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Opinion Cassidy Hutchinson just gave us a smoking gun. But will Republicans care?

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By Max Boot
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On June 25, 1973, former White House counsel John Dean shocked the country with his testimony to a Senate committee revealing President Richard M. Nixon’s complicity in the Watergate coverup. He recalled “telling the president that there was a cancer growing on the presidency and that if the cancer was not removed that the President himself would be killed by it.” He thereby set in motion the process that led to Nixon’s downfall a little more than a year later.
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It has taken 49 years, almost to the day, but on Tuesday afternoon we finally heard congressional testimony about presidential misconduct whose shock value might rival Dean’s. The question now is whether the Republican Party will finally realize that former president Donald Trump is not fit to hold office — that, indeed, our democracy might not survive another Trump term. Or will the GOP shrug this off, as they have every other Trump scandal, as a trivial distraction from what they regard as far more important issues, such as the price of gasoline?
Cassidy Hutchinson, who worked as an aide to then-White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, electrified a television audience, Dean-style, with her firsthand account of Trump’s actions in the weeks leading up to Jan. 6, 2021, and on that infamous day itself. There were too many jaw-dropping moments to count.
She described how Trump was so angry at then-Attorney General William P. Barr for saying that the 2020 election was not fraudulent that he threw his meal against a White House dining room wall, leaving a smear of ketchup. This was evidence of a president who made Nixon seem like a model of sanity by comparison.


She said Trump was aware that members of the crowd on Jan. 6 were armed but insisted that the Secret Service take the magnetometers away. She quoted Trump as saying, “I don’t f---ing care that they have weapons. They’re not here to hurt me.” This gives a particularly sinister cast to the sentiments Trump expressed in public that day: He told the crowd on the Ellipse to “fight like hell” and tweeted, while the mob was ransacking the Capitol, that “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country.”
Hutchinson’s testimony suggests that Trump was deliberately inciting violence, heedless of the consequences. Indeed, according to Hutchinson, while the mob was screaming “Hang Mike Pence,” Meadows told her the president “doesn’t want to do anything. He thinks Mike deserves it. He doesn’t think they’re doing anything wrong.”
As if that were not wild enough — a president wanting to put his vice president in mortal danger! — there was also Hutchinson’s testimony about Trump’s attempt to join his followers at the Capitol. When the Secret Service refused to take him to the scene of the mob, Trump reportedly became so “irate” that he tried to grab the steering wheel of the presidential limousine and lunged at an agent who tried to restrain him. Has there ever been an incident of a president trying to attack one of his bodyguards?
To cap off the afternoon, Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) showed excerpts from witness testimony about efforts by Trump loyalists to prevent them from testifying. “They have reminded me a couple of times,” an unnamed witness was quoted as saying, “that Trump does read transcripts and just to keep that in mind as I proceeded through my depositions and interviews with the committee.”
Trump, naturally, claims to “hardly” know Hutchinson and calls her a “total phony.” (The list of former associates Trump says he does not know is a long one.) He quickly disputed Hutchinson’s testimony regarding the thrown meal and struggle in the presidential limo. But he is a legendary liar, and he isn’t testifying under oath — as she did.
What Trump has been credibly accused of is far worse than anything that Nixon ever did. There is, in fact, overwhelming evidence to show that Trump was guilty of trying to overthrow the United States government in a self-coup to perpetuate his power despite losing the 2020 election. Moreover, far from ending his plotting when he left office, as Nixon did, Trump continues to spread lies about the vote, to promote election deniers, and to do everything possible to rig the next president election.
In short, the cancer on the presidency that Hutchinson revealed is far more malignant than the cancer that Dean uncovered. The only way to excise this cancer is for Republicans to turn on Trump, as they eventually turned on Nixon after the revelation of the “smoking gun” White House tape.
In Trump’s case, we already have a battery of smoking howitzers. Yet, so far, even the previous testimony heard by the Jan. 6 committee has not broken Trump’s hold on his party. In a recent Quinnipiac poll, only 28 percent of Republicans said that the former president bore “a lot” or “some” responsibility for the events of January 6. Sixty-nine percent said he bore either “not much responsibility” or “none at all.”
If there is any justice in the world, Hutchinson’s testimony will finally break through the force field of indifference enveloping the Republican Party. But having seen Trump survive too many other scandals that should have ended his disgraceful political career, I cannot be overly sanguine that he has finally reached his rightful reckoning. The cancer has been exposed but could still continue to metastasize.

