There are endless stories about things like this. What the **** is the answer?!
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Wait! I thought we were supporting our police again. Man this board gets topsy turvy doesn't it?
Holding the White Supremacists who were far too much of a % of said nationwide police force accountable?! Amen.Phuckn Biden amirite!
That's the answer. Keep arresting the bad ones. And no it's not endless stories. Millions of contacts a day, so keep focusing on a few bad ones and not the many positive ones. That's how you usually roll.
It’s almost like we can support and want reform at the same time. Maybe that’s too complex for you.Wait! I thought we were supporting our police again. Man this board gets topsy turvy doesn't it?
Thread title sux. There is no "nationwide" police force......
That's the answer. Keep arresting the bad ones.
I would argue that wanting transparency, accountability, reforms where needed, as well as finding ways to fund programs and policies and initiatives known to be crime preventative is the best way to support law enforcement. Never mind supporting economic policy that creates a more stable society, which, ultimately, is the greatest crime prevention tool available.It’s almost like we can support and want reform at the same time. Maybe that’s too complex for you.
Yep....hold the bad ones to account.That's the answer. Keep arresting the bad ones. And no it's not endless stories. Millions of contacts a day, so keep focusing on a few bad ones and not the many positive ones. That's how you usually roll.
And, "bad ones" include the alleged "good ones" that do or say nothing when "bad ones" do their sheet...Yep....hold the bad ones to account.
Do all the correlations, bro. All of them. Socioeconomic conditions micro and macro. All of them. Don't just pick and choose the ideologically-affirming! Pretty please with sugar on top!I'm taking a morning shit.. thought I'd check up on you all. And just like I thought, you idiots are arguing about the same shit you always. Hey, do fatherless homes and the correlation to crime rates next! Helmets
Wait! I thought we were supporting our police again. Man this board gets topsy turvy doesn't it?
I think you have to identify how many police/civilian interactions there are daily the calculate how many are inappropriate and/or criminal, then categorize them and build your new hire screening and training program around those statistics.
I think you have to identify how many police/civilian interactions there are daily the calculate how many are inappropriate and/or criminal, then categorize them and build your new hire screening and training program around those statistics.
And both will continue to do what they do even after being prosecuted and incarcerated.Having experienced racism from our finest, all I can say is there are a lot of racist neanderthal mouthbreathers on the police force. It's even worse because there is a cabal between these neanderthals and their bff's forever white prosecutors who will indict anything that isn't white and absolve anything white, especially with a badge on.
So you want to address the problem from an "after the fact" point of view? Why not screen candidates better as well as curtail their training upon entry into the force. Additionally, police do need a sense of brotherhood and trust, BUT that goes out the door when criminal behavior is involved--no different than the armed forces brotherhood mentality.To me rather than go through all of that nonsense, I think I would rather just figure out that when cops do bad things. . . when they break the law while in uniform. Why do their fellow cops also cover for them and why is it often so damn hard to prosecute them.
Policing is never going to be perfect but we can make it a whole heck of a lot better if we can remove the barriers that often stand between bad police officers and consequences for their actions.
Too many people are willing to fight tooth and nail to protect a cop who has broken the law.
To me, two parts that need to be looked at are qualified immunity and increased transparency. Not the least of the reasons for the current frustration towards law enforcement for me are that police publicly rarely seem to be held accountable and few if any reasons are given as to why. We know they have review processes in place when stuff happens but the general public doesn’t know/understand what those are. So when it’s announced that an officer will not be charged after an incident, and all we have is limited video that on its own looks bad, people get angry because they can’t understand how they got away with it.To me rather than go through all of that nonsense, I think I would rather just figure out that when cops do bad things. . . when they break the law while in uniform. Why do their fellow cops also cover for them and why is it often so damn hard to prosecute them.
Policing is never going to be perfect but we can make it a whole heck of a lot better if we can remove the barriers that often stand between bad police officers and consequences for their actions.
Too many people are willing to fight tooth and nail to protect a cop who has broken the law.
I don’t see this as an either / or problem. Clearly, screening candidates needs to improve. Police training also needs to improve. So does the review/disciplinary process on the back end of all this as well. Even good cops can screw the pooch on occasion.So you want to address the problem from an "after the fact" point of view? Why not screen candidates better as well as curtail their training upon entry into the force. Additionally, police do need a sense of brotherhood and trust, BUT that goes out the door when criminal behavior is involved--no different than the armed forces brotherhood mentality.
So you want to address the problem from an "after the fact" point of view? Why not screen candidates better as well as curtail their training upon entry into the force. Additionally, police do need a sense of brotherhood and trust, BUT that goes out the door when criminal behavior is involved--no different than the armed forces brotherhood mentality.
To me, two parts that need to be looked at are qualified immunity and increased transparency. Not the least of the reasons for the current frustration towards law enforcement for me are that police publicly rarely seem to be held accountable and few if any reasons are given as to why. We know they have review processes in place when stuff happens but the general public doesn’t know/understand what those are. So when it’s announced that an officer will not be charged after an incident, and all we have is limited video that on its own looks bad, people get angry because they can’t understand how they got away with it.
I totally understand that a cop can make the best decision possible in that moment, but can have tragic consequences because they were wrong in hindsight. Police training needs to find ways to incorporate what they learn from these mistakes so that hopefully they happen less often in the future.
There are millions of arrests a year. You're probably completely over-valuing the problem in a relative sense.
I don't know how good we actually are at screening people though. I'm certainly open to trying anything that might improve the situation.
That said the part that I'm focused on is the barriers to consequences that seem to appear. To me eliminating those is also a preventative measure. Like any other job I'm sure you sort of learn on the job what you can get away with and what you can't get away with. So when a new cop sees that there are no consequences for roughing up suspects they are more likely to behave in a similar pattern.
People generally only follow the rules that are enforced in some way.
Chauvin would be rampaging the streets today if it wasn't for a teen and her cellphonee..Sounds like the police officer is being held accountable, which is a good thing. My only question is was this done on their own or did this require a bystander to video the situation so it couldn't be buried? If they self regulated themselves then I would call that progress. It is unfortunate this happened at all, though.
Mental health across the board!Mental health. I honestly believe that's the biggest issue facing policing today. I suspect there are a lot of LEOs suffering from PTSD, anxiety, depression, etc. that aren't getting the help they need.
On top of that, our current culture has a very antagonistic view of what should be deemed an honorable profession. In addition to weeding out the Derek Chauvins of the world, police officers need better support and better pay.
This country's mental health SUCKS!
For the good ones for sure. Lots of pos people also infiltrating the ranks and White Supremacists confirmed by their groups.Mental health. I honestly believe that's the biggest issue facing policing today. I suspect there are a lot of LEOs suffering from PTSD, anxiety, depression, etc. that aren't getting the help they need.
On top of that, our current culture has a very antagonistic view of what should be deemed an honorable profession. In addition to weeding out the Derek Chauvins of the world, police officers need better support and better pay.
For the good ones for sure. Lots of pos people also infiltrating the ranks and White Supremacists confirmed by their groups.
My counselor told me the mental health community has transition from asylums to the prison system and streets (homeless). That is so sad (and infuriating!)Yes, it does.
And it's only going to get worse.
Would‘t you think firing would be automatic after a felony conviction?The police need to police themselves if they want to win back the trust of the people.
Instead of doing things like this: