you think points per game allowed is a great way to measure a team's defense, dont you?
OT---THT Declares for Draft
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you think points per game allowed is a great way to measure a team's defense, dont you?
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tht was way better earlier in the year and looked more and more exhausted as time went by. how in the hell does he think he can last an entire nba season. but i digress the nba is like a brothel. use em up and find the few that can start on a roster. the younger the better. the maturity is not there for most 18-19 year olds to be a pro nor to even handle their personal affairs.
He was passed over by Haliburton and Babb in the starting lineup and never earned his spot back.
He either regressed, was a bad teammate or Prohm doesnt know what the hell he is doing.
THT put up big numbers against bad competition for the most part. Look at his season numbers and conference numbers.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/talen-horton-tucker-1.html
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was hoiberg just better at managing these pro prospects? prohm doesnt seem to be able to handle them well. not sure. any ideas? hoiberg seemed to manage the players better but not sure.
Oh I sense a snobby metrics post coming to explain that it was actually GOOD that he was benched, played less MPG, shot a lower FG %, got to the FT line less, averaged fewer assists, points, steals and is now a year older and less healthy. Think he’s glad he came back for that shit show? But but offensive efficiency!!! Kenpom!
I watched parts of maybe 6 or 7 ISU games, so I have seen a pretty limited sample. How is THT the 27th best prospect in the NBA draft? I see talent and strength, but he seems like a D league guy who will need to find exactly the right team at the right time to get into the rotation of an NBA team.
Most draft picks are end of the bench guys or GL guys. End of the first round guys are usually projects because the teams are good and are looking at someone they think they can develop. Horton-Tucker was the youngest player in college basketball if I remember correctly. 7'1 wingspan at 6'4 and a versatile game where he can play multiple positions.
He went from being the dog on a bad team to having more competition for minutes and shots on a much improved team. His field goal percentage this year was 41.4% and last year was 41.3%. Almost everything he did was better, just had fewer minutes to do it in. The injury played a huge part in that.
But since you go on a tirade about these comments, answer me this, did Moss and Bohannon regress? Were they part of a shit show this year? Or did their productivity decrease because Iowa had more options on offense so less burden was on them like was the case with Wigginton.
He did improve this year. And yes metrics do count. Much better at measuring how a player is doing compared to just raw stats.
Prohm continued to develop Nader into a pro prospect. Same with Burton. Same with Morris. Same with Long. He has not had a problem developing pro prospects so far.
the #1 reason is probably his age..he is only going to be 18 when next season starts.
Well, quite simply, my belief is that basketball only takes ONE great player to make a team click. This year that player was Shayok. He can whiff on 3-4 transfers per year and find a Shayok type to be all B12.
I think he's a better prospect than Romeo Langford honestly. I don't see how that kid projects at #17 overall, fine player but not sure he translates well into the NBA.
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my question is more can he manage them properly. lard transfer. wiggington and tht dont seem to want play on a team. the rest were shaped by hoiberg predominatly. i dont deny prohm helped get them ready for the nba. tht was all prohm from recruiting on. tht gets tired as the year goes on and less productive and is now gone.
Yes let’s compare JBO and Moss to a 5 star, one and done recruit that would’ve been drafted but returned to get benched on a .500 B12 team. I’m sure he’s stoked he came back.
If he felt he would have been drafted he would not have come back.
Recruit rankings do not determine who gets drafted.
I'm not going to freak out about it, but that lineup will struggle mightily to score and making the tourney would be a tremendous achievement.
What does this have to do with the NBA draft? He got better as a college player. Doesn't mean his NBA prospects are any better. Maybe, basketball isn't your thing.
Wigginton would have been a late 2nd round pick. In hindsight, he is probably bummed he didn't leave. But a lot of that is likely the injury, and you can't account for that.
I think Hoiberg had his share of issues and handling the team. He appeared to have a hands off approach, which maybe was more lenient.
Hoiberg was also blessed with a few key leaders on his roster that did the self policing.
Hoiberg was also blessed with a few key leaders on his roster that did the self policing.
Don’t worry there are plenty of “our” own Iowa fans that like to say no Iowa players have ever progressed under Fran even though there is quite a few examples to prove otherwise.
I don’t follow Iowa St quite close enough to know if he progressed or regressed under Prohm.
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agreed he got a bit lucky with some of the personalities he landed. prohm has a good one in halliburton hopefully they can build something around him.
Look what thread we are in. Also, provide data on his improvement as a college player so I can email Prohm and show him why he was wrong for sitting him.
Why does the thread title make a difference. You were saying he wasn't a better player in college this year vs last because of his raw numbers. I would bet money that Prohm would say he improved as a player. He played him plenty he just didn't start. In close games, he was in at the end of the game.
His PER went from 15.9 to 19.9. And that is mostly conference games after an injury so he didn't have easier games to pad his stats.
I think Prohm messed up in not starting him when he came back from an injury.
I think he was better this year. Prohm stated many times he didn't want to mess with the chemistry of the team since they were playing so well when he was coming back from injury.
Had he not been injured, he never would have lost his spot.
Shooting percentages remained mostly the same. ORtg and DRtg improved a ton. He was better by basically any measure. Putting up a bunch of stats as the only good player on a bad team doesn't really mean much to me.
Seems like ISU had great chemistry as the season went on.
You said Prohm kept him out of the starting lineup due to chemistry but then admitted there was no doubt chemistry problems?
That doesnt make sense.
He was your most talented player last year and literally lost his spot in the starting lineup due to injury. It was crazy not to insert him back in there once he was healthy.
Points per game down, 3 point % slightly down, fg % same, assts down. ORTG 101 to 110 this year and DRtg 110 to 102 this year. Improved a ton? I don’t know.
A 9 point Ortg invcrease is huge, and an 8 point DRtg decrease is huge. Combined that is a massive improvement.
I have no idea how Joe W isn’t ranked much higher than THT. He’s taller, faster, more versatile, a better athlete, and better shooter.
Love Wieskamp but he is not a better athlete or more versatile than THT.
THT is also 15 months younger than Wieskamp.
It could be but tough to compare one season where you play an average 35 mins a game vs playing 25 mins a game. Was he better? Or just better rested?
It is possible for a player to improve and still play less if the team improves dramatically. Wigginton did not battle Shayok, Haliburton, a healthy Babb, etc for minutes last year. Now, he did have Jackson, but the point remains.
You scoffed at me bringing up Bohannon and Moss. Well, the same is true for them. Their minutes stayed basically the same as last year, but due to the presence of Weiskamp, McCaffery and an improved Garza, they both saw their production dip. It isn't because they regressed or that Fran did not coach them right, it is because the team had better overall parts and not as much was needed from them.
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