What about Matt Thomas? I didn't even know Nader plead not guilty but I don't know why that would change if you suspend someone or not. If you get an OWI you're going to miss basketball games at Iowa State regardless of your past situation or how it happened.
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What about Matt Thomas? I didn't even know Nader plead not guilty but I don't know why that would change if you suspend someone or not. If you get an OWI you're going to miss basketball games at Iowa State regardless of your past situation or how it happened.
Again, this has been beaten to death. I'm not comparing Jok to anyone. As DanL pointed out in a previous post, he was barely over the legal limit for a minor. And he was driving a moped. I did far worse when I was his age. Move on. Your hard on for this is beyond ridiculous.
You cannot state that with any degree of certainty. We have already dissected the 'incident' with Jordan Railey. He overturned a multi-ton vehicle endangering not only himself but others and missed all of two whole games because that is supposedly what the 'code of isu conduct' said would be appropriate. Had that 'incident' occurred out of season instead of during the OOC portion of a season, you cannot know how isu would have handled it. Pretending to do so makes you look even more foolish.
What is a known quantity is the amount of games someone such as Jacob Lattimer did NOT miss when he was drunk/under the influence and assaulted others on multiple occasions while in Ames. Does isu and its venerated code of conduct have different rules for athletes offending at differing times?
Quit while you are only a lap or two down. Your insistence to continually bring forth this repetitive nonsense reinforces the notion that you are nothing more than a troll looking for whatever interaction you can elicit here on HR. Run back to CF and tell them how well you have done and do not embarrass yourself here anymore.
October, Jones allegedly struck fellow freshman Garrett Jackson in the team locker room, fracturing his nose, teammates who witnessed the incident said. He also had a confrontation with a resident advisor in his dormitory.
Eventually, Jones was given an ultimatum by O'Neill: Transfer or face dismissal from the team.
Jones' stepfather, K.C. Jones, confirmed the argument with the dorm advisor but said he was not aware of a locker room fight. He also denied Jones was threatened with dismissal, saying he left because "It would have been torture for him to play out the year with a coach he wasn't happy with."
Numerous attempts to speak to Bryce Jones at his dormitory and by telephone failed, and he did not return multiple messages left for him by phone and text. Jackson declined to talk about the locker room incident.
K.C. Jones said O'Neill lied during the recruiting process when he "guaranteed" Bryce would play 30 minutes a game.
O'Neill denied making such promises, adding, "I'm sorry I couldn't meet his needs as a coach. I hope his future is a bright one."
K.C. Jones said Bryce was "attacked verbally" by the resident advisor, adding, "When you're attacked verbally, you respond. You don't just stand there and get abused."
Jones started USC's first 10 games,
So that blows away all the excuses being made for him that "he never had a chance " because (he grew up black and poor)
Well comparing driving a several thousand pound car on a public highway while drunk to a moped?
Defending his conduct isn't the same as excusing it or explaining it. And for the record, I haven't done any of the three.
The legal limit for a minor is .02, Jok blew over a .08 which is an OWI for anyone regardless of age
Iowa State basketball has always suspended a player 2 or 3 games for an OWI regardless when it occurred so I can say it with certainty
October, Jones allegedly struck fellow freshman Garrett Jackson in the team locker room, fracturing his nose, teammates who witnessed the incident said. He also had a confrontation with a resident advisor in his dormitory.
Eventually, Jones was given an ultimatum by O'Neill: Transfer or face dismissal from the team.
Jones' stepfather, K.C. Jones, confirmed the argument with the dorm advisor but said he was not aware of a locker room fight. He also denied Jones was threatened with dismissal, saying he left because "It would have been torture for him to play out the year with a coach he wasn't happy with."
Numerous attempts to speak to Bryce Jones at his dormitory and by telephone failed, and he did not return multiple messages left for him by phone and text. Jackson declined to talk about the locker room incident.
K.C. Jones said O'Neill lied during the recruiting process when he "guaranteed" Bryce would play 30 minutes a game.
O'Neill denied making such promises, adding, "I'm sorry I couldn't meet his needs as a coach. I hope his future is a bright one."
