Okay, thank you. Have a wonderful day Mr. Fife.
Lesson learned. Nip it in the bud! Now carry on please.
OT-Former Iowa State player shot and killed
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Okay, thank you. Have a wonderful day Mr. Fife.
Lesson learned. Nip it in the bud! Now carry on please.
I think it was low .1 something, it was low enough to get a deferred judgement I know.
Oh, so you have no actual facts... just 'what you think'. Anyone surprised by that?
Time to move on from here. You have well worn out any welcome you might have though ever existed. From this point forward, you shall be forever known and referred to as 0C (zero credibility).
Difference is Fran had a zero tolerance policy. What ever he did to get asked to leave never had any criminal charges or involved the police. With BDJ this kid suspended and asked to leave the other 2 programs. You'd think their would be stricter guidelines or penalties if he got in trouble or screwed up. But no instead of doing any thing of the such Fred tried to make an agreement with the PD and the neighbors. Seriously how many players go to 3 schools for sports and get asked to leave or suspended at all 3.
Didn't Iowa say Hubbard left on his own because he was homesick? Either way, he didn't vet him that well or it was a failure
So you think if Jok blew a .12 he would have had to miss games but didn't have to because he blew a .087? C'mon
It's pretty obvious that he's responding to your direct comment that said Thomas "barely blew over the legal limit".
Or Fran had stricter guidelines for players coming in with a more checkered past unlike ISU did with BDJ. Just like USC did with BDJ so the kid had another shot to play somewhere they said he left on his own accord and didn't throw the kid under the bus. But it is common place for coaches to talk and say what happened (minus art briles claiming Boise St coach didn't mention the sexual assault history of player they brought it in but we know why now.) This isn't anything new or just done by Iowa.
Again 2 routes can play hold kid with troubled history to higher standards or you can enable him and try to work out a deal with police and neighbors. Which one route long term you think will be more beneficial to the kid later in life....
...when he did what he did to get kicked out. Hubbard wanted to leave Iowa as much as BDJ wanted to get high in Ames...
So Fran vetted and vouched for a kid that he deserved a second chance and would be a positive member in the community then had to kick him out of school less than a month after he got on campus. Not a good look for Fran in my opinion
I'm gonna keep saying this: apparently fran is doing something right with his discipline and type of guys he brings in as they all are or become quality citizens when they leave fran. Fred's track record is not so good
You think Fred would have got Bubu Paolo out of his sexual assault trouble if he was actually good? I think he would have made that disappear.
Fred is in Chicago now but Iowa State is having more success on the basketball court and not breaking any rules so I think whatever they are doing is working
I think you mean not breaking any laws, sounds like Cooke and McKay broke plenty of rules this year, such as showing up for practice.
The official statement was he wanted to play closer to home so I will use your logic and say nope he left on his own terms never had an issue, it works for you. Time for your to switch back to Jok, then Hubbard, then Jok, then Hubbard, then Jok, then Hubbard.....very nice work Herky Cy, your approach now means Iowa and Iowa State each have their very own poster striving for the coveted MAP award, Most Annoying Poster, the criteria is pretty straightforward, repeating the same thing ad nauseum, ignoring the facts of the situation, never looking at your own program and acknowledging any issues and did I say repeating the same thing again and again and again and again.......well you get the point...ooops, sorry you and Herky won't but the rest of us do.
The only reason you think I'm annoying is because I'm pointing out things that discredit your shots against Iowa State. The Iowa fans that think their school never does anything wrong and all the other schools are out there breaking the rules or being slimy are almost as bad as the Iowa State fans that think they would win the Big Ten in football every year
I mean not breaking any rules like they are winning on the basketball court and aren't cheating to do it
That wasn't my point. My point is fran is being successful (obviously not as good as fred was) with quality human beings. Fred was taking whatever he could to win.
And if you had to choose between the two you would take less wins and less success?
Way to twist the words of maybe one or 2 posters. People are not insinuating Iowa never does wrong but if you really want to get into a pissing match about who has brought in more questionable players and have had more issues with getting into trouble then yeah ISU tops Iowa in that.
But ignore the facts such as BDJ asked to leave and suspended 2 prior schools but has issues at his 3rd school and what does ISU do? Zero policy get rid of him nope try and work out a deal with police and neighbors. Sure that really helped him learn his lesson....
(Side note top post on Hawkeye Report for month of May #1. Lone Clone, #2 CyCity)
Well considering that the more success situation means making it to the sweet sixteen once in 5 years, then yes, I'll take the coach putting out quality citizens and guys who represent the University very well while still being very competitive over guys that give the image of take whatever you can in exchange for a few extra wins.
Iowa State has two Sweet 16's in the last three years. Fran has never been to a Sweet 16 in his coaching career and Iowa hasn't made it to a Sweet 16 since 1999
I didn't know we were just referring to Fred, you'd take Fran's success over what ISU has done in that same time span?
It is a good accomplishment and a result of taking on and managing some marginal characters. ISU on it's own merit is just not a destination for players. Therefore their coaches must work every angle and murky area to have any measure of success. They can even need additional favors from the community.
In the end those decisions netted ISU 1 more win in each tourney run than Iowa and in those 4 games comprising the sweet 16 runs they beat exactly 1 power 5/6 school. The cost is shuffling through a number of cast offs and questionable guys in essence using them so an insecure fanbase can puff out their own own chest.
Problems happen at all schools Iowa included and Iowa has similar problems at times attracting players but there is more of willingness to try to find kids who are believed to have character (does not always work) and a willingness to try to encourage them to take school seriously because we all know few guys make it to the next level. The approach of ISU seems more like Baylor.
In a word, yes. Fred did it mostly with mercenaries who were little more than hired hands. Everyone knew what was up very soon after he started. And I still think that house of cards will collapse in time.
This house of cards was supposed to collapse after Royce left and now just keeps getting pushed back every year because ISU keeps bringing talent in. ISU will make their 6th straight NCAA tournament appearance this year, Iowa has never done that before in program history
Game, set and match. Time to get CyCity off the court so they can sweep up and turn off the lights!
Holy shit, you really can't read. Yes. The answer is yes. I would take fran competing and finishing 3rd in the big ten over what fred did with a bunch is shady characters. Just leave already
If he can't figure it out after reading this then we know he is probably in some type of Institute
That's odd to me but I appreciate you answering the question honestly. Winning is by far the most important thing for me but I know it isn't that way for everyone.
Odd would be someone claiming to be all about winning and claiming to support a football team that is what.... 120 or so games below 0.500.
0C fits you to a tee!
