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Perry to ISU

If someone is no longer tied to their university scholarship then they were granted a release from their scholarship. They may have limitations on where they can transfer next, but they are still released from their scholarship. I guess the point is getting a release is the first step. Without a release it doesn't matter where u wish to transfer.
 
soooooooooo is perry going to iowa state or not?we know he is classy and would never do anything underhanded or vindictive.
 
Originally posted by grappler6:
If someone is no longer tied to their university scholarship then they were granted a release from their scholarship. They may have limitations on where they can transfer next, but they are still released from their scholarship. I guess the point is getting a release is the first step. Without a release it doesn't matter where u wish to transfer.
I get what you're saying, and it's a slippery slope for sure, what's right and what isn't, who can go and how often, etc., but the definition of the word release essentially means freedom from restraint. That isn't true if you're restricted where you can go, so its actually something other than a release.
 
Originally posted by grappler6:
Limited (can only choose certain schools, or schools in certain areas) releases are common, but they are still releases. So it sounds like technically Clark was granted a release, but he chose to attend a restricted school and had to sit.
Jackson didn't release Clark and made the classy parting shot that Clark wasn't good enough to make Iowa State's lineup.
 
Originally posted by bman546:
for clarification, Bubba Jenkins wasn't given the freedom to transfer. Cael told Bubba he was yanking his scholarship, and he was free to go...
He was free to go to schools that Cael says was ok. Cael can only cover up his stink for so long before people are onto him.
 
What was the deal a few years ago with the Jake? Kemmerer kid (not our recruit) that had a deal between Oklahoma state and PSU. One of the coaches wasnt releasing. I forget if it was Smith or Cael but it got ugly, much like the Uthoff basketball transfer situation.

I think it was OK st trying to block him from going back home?

Im sure some PSU poster remembers. Funny IIRC he never panned once at PSU either.
 
Is your reliable source AZhawk and was the rumor what he posted from the ISU board?
 
If you're talking about me, I posted that after I read this thread to see if you all had heard anything.
 
What are Perry's credentials? Are they better than everyone else out there?

Two NCAA Titles
Assistant at PSU (1 year), Cal-Poly (1 year)
Co-head coach at Cal-Poly (1 year)
4 seasons at Illinois (was he associate head coach whole time?)

Is 6 years as an assistant and two titles enough to take over a program like ISU now?

Not commenting on Jackson since going to Ames, but:
4xAA
Olympic Gold
2x World Champ
OTC coach - 8 years
 
Everybody I have talked to says that KJ and staff are all the coaches at Iowa State as of yesterday. I trust my source.
 
Since we were 11th, 12th and 14th the last 3, you might be right or not.
 
Originally posted by theIowaHawk:
What are Perry's credentials? Are they better than everyone else out there?

Two NCAA Titles
Assistant at PSU (1 year), Cal-Poly (1 year)
Co-head coach at Cal-Poly (1 year)
4 seasons at Illinois (was he associate head coach whole time?)

Is 6 years as an assistant and two titles enough to take over a program like ISU now?

Not commenting on Jackson since going to Ames, but:
4xAA
Olympic Gold
2x World Champ
OTC coach - 8 years
Is it really a Jackson vs Perry thing? Jackson has proven to not be a good coach. He was removed as freestyle coach with USA wrestling and he's stunk it up at ISU. I would argue it is more of a Perry vs the field thing.

I don't think wrestling ability should be much of a factor. Were Rob Koll and Brian Smith great wrestlers?
 
I think perry would be crazy to walk away from a head big 10 opportunity if that is Illinois plan.
I don't see that happening unless there is a huge incentive or a breakdown of some sort at Illinois.
 
...and Terry to ISU has been discussed to death. Has there been any compelling evidence that he would ever leave iowa?
All I ever heard from him is he does not want the head ache of a head job. I heard he is very happy with his role with the Hawks and HWC.
 
Perry isnt going. Pollard already called him once two years ago. GOt a no thanks and then he resigned KJ.

Unless Pollard really mad one heck of a commitment to ISU wrestling then i dont see him making a change. KJ is doing just enough in a sport that doesnt matter to Pollard. He all about king Football and Hoiberg. He would tell KJ they dont get new head gear if Fred said he needed new practice shorts.

Besides that. Illinios is better recruitng ground than 2nd fiddle in your own state. And Scwhab may be psushing ISU to 3rd fiddle.

Only chance Perry to ISU would be hands down the largest contract of any coach. And if that was the case the first call from Pollard would be to Terry. its already happened once.
 
