PG plans?
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Did Williams play last night? Funny he isn't getting more minutes...to prepare for next year since our two PGs will be gone?
Just wondering...
Just wondering...
On one drive to the basket last night you could see the skills williams will bring to the point in the future. He just needs to gain confidence and understand the offense better and he will make us forget Ulis IMHO.
Even though not many minutes, I think he is getting valuable experience and hopefully there will be some more games where he can get more. Next year he will have the system down and be more comfortable. Then we should see a big difference. Not many opportunities this year with 2 senior PGs.
Every season has question marks. Next season are some big ones, and none bigger. I'm sure we'll be OK. I'm high on Bohannan and Williams certainly is going to be a big point guard.
In games like last night and a few others you have to wonder why Williams isn't getting more time, least I do. I think JB is gonna surprise a lot of people too.
YOLO.
No but it will be williams/bohannon.
Even though dom's been lookin good, I just don't see next year being great next year, even if Jok/Dom emerge as the next great Iowa duo. It certainly won't be a sub 500 season, but will be growing pains, and probably fall short of a bid.
I'm predicting starting lineup of
PG: Williams
SG: Ellingson?
SF: Jok
PF: Uhl
C: Wagner.
No but it will be williams/bohannon.
Even though dom's been lookin good, I just don't see next year being great next year, even if Jok/Dom emerge as the next great Iowa duo. It certainly won't be a sub 500 season, but will be growing pains, and probably fall short of a bid.
I'm predicting starting lineup of
PG: Williams
SG: Ellingson?
SF: Jok
PF: Uhl
C: Wagner.
Why a question mark by Ellingson? He's clearly the the 6th or 7th man on the current team. And he's looked pretty dang good: crafty, good passer, willing defender, scrappy rebounder, and of course a pretty solid outside stroke.
That starting lineup is going to have a lot of talent behind it coming off the bench if it is true. Baer, Hutton, Moss, Pemsyl, Kreiner, Flemming, Jones, Bohannon,and Cook... but that's next year and I'll let that class take care of itself then. Good things to come IMO
Imo, Williams will be an outstanding pg for Iowa (maybe 1st team all Big 10) before he graduates from Iowa. He is silky smooth handling the ball and has the potential to be an even better than pg than Dev turned out to be for Iowa. I also think he and moss will turn out to be one of the better back court tandems to ever play for Iowa.
There was a short stretch last night when Fran had pulled Mike and AC but not yet put Williams in. He had Brady and Andrew running the show together. I wonder if either of those guys is a back up plan for next year.
Agree mostly, except I think Cook is a lock to start next year.
I like this post beach....pay attention to it. I feel the same you do about Williams and Moss. Williams is a silky smooth talent and he and Moss were two of the better talents in Illinois last year so that means something....to me anyway.
Williams can get to the rim...with ease. I said in another post I think with his limited PT he is trying to be more of a facilitator with the ball but he can or would like to do a lot more and he can. I really can't wait to see how the talent Fran is stock piling plays out.
Williams isn't ready to get many minutes against better teams right now. He has a lot to learn about running the offense, but seems to have some nice tools, especially his wingspan. Bohannon probably has less upside, but I think he gives us a PG who can shoot extremely well and understands how to play. I think they will have some guys around them who can also create, which will help. I am a little concerned about next year, but it isn't like the cupboard is bare. Just not very experienced.
I've seen a lot of blind optimism on this board, but holy shit.
I've seen worse, are you kidding me? He just thinks Williams and Moss "can" turn out to be "one" of the "better" back court tandems to ever play at Iowa. I don't think that's a far off reach at all.....two very talented players from Illinois, one was a starter from Simeon (like that's happens at Iowa..
) and the other took his team all the way to the 2A state title game...in Illinois HS BB putting up big numbers averaging 18.7 points per game and 8.6 boards. You should watch some of those state tourny highlights for Williams and it may change your tune with V's optimism. Lot of upside with these two players and I am sticking with that.....