 
Trump will poll at dick with independents now and somehow the Republican party will convince him that he should support DeSantis or Abbot for POTUS instead of losing to Brandon again. Or Trump will be President again. Who knows.
 
If those people she implicated testify under oath that it didn't happen like that, will democrats care? I could easily see Trump losing his mind like she mentioned but I'm sure if those people testify, democrats will just say they're covering. It works both ways. What say you, @cigaretteman?
 
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If those people she implicated testify under oath that it didn't happen like that, will democrats care? I could easily see Trump losing his mind like she mentioned but I'm sure if those people testify, democrats will just say they're covering. It works both ways. What say you, @cigaretteman?
At least some of the already have. Your theory rests on the notion that this gal was put on tv to publicly testify without the 1/6 committee vetting her and her testimony ahead of time.
 
If those people she implicated testify under oath that it didn't happen like that, will democrats care? I could easily see Trump losing his mind like she mentioned but I'm sure if those people testify, democrats will just say they're covering. It works both ways. What say you, @cigaretteman?
 
If those people she implicated testify under oath that it didn't happen like that, will democrats care? I could easily see Trump losing his mind like she mentioned but I'm sure if those people testify, democrats will just say they're covering. It works both ways. What say you, @cigaretteman?

Im sure the committee would love to have the people she implicated testify under oath
 
Ms. Hutchinson delivered yet another smoking gun. Trump's insistence on letting his armed supporters into the rally and then telling them all to march on the Capitol was beyond the pale. This obviously tops two of the other "smoking guns" from previous hearings. The previous biggie was Trump telling Deputy AG Donoghue to just say "There was corruption and leave the rest to me and Republican congressmen." And of course the now infamous call to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger telling him to "just find me 11,780 votes." Poor Trumpster is getting consistently hammered at these hearings by Liz Cheney and the rest of the committee.
 
I bet Trump hardly knew this person!

And she's likely bitter he didn't offer her a job once he left office.
 
There's @cigaretteman, helpfully posting opinion pieces instead of giving one of his own.
 
If those people she implicated testify under oath that it didn't happen like that, will democrats care? I could easily see Trump losing his mind like she mentioned but I'm sure if those people testify, democrats will just say they're covering. It works both ways. What say you, @cigaretteman?
Oh sure, let's go with the fantasy hypothetical that I'm sure you've already incorporated as your "truth" about all this.

You people need to shut your "works both ways" pieholes until anyone tries to dispute Hutchinson's version under oath.
 
They will only listen when Merrick Garland grows a pair. Since he's on non-stop estrogen therapy, nothing will change. But Cassidy can call me and I would be happy to squirt her with ketchup and other condiments.
 
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Oh sure, let's go with the fantasy hypothetical that I'm sure you've already incorporated as your "truth" about all this.

You people need to shut your "works both ways" pieholes until anyone tries to dispute Hutchinson's version under oath.
Who the F are "you people?" I'm no Trump fan. I am just curious what will happen if any of those from the secret service are called to testify and refute her claims. I hope you have a better day than you're currently having.
 
This. None of the deniers want to testify, because they know they will have to lie under oath.
I know it's hypothetical but if one of the "deniers" (a secret service agent in the vehicle) would testify that her story is false, what then? Will you say they are lying under oath?
 
