Think it, speak it, put it in your heart (i.e. live it). This symbology is common to Catholics and Buddhists. It's how humans learn (or are inculcated).
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You certainly appear to disagree with the comments that often faith is the impetus for bad behavior. It certainly sounds as if you doubt whether those who behave poorly are "truly" adherents of their professed faiths. I suggest you either make that argument and stand behind it, or don't put it out there.
For what it's worth, (Buffalo Springfield, c.1967) I identify as a fan of The Big Guy (AKA Jesus of Nazareth).
Also, to use one example, if someone highly reputable like Marinelli wants to give Jesus credit publicly that is OK since we still have freedom of speech.
HOWEVER, if one considers themselves a follower of Jesus, they should NOT rip on Mr. Vodka for his opinion. One does not have to agree with it, but Colossians 3:8 DOES spell out how to interact with the world. Indicate disagreement/agreement and leave it at that.
Humility is the ticket to avoid "Holy Wars" that are starting to manifest themselves in this thread. This advice applies to me too.
Also, to use one example, if someone highly reputable like Marinelli wants to give Jesus credit publicly that is OK since we still have freedom of speech.
HOWEVER, if one considers themselves a follower of Jesus, they should NOT rip on Mr. Vodka for his opinion. One does not have to agree with it, but Colossians 3:8 DOES spell out how to interact with the world. Indicate disagreement/agreement and leave it at that.
Humility is the ticket to avoid "Holy Wars" that are starting to manifest themselves in this thread. This advice applies to me too.
Getting to the pinnacle and acknowledging a higher power(God) got her there because she knows it takes more than materialistic things to be successful. It makes sense when you see where she's at and you're at. And no, there won't be vodka in Heaven.
FWIW, “For What It’s Worth” is widely considered to be a Vietnam protest song, but actually was about the LA riots over local curfew laws.
I don't feel compelled to argue about that. You seem to have attributed that which I did not intend to me.
I didn't see any hint of what your talking about in anything said by any wrestler in an interview. The original use of "Truly" was by another. Ask them to clarify what they meant. I assumed they meant live as Christ lived based on the context.
I read @Trapper85's post as stirring a pot, which assumed blind faith perhaps perverted from its origins.
I believe another's response was in reference to AJ not living his words. And maybe @el dub was referring to evangelicals backing Trump. But I could've been reading between the lines.
Why would I see the need to jump into any of this? I thought all the points were obvious.
Sure, people of blind religious faith--as well as faith in nothing but science-- can lead to atrocities. So what's the important distinction you think needs to be made?
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I understand your point. And if believers are pushy with their faith it may have the opposite of the intended result. There is a fine line. I am a believer who is married to a nonbeliever so I get this.
Over 2000 years later and the Jesus clowns are still saying the world is ending.
Can you acknowledge that Tibetan Buddhists have never been involved in causing the kind of harm to which you speak?
If so, can you admit that not all religions have led to atrocities?
I am putting that out there.
Not all religions are founded on the existence of a God.
What an odd post. Nobody made the claim that religions have led to atrocities, and nobody has argued that all religions are founded on the existence of a god. The argument is that while religion can lead to good behavior, it can also lead to bad behavior.
Yes. That is what I meant. As opposed to kamikazee pilots, Jim Jones, jihadists with bombs strapped to them, suppression of women, and endless wars as mentioned by Trapper 85.
And I argue any attribution of behavior to religion is not the root cause. Lack of a religion can equally lead to bad behavior, as good. All religions are made up by mankind. So it is simply mankind doing as it pleases.
Man alive this thread took a wrong turn and sped up instead of turning around.
Define good behavior vs bad behavior, please.
Also, please clarify what mores, folkways, or institutional ways you are basing this societal norm for behavior on, absent any religious foundation.
Then do same for societal norms with a religious foundation.
Then maybe some examples of behaviors (short of atrocities since that's apparently your constraint). Might I suggest limiting births to 1, infanticide, and abortion (since crusades are out)?
Then maybe a meaningful dialog would be possible.
What an odd response. I acknowledge all of it. Rudimentary reading and logic skills would have told you that.
Spoken like a human incapable of unconditional love. Spoken like a child incapable of understanding adult behavior while speaking for the adult in question.
Live it. Don’t tell me how to live it. Show me.