Originally posted by 255:
I think perry would be crazy to walk away from a head big 10 opportunity if that is Illinois plan.
I don't see that happening unless there is a huge incentive or a breakdown of some sort at Illinois.
Is anyone sure it's 100% he takes over if/when Heffernan leaves? or is that just the assumed scenario?
 
What do people think about ISU's place/prestige/ability to win now that the Big12/WesternWC have joined?
 
Originally posted by winwithdignity:

Yes Rob Koll was a great wrestler multiple AA and NCAA champ plus did very well on the senior circuit.
Lol. I knew better. Huge whiff on my part. Thanks.
 
Most of these talks are coming from everybody's reliable sources. "Perry said no thanks, Terry was offered the job, Perry is the new head coach."

Haven't not once found anything in writing or statement from any of these guys that any of these facts from reliable sources actually happens.
 
Originally posted by buf87:
Most of these talks are coming from everybody's reliable sources. "Perry said no thanks, Terry was offered the job, Perry is the new head coach."

Haven't not once found anything in writing or statement from any of these guys that any of these facts from reliable sources actually happens.
Do you see statements like this in any college sport? From a coach or from an AD? Until something happens there is seldom a statement. Doesn't mean conversations don't happen and that other people don't speak to each other.

If, for example, Pollard did call Terry and ask his interest level, and Terry said, "thanks but no thanks, I'm happy here" who and why would make a statement or put into writing that it happened? Doesn't mean it didn't, or that Terry (insert whoever you like) would never mention it to someone else.

You must hate all the NFL insiders who have sources. Gotta wait til there's a statement from one of the two parties involved.
 
I do understand that MnHawk. I also look at the original post of this thread. And next we are going to hear that Perry turned the job down and it was from a reliable source. When I am hearing from my "reliable source" that none of this rumor is true or has been true as of yesterday.

Could it be true in the future, maybe.
 
I never asked today, so if the coaches got let go of today, then I don't know about that

When I saw this thread I asked some people if Perry was the new head coach and they didn't know that and they probably would have.
This post was edited on 3/26 5:20 PM by buf87
 
Originally posted by buf87:

I do understand that MnHawk. I also look at the original post of this thread. And next we are going to hear that Perry turned the job down and it was from a reliable source. When I am hearing from my "reliable source" that none of this rumor is true or has been true as of yesterday.

Could it be true in the future, maybe.
COme on buf. you've been around enough to know this thread was started to troll and see what happened.
 
Originally posted by MN.HAWK:

Originally posted by buf87:

I do understand that MnHawk. I also look at the original post of this thread. And next we are going to hear that Perry turned the job down and it was from a reliable source. When I am hearing from my "reliable source" that none of this rumor is true or has been true as of yesterday.

Could it be true in the future, maybe.
COme on buf. you've been around enough to know this thread was started to troll and see what happened.
I don't know MN...everything ArabHawk has posted in the past, or at least his opinions, are pretty solid.
 
Originally posted by Ihawkd9times:

What was the deal a few years ago with the Jake? Kemmerer kid (not our recruit) that had a deal between Oklahoma state and PSU. One of the coaches wasnt releasing. I forget if it was Smith or Cael but it got ugly, much like the Uthoff basketball transfer situation.

I think it was OK st trying to block him from going back home?

Im sure some PSU poster remembers. Funny IIRC he never panned once at PSU either.
It was Oklahoma and Jack Spates, and it was a letter of intent (akin to David Taylor's situation, not, say, Brent Metcalf's). Pretty sure that, once the year was up (which was irrelevant, frankly, as Cael planned on redshirting Kemmerer anyway), Spates had the NLI voided, meaning that Kemmerer got the year of eligibility (albeit not on the five-year clock) back.
 
Originally posted by ArabHawk:
Just heard a rumor from a reliable source that Jackson is out at ISU and Perry is in. Has anyone else heard anything?
You need a better "reliable source".
 
Just to clarify, the source themselves said it was only a rumor. This is why I posted it as a question. I thought maybe if there was any substance behind it, someone on here would have also heard something but it appears that there is nothing there (well, not yet at least).

I do think it would be very interesting for both Mark and ISU if it were to occur.
 
Andy Hamilton just reported that KJ's contract was extended through 2018. Apparently, what I heard was wayyy off on this one.
 
Originally posted by ArabHawk:
Andy Hamilton just reported that KJ's contract was extended through 2018. Apparently, what I heard was wayyy off on this one.
Either that or.........Andy Hamilton is wayyy off on this one.
 
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