Agree. That's why I'm actually more excited about next year's team. I know senior leadership is important and the loss of Uthoff's scoring could be huge, but they'll be much more athletic inside and have a guy who can play with his back to the basket. The guards also have the potential to provide much more offense than Clemons and Gesell bring to the table (although defensively they likely won't be as good as those guys). They'll be some growing pains and learning to play with each other, but by Mar, I think that team could be more dangerous in the B1G tournament and NCAA tournament, if they make it. It will all depend on how long it takes them to gel.
PG is my biggest concern/question mark for next season. If we get good PG play I really like the teams chances. Too bad Ulis didn't commit to Iowa because he would make next year's team a dangerous team in the conference.
Were either of those guys PG in high school. I thought Williams played SG, but could be wrong.I've seen worse, are you kidding me? He just thinks Williams and Moss "can" turn out to be "one" of the "better" back court tandems to ever play at Iowa. I don't think that's a far off reach at all.....two very talented players from Illinois, one was a starter from Simeon (like that's happens at Iowa..
Lot of upside with these two players and I am sticking with that.....
These comments make me more optimistic...I think...I still wonder what the "perfect" dream plan might be...is there a player out there, that is being tracked that could "fall" into a real nice opportunity...a natural PG? Not being able to nab a top flight PG yet has been a puzzle...given the deeper talent on the court and the turn around which is in place.
Not to downplay what we have...we have some length and talent and some shooters.
If I was the coach...which I am not of course...one of my main goals would be to get Williams out there a lot...the clock is ticking and our two PGs will soon be gone...a game like Western would be a great place to give him some time...
Not to downplay what we have...we have some length and talent and some shooters.
If I was the coach...which I am not of course...one of my main goals would be to get Williams out there a lot...the clock is ticking and our two PGs will soon be gone...a game like Western would be a great place to give him some time...
If Fleming is running the point, we were ravaged by injuries. He doesn't have the quickness or skills to run the point. Plus I would be mildly surprised if Fleming was still at Iowa next year. Ellingson is ahead of him, is quicker and is a more consistent shooter. We have Moss available next year that will eat away some of the off-guard minutes from both Ellingson and Fleming. I suspect Andrew will see the writing on the wall and look elsewhere for playing time, unless he doesn't want to drop down a tier as I think his only transfer options would be to a mid major if he wants to get minutes at the D1 level.
A poster above referenced a play where Williams got to the rim late against Western Illinois, it was an impressive display of athleticism, unfortunately he didn't finish the play, but it gave us a glimpse of his skills. He and Bohannon will be responsible for the point next year with Ellingson helping out in a pinch. While Williams isn't getting big minutes this year, I suspect the fact he isn't redshirting makes a big difference in his preparation each week and even garbage time minutes will mean something as it relates to next year.
FYI, I said the same thing about Dev his freshman year........blind optimism there too, I guess. It is somewhat unfortunate that Williams isn't getting more playing time as that would help him develop faster, imo, as it did with Marble.
I think people need to keep in mind that many of these players will continue to develop and with each year they have additional experience and time in the system. I think guys like Brady Ellingson and Dom Uhl have already made some strides from last year and will take another leap forward. I think at least early on, you could see a line-up like this:
C-Will
Ellingson
Jok
Uhl
Cook
I think Wagner, Jones, Fleming, and Baer will be getting a lot of minutes early on off the bench. I think Moss will eventually be getting a lot of minutes as the season wears on, especially subbing for Jok and Brady. I would be surprised if one of Pemsl or Kriener (probably Pemsl) isn't redshirted. Just way too much of a logjam in the post.
C-Will
Ellingson
Jok
Uhl
Cook
I think Wagner, Jones, Fleming, and Baer will be getting a lot of minutes early on off the bench. I think Moss will eventually be getting a lot of minutes as the season wears on, especially subbing for Jok and Brady. I would be surprised if one of Pemsl or Kriener (probably Pemsl) isn't redshirted. Just way too much of a logjam in the post.
With four seniors this year it will be difficult for backups to get significant playing time once B1G starts. The team may go nine deep but the vast majority of B1G minutes will be the the five starters. Experience next year will be make the year tough, plus who is going to be the center? The year after than we may be a lot better.
