for either Trump or Harris but I agree with many of the observations you make.
Dems made a calculated decision on Harris and it went south after that.
 
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People aren't blind. Lots of us Trump voters realize he is a flawed man. To be honest, I voted for him knowing this, but I also know that his win is largely of the Democrats doing at the end of the day.

Had they been normal no chance Trump wins.

Quickly, these things were a turn off to many.
Men in womens sports
Identity over accomplishment
Unfettered illegal immigration
Inflation
Most importantly, the sense of many was that the entirety of government was turned loose on Trump after his win in 2016. Many saw this as an assault on them personally.

Had Biden and the democrats simply left Trump alone after 2016 and controlled the border like is happening now, Trump would have lost or not run at all. He felt so wronged and prosecuted, literally and figuratively, that he had to run again to change the historical narrative from 1 termer to the greatest comeback in political history.

So, I know this isn't a comfortable thing to consider but Trump didn't win because people are crazy and worship him (not enough to win anyway) Trump won because the Democrats went crazy. This is the key to getting back the presidency for Democrats. What is even crazier is that they seem to have learned absolutely nothing. They continue to fight in the courts. They continue to do crazy shit at the speech before Congress.

Trump would not be President if the Democrat party had actual normal leadership and direction. That is my opinion and you may not like it or agree but I think the analysis is pretty accurate.
You can blame some Democrats for their positions (even if unpopular) and antics all you want. That doesn’t change the fact Trump dugbhisnown hole with his behavior to be twice impeached. Had he not won election he just might be facing jail time. So convenient to look past all of his actions to include the criminal stuff to blame DEI or the dozen of trans trying to play sports.

Just look at things over the past few months… grocery prices are higher, as is gas. Stock market taking a dive… crypto in the toilet too. We are throwing allies in Europe under the bus and creating a trade war with two of our neighbors, one of which is our closest allies. Unemployment is up… and only going to get worse. Yet, Trump and his circle will blame the Ds or or simply say it doesn’t matter anymore cuz they are in power.

All of this shit is crazy, but keep pointing fingers at the Ds.
 
Trump was approved by the oligarchs. The ones who really run things.

If he wasn't, he wouldn't be the president.

Is the fact that he's so divisive a plus or a minus, to the oligarchs?

A big plus.

They want us divided.
 
Speaking of lack of sophistication, the apparent loss of people's ability to self-introspect is dooming the electorate. "My own beliefs aren't the problem, yours are."
I like you, wish you would post more though it's obvious you see things differently than I.


You thinking either side is going to actually mentally digest that they have in fact been cheering for voldemort this whole time?


Some good discussion going on here. Hardly any, if any, attacks. Pretty civil for Hawkeyebacon.
You know what, you are right, and as part of thst would like to offer an apology to @bcherod

I made a comment last night regarding your avatar. That was past the line. I am sorry I took it there.
 
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