K.C. Jones said Bryce was "attacked verbally" by the resident advisor, adding, "When you're attacked verbally, you respond. You don't just stand there and get abused."
Jones started USC's first 10 games,
To be fair to Jones, does anyone actually plug in their dorm phone anymore? Ours collected dust under our beds
I don't know why I even respond to your crud. Again:
"That's close. Jok barely blew over the legal limit, so close it was within the margin of error. He was riding a moped with a light out and no safety flag. It was Oglesby's moped, by the way. We can continue to play stupid, which you do well, or we can realistically say that one thing kept Peter from going home with no more than a warning. He was twenty. The legal limit is lower for underage drinkers."
The incident with Jok was full of barely and close. He was barely under 21. Not some sixteen year old kid. He was barely drunk and if he'd been 21 he'd never have been arrested for the reason I just explained last night. And he was barely operating a vehicle. It was a moped!!!
These are facts you conveniently ignore as you seek to have the book thrown at Jok well after the incident.
You are as freaking nuts as Kilroy and worse yet, at least he is a Hawkeye fan.
Jok got an OWI because he blew over .08, if he would have blown under .08 he would have gotten a zero tolerance and not an OWI. Age has nothing to do with it. I had a friend who was 28 at the time blow a .083 and he got an OWI, Jok blew a .087
Was Sam Mack in the vehicle overturned by Lattimer? Sorry, had to throw that in for LC.
Can someone confirm all aspects of Joks two month suspension? IIRC he had no access to team facilities or benefits. I believe that to include training table. If anyone has had to pay to feed a college athlete (I have and do) I would pick missing a scrimmage and game rather than a two month food bill any day.
Can someone confirm all aspects of Joks two month suspension? IIRC he had no access to team facilities or benefits. I believe that to include training table. If anyone has had to pay to feed a college athlete (I have and do) I would pick missing a scrimmage and game rather than a two month food bill any day.
Oh, I guess the fact that Pete was on the path to a deferment and dismissal is trumped by the claim that you've got a friend.............
Wow, the Judge was a big dope! If Jok blew over .08 how could he have ever given him the chance to be let out of the charge!?!?!? Should have executed the young man for his own good!
If you blow under a .15 you are eligible for deferment. Matt Thomas got pulled over for a brake light out, barely blew over the legal limit, got a deferred judgement and was suspended for three games. Pretty much anyone that blows under .15 gets the option to and takes a deferred judgement. The only time you're not eligible is if you have prior charges or already took a deferred judgement on another incident, refused to blow, blew over .15 or caused bodily injury during the incident
How many times did the cops let Fred handle Thomas' drinking issues before this one though? We know Ames PD went to Fred first before actually doing anything. That's a real slippery slope that Fred started.
Wow, aren't you now arguing with yourself? And yet still the thing you can't argue with...Jok is doing pretty well these days, and your guy, the guy you kept defending (enabling) over and over again, is dead! Man, you've got nerve to even show up on this board.
I'm not defending BDJ. I'm defending the Iowa State basketball program considering many on here have taking shots at ISU saying they don't discipline their players
Now you are just about lying. NO, NOW you aren't defending BDJ. And NOW you should not have to, the young man paid the ultimate price for his mistakes. But what I'm saying is that before his death, you spent many posts defending everything from why he was never charged to what he supposedly never did (throwing a chair at Hoiberg.) Just like your posts regarding not caring what kind of grades ISU players get.
You have even claimed there was no proof as to BDJ having violent tendencies.
How can you look at yourself in the mirror? You are the embodiment of the win at all costs attitude. As far as I'm concerned there should be asterisks beside ALL of Hoiberg's wins at Iowa State! *****! This is what happens when winning at all costs is the school creed.
Or he wasn't a player or in season and no games were at risk so the PD can trot him out to show there is no favoritism. I am assuming he was suspended from team activities for two months or for the customary 3 games(probably should be more since he is a role model for the players).
