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Actually, I believe history would say otherwise.
There's actually two NCAA rules in play. You're not allowed to scout in person and you're not allowed to record your own video of an opponent.So you can watch as much film as you want...but you can't actually be at the game? That makes sense.
Nobody connected to the football program can attend another team's game? Never mind that somewhere between 50-100,000 other people are there.
This classic NCAA, picking at some nuance selectively while ignoring the important stuff.
Will laugh my ass off when he leaves for real.harbaugh likely hoping to get through this year, win it all, then jump to the Bears with the top 2 picks to work with. A nice escape plan
I get the filming part (is Michigan accused of that?) but that fact that you can't scout a team live seems a bit silly.There's actually two NCAA rules in play. You're not allowed to scout in person and you're not allowed to record your own video of an opponent.
So yeah, you can watch as much television coverage or game film *submitted from the opponent* as you wish. You cannot buy a ticket with a seat opposite the team you're scouting, run a camera on their signal callers, then sync up that film up with game film to decipher the signals.
Yes, Michigan is accused of that. And yes, I agree the rule against in person scouting is outdated.I get the filming part (is Michigan accused of that?) but that fact that you can't scout a team live seems a bit silly.
Yes, Michigan is accused of that. And yes, I agree the rule against in person scouting is outdated.
Careful ... with the Iowa staff’s reputation for bending or breaking the rules or attempting to do soNot that they need to, however seems to be looking at every advantage possible to make it to CFP. Under Harbaugh, anything is possible.
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-nc...tions-related-to-sign-stealing-161714176.html
That’s all the evidence I need. They are clearly watching the signals from across the field and once they have them they call pass or whatever. Obviously knowing the signals.
I’m not a Michigan fan but this seems ridiculous…nearly every serious team on the planet watches film and would look for those cues.
Huge nothingburger….and the NCAA still sucks….see Noah Shannon for proof.
How could a coach NOT know what was going on? Hell, he's on staff, on the sideline with printouts, cue cards and images standing and walking by the staff, etc and you say you have no idea what's going on there? Given his history as noted, I smell a rat yet I'm not sure how much can be levied against Michigan, a slippery slope given their record and run to the CFP.The bottom line is this: Sending a staffer to games around the country for the purpose of filming to gain advanced knowledge of a team is against the rules. Evidence of how extensive Michigan's staffer was involved in doing that and who on the Michigan sideline knew about it, continues to pile up. And while there isn't proof (yet) that Harbaugh knew about it, he's already been caught lying to the NCAA previously. Personally, I think he knew about what Stalions was doing and fully endorsed it.
Dude, a nothingburger?I’m not a Michigan fan but this seems ridiculous…nearly every serious team on the planet watches film and would look for those cues.
Huge nothingburger….and the NCAA still sucks….see Noah Shannon for proof.
Oh wow.
Wins should be vacated.
Our demands may be met, I don't think there is any way Harbaugh is coaching there next year, the AD and Prez have put up with enough IMO. From satellite camps to hiding in trees to not recalling cheeseburger purchases and the like, very embarrassing for the University.@BigOHawk ,
I demand that you demand that the B1G demand that Michigan demands that Jim Harbaugh resign, effective immediately.
Thank you.
Michigan hasn't yet been presented with the case from the NCAA on "burgergate"...the NCAA hasn't done it...period...so stop with he got caught lying...you are a joke...he hasn't gotten caught...he hasn't even been officially accused...Michigan is still waiting for the official document so they can respond within 90 days...none of that happenedThe bottom line is this: Sending a staffer to games around the country for the purpose of filming to gain advanced knowledge of a team is against the rules. Evidence of how extensive Michigan's staffer was involved in doing that and who on the Michigan sideline knew about it, continues to pile up. And while there isn't proof (yet) that Harbaugh knew about it, he's already been caught lying to the NCAA previously. Personally, I think he knew about what Stalions was doing and fully endorsed it.
Every team steals signs...well every team attempts it (including Iowa)...what Michigan is accused of is how they did it...the reason Michigan is as good as they are on D is recruiting and coachingDude, a nothingburger?
The video clearly shows the guy looking over to the sideline and relaying the info to the coach.
Why would a low level staffer be right there????
THEY KNEW EXACTLY WHAT PLAY THEY WERE RUNNING.
To me that's 100% CHEATING.
There's a reason they are the best defense in the country.
Every team steals signs...well every team attempts it (including Iowa)...what Michigan is accused of is how they did it...the reason Michigan is as good as they are on D is recruiting and coaching
You don't have any idea what this is about. Basically everyone who has ever coached, played or covered the game has come out and said this is what teams doEveryone is doing it…everyone is doing it. You think like a child. Not everyone has a hired spy crisscrossing the fecking country. That’s what this is about, kiddo.
You don't have any idea what this is about. Basically everyone who has ever coached, played or covered the game has come out and said this is what teams do
Get it kiddo
Teams hire guys to do it...
What we did is not the question...it's, AGAIN, how we are accused of doing it...I will again reiterate that my gut (mixed with what I'm hearing) suggests it happened
I live in the adult world...a world were you can see right and wrong and put both into context...you should try this world...it's fine
LOLYou don't have any idea what this is about. Basically everyone who has ever coached, played or covered the game has come out and said this is what teams do
Get it kiddo
Teams hire guys to do it...
What we did is not the question...it's, AGAIN, how we are accused of doing it...I will again reiterate that my gut (mixed with what I'm hearing) suggests it happened
I live in the adult world...a world were you can see right and wrong and put both into context...you should try this world...it's fine
Buddy, if you don't think all the additional stuff coming out and yet to come is not huge, I don't know what to tell you. They found stuff on their computers also. Jimmy won't be there next year.You don't have any idea what this is about. Basically everyone who has ever coached, played or covered the game has come out and said this is what teams do
Get it kiddo
Teams hire guys to do it...
What we did is not the question...it's, AGAIN, how we are accused of doing it...I will again reiterate that my gut (mixed with what I'm hearing) suggests it happened
I live in the adult world...a world were you can see right and wrong and put both into context...you should try this world...it's fine
Every team steals signs...well every team attempts it (including Iowa)...what Michigan is accused of is how they did it...the reason Michigan is as good as they are on D is recruiting and coaching
Funny how the talk of extending Jim ended pretty quickly.The way Michigan went about it is clearly violating NCAA rules.
For teams that were coming up on their schedule (including teams who they thought they might meet in the CFP), they had someone sitting on the other side of that team's sideline filming the entire game.
Tickets were purchased on both sides of the stadium for last Saturday's Penn State at Ohio State game. Michigan has to play both teams yet, of course. This story broke on Friday. The result? Those seats sat empty the following day.
What Michigan did is clearly an NCAA violation and it clearly gave them a competitive advantage.