My guess is no:

By Max Boot
Columnist |


On June 25, 1973, former White House counsel John Dean shocked the country with his testimony to a Senate committee revealing President Richard M. Nixon’s complicity in the Watergate coverup. He recalled “telling the president that there was a cancer growing on the presidency and that if the cancer was not removed that the President himself would be killed by it.” He thereby set in motion the process that led to Nixon’s downfall a little more than a year later.
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It has taken 49 years, almost to the day, but on Tuesday afternoon we finally heard congressional testimony about presidential misconduct whose shock value might rival Dean’s. The question now is whether the Republican Party will finally realize that former president Donald Trump is not fit to hold office — that, indeed, our democracy might not survive another Trump term. Or will the GOP shrug this off, as they have every other Trump scandal, as a trivial distraction from what they regard as far more important issues, such as the price of gasoline?
Cassidy Hutchinson, who worked as an aide to then-White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, electrified a television audience, Dean-style, with her firsthand account of Trump’s actions in the weeks leading up to Jan. 6, 2021, and on that infamous day itself. There were too many jaw-dropping moments to count.
She described how Trump was so angry at then-Attorney General William P. Barr for saying that the 2020 election was not fraudulent that he threw his meal against a White House dining room wall, leaving a smear of ketchup. This was evidence of a president who made Nixon seem like a model of sanity by comparison.


She said Trump was aware that members of the crowd on Jan. 6 were armed but insisted that the Secret Service take the magnetometers away. She quoted Trump as saying, “I don’t f---ing care that they have weapons. They’re not here to hurt me.” This gives a particularly sinister cast to the sentiments Trump expressed in public that day: He told the crowd on the Ellipse to “fight like hell” and tweeted, while the mob was ransacking the Capitol, that “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country.”
Hutchinson’s testimony suggests that Trump was deliberately inciting violence, heedless of the consequences. Indeed, according to Hutchinson, while the mob was screaming “Hang Mike Pence,” Meadows told her the president “doesn’t want to do anything. He thinks Mike deserves it. He doesn’t think they’re doing anything wrong.”
As if that were not wild enough — a president wanting to put his vice president in mortal danger! — there was also Hutchinson’s testimony about Trump’s attempt to join his followers at the Capitol. When the Secret Service refused to take him to the scene of the mob, Trump reportedly became so “irate” that he tried to grab the steering wheel of the presidential limousine and lunged at an agent who tried to restrain him. Has there ever been an incident of a president trying to attack one of his bodyguards?
To cap off the afternoon, Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) showed excerpts from witness testimony about efforts by Trump loyalists to prevent them from testifying. “They have reminded me a couple of times,” an unnamed witness was quoted as saying, “that Trump does read transcripts and just to keep that in mind as I proceeded through my depositions and interviews with the committee.”
Trump, naturally, claims to “hardly” know Hutchinson and calls her a “total phony.” (The list of former associates Trump says he does not know is a long one.) He quickly disputed Hutchinson’s testimony regarding the thrown meal and struggle in the presidential limo. But he is a legendary liar, and he isn’t testifying under oath — as she did.
What Trump has been credibly accused of is far worse than anything that Nixon ever did. There is, in fact, overwhelming evidence to show that Trump was guilty of trying to overthrow the United States government in a self-coup to perpetuate his power despite losing the 2020 election. Moreover, far from ending his plotting when he left office, as Nixon did, Trump continues to spread lies about the vote, to promote election deniers, and to do everything possible to rig the next president election.
In short, the cancer on the presidency that Hutchinson revealed is far more malignant than the cancer that Dean uncovered. The only way to excise this cancer is for Republicans to turn on Trump, as they eventually turned on Nixon after the revelation of the “smoking gun” White House tape.
In Trump’s case, we already have a battery of smoking howitzers. Yet, so far, even the previous testimony heard by the Jan. 6 committee has not broken Trump’s hold on his party. In a recent Quinnipiac poll, only 28 percent of Republicans said that the former president bore “a lot” or “some” responsibility for the events of January 6. Sixty-nine percent said he bore either “not much responsibility” or “none at all.”
If there is any justice in the world, Hutchinson’s testimony will finally break through the force field of indifference enveloping the Republican Party. But having seen Trump survive too many other scandals that should have ended his disgraceful political career, I cannot be overly sanguine that he has finally reached his rightful reckoning. The cancer has been exposed but could still continue to metastasize.