I don't get how Fred was winning at all costs but Fran isn't. Fred never brought in a convicted felon, Fred never let a player get arrested twice, spend four days in jail and then never suspend them for a single game. I actually don't think there is a single basketball coach in America that would do that honestly but that's up to Fran and how he wants to run his program. It appears Fran will do what it takes to win. For what it's worth, I don't have a problem with Fran's or Fred's approach since neither of them have broken any rules
I won't engage in this little pi$$ing match you 2 have going on, but I can absolutely tell you that Pete would have MUCH rather missed an exhibition and a couple early season non-conference games than being suspended from team activities for nearly 2 months. It would also seem he's learned his lesson (isn't that what "punishment" is for?), so for you to say the punishment wasn't appropriate is either ignorance or just pure trolling.
It seems like he learned his lesson of course, I can only assume if something happens to him in the future Fran will be the first one blamed like Fred was for BDJ though
Nothing says laying down the law like missing games against Mississippi Valley St and UMKC!
Except I didn't say that. I would guess that there are many people who played a role in shaping how BDJ turned out (himself included). You can defend Bryce and Fred all you like, just stop throwing $hit against the wall regarding Pete's situation as your primary defense.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebask...d/32922/anthony-hubbard-spurns-iowa-after-all
Good article on Hubbard and Iowa. Fran went to great lengths to vet this guy. How many questionable players did Fred being in on transfer compared to the one for Fran, one who didn't even end up going to Iowa.
And limited punishment and enabling can get someone catching the dead.
Hey Herky... Umm CyCity, please show me where Hubbard shows up in a box score or practice. But keep beating that drum, it's very herkeyesque of you. To go slow for you, that's not a compliment and may be one of the meanest things I have typed.
I would assume that only having two go to responses while the opposition just seems to keep finding additional information would become frustrating but it seems to work in your mind.
"Fred never brought in a convicted felon". The man's name is Anthony Hubbard. Or does he not get a name while you are using him to slam Iowa's program? He spent four years in prison and was released. Supposedly in our society that means he gets to live as a free man and participate in life with the rest of us. He was given a scholarship at Iowa, and though getting confirmation of exactly what happened seems impossible, he left Iowa and it appears he was kicked off the team.
The fact that Fred never brought in a convicted felon means nothing to me.
It is not common enough for my satisfaction, but you do realize that occasionally a young person learns from their mistakes? Well, I guess you don't as a "convicted felon" shouldn't get a chance to rejoin the world.
That seemed to work out well. I think players deserve a second chance so I had no problem with Fran doing it but let's not pretend like Fran doesn't realize winning is the most important thing. If he didn't feel that way he wouldn't have taken a chance on Hubbard in the first place
Limited punishment? BDJ never got convicted of a crime in Ames and he still got suspended for a game. He even lost his starting spot for showing up late to a shootaround. That's a lot more strict than what Fran does when you get in trouble with the law
I didn't know Nader had past OWI problems but if as stated on here it was in another state state. This article said Nader was was still on suspension when Thomas was arrested and that is over 8 weeks since his arrest.. Jok's situation was serious enough to require jail time yet after performing admirably during the summer he did not have to miss games.
Fred also said Nader and Thomas had responded well after their longer suspension but still had to miss games. Granted those teams weren't that competitive but I'm sure players are not wanting to be in street clothes at the beginning of the season.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...-thomas-iowa-state-cyclones-hoiberg/10523211/
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When Fran gives a kid a second chance he's just being a good guy, when Iowa State does it they're thugs and Iowa State is scum for doing it. I have no problem with giving kids a second chance, it seems Iowa fans are the ones that do
Well shoot, you forgot to complain that Jok was allowed to travel overseas after his arrest. That used to be a pretty big complaint you had.
Yes I guess that is how it turns out. Our transfers are guys who end up being Student-Athlete of the year like Uthoff. Of course you don't think that means a thing. Or they are gone before they cause trouble like Hubbard was gone within weeks of his committal. You guys held on to Noskowiak longer than we did Hubbard. And that's with your CURRENT coach.
Or, we did see a guy transfer for lack of playing time. (Dickerson).
But one thing we haven't seen is a transfer who caused ANY published problems at Iowa that was allowed to stay on the team. And another thing we haven't seen under McCaffery is players leave Iowa and exhibit criminal behavior.
So, yup, you are right. Fran's a good guy and Iowa State appears to be kind of scummy.
I think the one thing we can agree on is that we're both happy with where our programs are at now and the direction of where they're going.