Or brainwashed. There are too many cases of, “Do what I say, but as I do,” for words to mean much, imo.
However, that’s not where I’d put the words of his holiness….. (I was fortunate to catch one of his lectures.)
Btw… Any idea on when Buddha will (re)incarnate as a woman?
Clinging to the desire to ease suffering and pain may lead to a forks in the cosmic highway, eh?
Nah, we don't have to worry about any of that. We all signed our houses over and our paychecks go straight to the church's treasury. The only thing we have to do each Friday is pick up all our weekly allotted supplies at the compound before the Sabbath starts.
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That isn't all she said. She took it further and preached to others about what they should believe. Aaron Brooks has done the same. Anyone doing that in a public setting is opening themselves up to warranted criticism and mockery.
I spend my time calling compliance offices? I spent 30 seconds 6 years ago calling one office. You've objectively spent more time posting on a message board about me calling that compliance office than I spent on the phone. Rent free in your head for 6 years.
The reality is that training, hard work, coaching, family support, sponsors, and mental strength are what gave her success. The mental strength part likely comes from her religious belief. If you think praying to a ghost in the sky is the reason for your success you might not be "lying", but you are delusional.
Then you do you and let her do her. What is your beef really? If you don't like her message ignore it. We all filter out stuff many times a day that we don't agree with. Are you so violently anti-religion that no one is allowed to promote it? It's her damn right to say anything she wants. We live in America you know.
Very presumptuous. Vodka knows nothing about the beliefs of the wrestlers outside of a few minutes of interviews. The arrogance is astounding. I love that he knows enough about the source of “mental strength’” to feel confident calling others dilusional. Where does mental strength come from? Perhaps vodka has solved the hard problem of consciousness.
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"Then you do you and let me do me. What is your beef really? If you don't like my messages ignore them. Are you so violently anti-anti-religion that no one is allowed to critique it? It's my damn right to say anything I want. We live in America you know."
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If you think praying is more of a cause of success than hard work, training, coaching, financial support, etc, etc, etc then you're delusional.
Mental strength is one component of success and that's the component that you could attribute religious benefit to.
You don't seem to have comprehended my post.
Glad this is off-season.
I believe the best argument against the existence of a loving god is religion.
I don't think a loving god would create a world in which people fight over which day of the week is sabbath, which clothes you can or can't wear, which foods you can or can't eat, which appliances you can or can't use past sundown on the third Thursday of every third month, which people you can or can't marry or have sex with, which people are destined for heaven vs. hell, and a whole laundry list of other stuff that just causes misery and angst and anger between otherwise decent human beings.
Otherwise God is sitting back with a big bowl of popcorn enjoying the show in the Middle East and everywhere else in the world where people are killing each other and blowing themselves up to prove he is on their side.
But my wife is devout, some of my friends and relatives are devout (Barry Davis is the greatest guy ever); and I have no interest in converting (or un-converting) anyone, no issue with people pointing at the sky after winning, or praising God in a post-match interview, and no issue with Vodka poking fun at it. Because what do I know? Other than that the universe is big and my brain is the size of a Big Mac.
Live and let live. I just hope we can stop killing each other over it.
Thanks for the off-topic diversion
I believe the best argument against the existence of a loving god is religion.
I don't think a loving god would create a world in which people fight over which day of the week is sabbath, which clothes you can or can't wear, which foods you can or can't eat, which appliances you can or can't use past sundown on the third Thursday of every third month, which people you can or can't marry or have sex with, which people are destined for heaven vs. hell, and a whole laundry list of other stuff that just causes misery and angst and anger between otherwise decent human beings.
Otherwise God is sitting back with a big bowl of popcorn enjoying the show in the Middle East and everywhere else in the world where people are killing each other and blowing themselves up to prove he is on their side.
But my wife is devout, some of my friends and relatives are devout (Barry Davis is the greatest guy ever); and I have no interest in converting (or un-converting) anyone, no issue with people pointing at the sky after winning, or praising God in a post-match interview, and no issue with Vodka poking fun at it. Because what do I know? Other than that the universe is big and my brain is the size of a Big Mac.
Live and let live. I just hope we can stop killing each other over it.
Thanks for the off-topic diversion
I have had far too much whiskey this afternoon to entirely follow this thread. Cedar Ridge distillery gets 5 stars from me (out of 5 in case that’s not clear).
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