Her story is 100% a bunch of shit. You loser libs believe everything, it's so funny. Kangaroo court, no judge, no cross examination, no ability to open up all the video and evidence. Boneheads.
 
Ummmm. Full disclosure, I don't know if Politico is left/right leaning or if it's a good source.


I’ve heard conflicting stories on whether they talked to people on background, directly interviewed or what exactly, the secret service people seem to be hedging their comments VERY carefully right now.

When all is said and done though, to me - after all their careful groundwork to date, documenting everything, all the interviews, documents collected, etc., it’s inexplicable to me that the committee hear would have a special hearing with this woman as THE key witness for the day, and not be able to corroborate her sworn testimony somehow.


If they can’t, then it’s a monumental screwup and gives trump and co the fig leaf they badly need to discredit the rest of what they’ve accomplished to date.
 
Methinks Ms. Hutchinson wasn't too interested in a job at Mar-a-Lago which included cleaning up ketchup thrown on dining room walls.
Likely not, but my point is that Turd will claim she's just resentful and trying to exact revenge against him.

Few people with any sense of self decency would want to work for 45.
 
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Likely not, but my point is that Turd will claim she's just resentful and trying to exact revenge against him.

Few people with any sense of self decency would want to work for 45.
What enrages/amuses me is when those that do work for him are "shocked" at his behavior. Oh my God, you just saw in him what every sane person saw since before he ran? Shocking!
 
Hate to tell you this Mr. Bonehead, but the hearings are not a court.
No but don't you think you'd want to hear from the people she claims said/did what she says beforehand? You've got to be a total dumbass to put her up there only to have everybody say it is a crock an NOBODY corroborating her.
 
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What enrages/amuses me is when those that do work for him are "shocked" at his behavior. Oh my God, you just saw in him what every sane person saw since before he ran? Shocking!
Maybe they're just "opportunists"?

Seems anyone that has ever worked for Turd has written a book or gotten financial gain from a "speaking tour".

At least the ones that didn't go to prison for him.
 
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Maybe they're just "opportunists"?

Seems anyone that has ever worked for Turd has written a book or gotten financial gain from a "speaking tour".

At least the ones that didn't go to prison for him.
I'm sure there are many of those. But I don't know why you'd want to work for someone who's clearly mentally ill and will absolutely throw you under the bus if it got him so much as a discount on a hamburder.
 
No but don't you think you'd want to hear from the people she claims said/did what she says beforehand? You've got to be a total dumbass to put her up there only to have everybody say it is a crock an NOBODY corroborating her.
NOBODY? You have to be a troll. The only people not co"rr"oborating with her are Trump and these SS officers that have yet to come forward.
 
Oh, so after meticulously building a case to this point, you think they threw this gal out there to testify with no corroboration?
Yep. Why have hearsay from an aid when you can have the 2 ss agents in the car testify to his actions. He lunged at the agent and tried to choke him? Really, then get the agents on the stand! What's the hold up. If they are subpoenaed they have to testify. The agents in Clinton's trial had to.
 
My guess is no:

By Max Boot
Columnist |


On June 25, 1973, former White House counsel John Dean shocked the country with his testimony to a Senate committee revealing President Richard M. Nixon’s complicity in the Watergate coverup. He recalled “telling the president that there was a cancer growing on the presidency and that if the cancer was not removed that the President himself would be killed by it.” He thereby set in motion the process that led to Nixon’s downfall a little more than a year later.
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It has taken 49 years, almost to the day, but on Tuesday afternoon we finally heard congressional testimony about presidential misconduct whose shock value might rival Dean’s. The question now is whether the Republican Party will finally realize that former president Donald Trump is not fit to hold office — that, indeed, our democracy might not survive another Trump term. Or will the GOP shrug this off, as they have every other Trump scandal, as a trivial distraction from what they regard as far more important issues, such as the price of gasoline?
Cassidy Hutchinson, who worked as an aide to then-White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, electrified a television audience, Dean-style, with her firsthand account of Trump’s actions in the weeks leading up to Jan. 6, 2021, and on that infamous day itself. There were too many jaw-dropping moments to count.
She described how Trump was so angry at then-Attorney General William P. Barr for saying that the 2020 election was not fraudulent that he threw his meal against a White House dining room wall, leaving a smear of ketchup. This was evidence of a president who made Nixon seem like a model of sanity by comparison.