Williams and Moss did a little a bit of everything for St. Theresa and Simeon. Williams has a learning curve with that PG position "only" in this league but his plan is to play that position at this level and with his skills and talents, I am not going to bet against him getting there. That is what this year is all about for Christian, working on it every day and if he can get there with his size and skill set....I get what Fran is seeing in terms of match ups and that is really good news for Iowa BB.
Check out these vids of both Williams and Moss. Check out about 1:37 in for Williams. I remember watching those length of the court plays in the state tourny last year....very
He is big and talented on both ends of the court and can not only get to the rim with ease but plays above it too.Moss is no different watching his vids...I think a better talent. He is big too (6'7") as a 2 or a 3. And boy can he dunk, gets to and plays above the rim....
Can you imagine Moss and Christian diving to the rim against smaller defenders out front as you see them do in these vids?
So yea.....these two if they stay in the back court could potentially be one of the "better" back court tandems we've ever had at Iowa.
Unless Iowa is clicking like an unstoppable machine as the year progresses...I don't see the risk of playing the younger guys at PG...even in critical games...it isn't like our two PGs are indispensable...they are adequate...but if a younger guy shows talent...and growth...get him in there, this year...more, rather than less minutes...it will pay off this year and next.
Sometimes switching PG or QB is a tough but rewarding move...for the team... two cents...
Sometimes switching PG or QB is a tough but rewarding move...for the team... two cents...
What are you watching that I'm not? Not saying Williams won't develop into a decent player, but he's been very suspect so far. His ability to finish, shot, and decision making - have all been poor in the little game time he's had.
I'm very concerned about the PG position moving forward.
I was just screaming at the tv the other night about Williams not being in the game.
I don't understand what Fran is doing. He needs to be getting 5-10 minutes every game this year.
I agree about the other poster with Williams and Moss, this will be our best back court since Ronnie Lester and Kenny Arnold.
We will be so much more athletic next year.
Baer, Uhl and Ellingson will have to step up their game if they want to play next year.
I agree about Flemming too. He has clearly been the most disappointing freshmen so far this season.
He will need to step up or he will likely have to transfer in order to get playing time.
I don't understand what Fran is doing. He needs to be getting 5-10 minutes every game this year.
I agree about the other poster with Williams and Moss, this will be our best back court since Ronnie Lester and Kenny Arnold.
We will be so much more athletic next year.
Baer, Uhl and Ellingson will have to step up their game if they want to play next year.
I agree about Flemming too. He has clearly been the most disappointing freshmen so far this season.
He will need to step up or he will likely have to transfer in order to get playing time.
Some of these games we are big Williams has to be in there way more. How is he to get game time experience on the bench. Just as well have redshirted if he's only gonna play a couple minutes.
Armstrong-Gamble, Armstrong-Marble, Woolridge-Kingsbury, Haluska-Horner.
I am glad Steve you put Ronnie and Kenny out there cause potentially with Moss and Williams...I agree they could be right there with those two. I get the concern by other folks cause they want to see a Yogi type, baked and cooked already at the PG position but the upside with Williams both offensively and defensively, physically if he can progress his PG skills is immeasurable....I'd like to see it happen cause the length on the perimeter and athleticism will be very hard for other teams to match up with. And we will have Bohannan to give you another good pg.
And please don't measure players by the few end of the game minutes Williams and Fleming are getting now. All you have to do is watch Williams vid to see he has so much more to his game to give and to develop. Those HS vids I posted are not much different from Dev Marble's HS vids and he turned out pretty good.
Christian is just trying to be more of a facilitator and run out the dang clock in those final minutes...games over by the time he gets in there. Heck when it gets under a minute they stand out there waiting for the clock to expire wasting 30 plus seconds of the 3 or 4 minutes he is in there. I'd like to see Christian get more minutes too cause I think he can get the job done and I think he will as the season moves along.
And to think a lot of folks preseason thought Fleming would be the first, second or third player off the bench....
Fleming will be fine....give all of these players some rope cause they are all very talented BB players.
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