She said Trump was aware that members of the crowd on Jan. 6 were armed but insisted that the Secret Service take the magnetometers away. She quoted Trump as saying, “I don’t f---ing care that they have weapons. They’re not here to hurt me.” This gives a particularly sinister cast to the sentiments Trump expressed in public that day: He told the crowd on the Ellipse to “fight like hell” and tweeted, while the mob was ransacking the Capitol, that “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country.”
Hutchinson’s testimony suggests that Trump was deliberately inciting violence, heedless of the consequences. Indeed, according to Hutchinson, while the mob was screaming “Hang Mike Pence,” Meadows told her the president “doesn’t want to do anything. He thinks Mike deserves it. He doesn’t think they’re doing anything wrong.”
As if that were not wild enough — a president wanting to put his vice president in mortal danger! — there was also Hutchinson’s testimony about Trump’s attempt to join his followers at the Capitol. When the Secret Service refused to take him to the scene of the mob, Trump reportedly became so “irate” that he tried to grab the steering wheel of the presidential limousine and lunged at an agent who tried to restrain him. Has there ever been an incident of a president trying to attack one of his bodyguards?
To cap off the afternoon, Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) showed excerpts from witness testimony about efforts by Trump loyalists to prevent them from testifying. “They have reminded me a couple of times,” an unnamed witness was quoted as saying, “that Trump does read transcripts and just to keep that in mind as I proceeded through my depositions and interviews with the committee.”
Trump, naturally, claims to “hardly” know Hutchinson and calls her a “total phony.” (The list of former associates Trump says he does not know is a long one.) He quickly disputed Hutchinson’s testimony regarding the thrown meal and struggle in the presidential limo. But he is a legendary liar, and he isn’t testifying under oath — as she did.
What Trump has been credibly accused of is far worse than anything that Nixon ever did. There is, in fact, overwhelming evidence to show that Trump was guilty of trying to overthrow the United States government in a self-coup to perpetuate his power despite losing the 2020 election. Moreover, far from ending his plotting when he left office, as Nixon did, Trump continues to spread lies about the vote, to promote election deniers, and to do everything possible to rig the next president election.
In short, the cancer on the presidency that Hutchinson revealed is far more malignant than the cancer that Dean uncovered. The only way to excise this cancer is for Republicans to turn on Trump, as they eventually turned on Nixon after the revelation of the “smoking gun” White House tape.
In Trump’s case, we already have a battery of smoking howitzers. Yet, so far, even the previous testimony heard by the Jan. 6 committee has not broken Trump’s hold on his party. In a recent Quinnipiac poll, only 28 percent of Republicans said that the former president bore “a lot” or “some” responsibility for the events of January 6. Sixty-nine percent said he bore either “not much responsibility” or “none at all.”
If there is any justice in the world, Hutchinson’s testimony will finally break through the force field of indifference enveloping the Republican Party. But having seen Trump survive too many other scandals that should have ended his disgraceful political career, I cannot be overly sanguine that he has finally reached his rightful reckoning. The cancer has been exposed but could still continue to metastasize.

It’s really embarrassing how many Democrats and Trump haters will take as gospel testimony from second hand sources and anonymous sources. It tells you how much of a sham this Jan 6th committee is when they are willing to take testimony from a woman who is telling a story of an incident regarding Trump assaulting an FBI officer and trying to grab the steering wheel as he wanted to go to the Capitol building when her story is contradicted by the two men who were actually involved. I mean, who does this? Why would you bring her on to tell a story of what happened when two other agents were directly involved? It’s a sham.
 
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Hate to tell you this Mr. Bonehead, but the hearings are not a court.
And there never will never be one.

Clown show to deflect the shit show the dems have done to the economy.

This will drag on till 2024 or the election in November.
 
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