Probably his frame of reference because the majority of the conversation is about the last 10 years or so.
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It helps considerably when Penn State is able to spend $7.50 to every dollar that Iowa spends. Money talks, bullsh!t walks.
Unfortunately, I also have given up hope in this area for this decade. My only goal last year was for Lee to win, and for us to not lose the team scoring record. Well, Lee went down, and our team record has never been in more imminent danger of being broken.
And this was all before the gambling thing of losing Cass, et al, even the coach's son.
This is PSU's projected starting lineup:
125 Howard
133 Nagao
141 Bartlett
149 SVN
157 Haines
165 Mesenbrink
174 Starocci
184 Truax
197 Brooks
HWT Kerk
This is what is left for the B team (assuming guys who will actually redshirt/greyshirt this year would wrestle for a B side...):
125 Kurt McHenry/ Cael Nasdeo
133 Braeden Davis
141 David Evans
149 Tyler Kasak
157 Terrell Barraclough
165 Alex Facundo
174 Josh Barr
184 Donovan Ball
197 Lucas Cochran
HWT AJ Frischionne
Where does that B team fit in? Obviously, there are no potential champs in the B team, but there are a couple potential AAs in Facundo, Barr, and Kasak and several others who could qualify for NCAAs (McHenry, Davis, Barraclough, etc.). Where does that put them? 15th maybe?
Im outside of IOWA and I like it.The numbers are much closer than that. Iowa chose to spend their $31.6 million in private money on a large wrestling facility that nobody outside of Iowa seems to care about.
Inflation drives up budget for new Hawkeye wrestling facility
Inflation and supply chain issues have driven up the cost of two premiere University of Iowa construction projects about to begin – including a new wrestling facility featuring state-of-the-art locker rooms and practice spaces for the Hawkeye men’s and women’s wrestling teams.www.thegazette.com
I can make a list of all kinds of other things I dont like, but I won’t!
Its so much more than that. They are light years a head in coaching and recruiting. They surround
themselves with the best wrestlers.. Iowa surrounds themselves with Good guys that T&T like. with the exception of Lee there isn't a coach or HWC member that is better than NLWC.
Hey dummy, take a long walk on a short pier till you’re hat floats.
Oh and top of my list of things I dont like is you.
Sorry about that. I didn't realize I was posting on the Iowa board. I had two browsers opened at the same time. I deleted my posts.
I'm generally a lurker here. I don't usually post any negative about Iowa.
This is the second or third time you've attempted to spread this misinformation. You were shown the data recently yet continue therefore it is no longer exaggeration. I guess you figure if you say it enough people will start to believe it
For the year 2021, which is the most recent data available:
NLWC spent. $1,750,000
HWC spent $749,000
The NLWC spends about 2.34 times more than the HWC, which is nowhere near the 7.5 times you keep spewing.
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This playing field has been leveled.
Great thanks, dont forget about that walk. You know, stretch the legs
I apologize, all mighty one, when I hear something out of the mouth of the head coach I tend to believe it. I'll no longer pass information unless it comes from you.This is the second or third time you've attempted to spread this misinformation. You were shown the data recently yet continue therefore it is no longer exaggeration. I guess you figure if you say it enough people will start to believe it
For the year 2021, which is the most recent data available:
NLWC spent. $1,750,000
HWC spent $749,000
The NLWC spends about 2.34 times more than the HWC, which is nowhere near the 7.5 times you keep spewing.
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This playing field has been leveled.
In what world is $1.75 mil and $750k a level playing field? If they can spend a million more than us each year that is a huge difference!This is the second or third time you've attempted to spread this misinformation. You were shown the data recently yet continue therefore it is no longer exaggeration. I guess you figure if you say it enough people will start to believe it
For the year 2021, which is the most recent data available:
NLWC spent. $1,750,000
HWC spent $749,000
The NLWC spends about 2.34 times more than the HWC, which is nowhere near the 7.5 times you keep spewing.
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This playing field has been leveled.
I never said it was a level playing field, but I did quote @bnicolls . I thought most here would have recognized that, but I guess not. However, in reality you are spending $25 million on a new facility, but somehow no one is counting that money.
As for Greenhead, 2.34 - 1 to a far cry from 7.5 - 1
No one is forgetting the money going towards the new facility. You forget that we needed to work for it and raise money from top to bottom to even get things started. The building has nothing to do with annual spending, heck PSU would not even need to dip into their slush fund or make more then a few phone calls to accomplish this.
'Let's not kid anyone into thinking the Money dept is anywhere near level, that said Iowa needs to do a better job of bringing in top talent.
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i'm not sure you can deduce much from the +/- in spending between HWC and NLWC
HWC just don't have that many guys competing rn. I'd imagine a good chunk of that $$ from NLWC is flights + travel, which HWC will have go up when they build back up their roster.
HWC just don't have that many guys competing rn. I'd imagine a good chunk of that $$ from NLWC is flights + travel, which HWC will have go up when they build back up their roster.
How much the clubs show on their books has little to do with what recruits have been getting.This is the second or third time you've attempted to spread this misinformation. You were shown the data recently yet continue therefore it is no longer exaggeration. I guess you figure if you say it enough people will start to believe it
For the year 2021, which is the most recent data available:
NLWC spent. $1,750,000
HWC spent $749,000
The NLWC spends about 2.34 times more than the HWC, which is nowhere near the 7.5 times you keep spewing.
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This playing field has been leveled.
An even bigger chunk is the payroll for all the superstar wrestlers they have stacked their roster with. The point is that we can’t build a roster like that when we aren’t spending that kind of dough on wrestlers. One poster is saying we would have done better to spend the facility $$$ on the roster rather than a building.
There is nothing worth discussing, it really doesn't matter anymore. Carl has been recruiting at a 10 level the whole time and Brands at a about a 4 or 5, with money above the table now it's no contest. You can pretty much throw dirt on the rest of college wrestling as they are not touching PSU. Brands needed to spend more time getting things done and less time talking about getting things done. Iowa will be doing well to get second place. Everything about the Brands screams outdated. Carl streamlined recruiting, training, team psychology etc all the while running PR pushing PSU as the fun place to be with Iowa as the washed up robot graveyard and Brands did a great job selling Carl's PR campaign against Iowa for him. All with Carl rarely having to give much of any public comment.
Funny, Spooner...I was actually thinking the same thing when I read the intermat article earlier today...
Shake it off, my friend. It's up to the Hawks' leadership to figure out and fix what's broken. And you do care, otherwise you wouldn't be on here telling us you don't care.
When was it that tOSU got the top 3 recruits? 2 years ago? It's not just PSU; we need to be doing a better job against others as well.
It doesn't disappoint me either as long as we get our share of the top hitters. Barring that it disappoints the hell out of me and I'm going to keep discussing it/bitching about it until our leadership fixes the issue. Again, we're not just losing the recruiting battle against PSU. And as others have stated (and I agree with them), it's all about results at NCAAs. And until we fix that problem...well we're going to keep losing to PSU and we're going to keep bitching. There's simply no excuse. And I bet one of the stats guys on here can pull together stats that would indicate perhaps 5 or 6 schools have had as many, if not more NCAA champs than Iowa over the past 8-9 years...which is way unacceptable. I'm thinking PSU, Cornell, Missouri; maybe Okie State, NC State, VA Tech, Rutgers (gulp). I guess my thoughts are that we need to look past what PSU is doing and focus on what we're not doing. We're just not getting the job done when it matters most (recruiting and being ready at NCAAs).
People on here like, “if you can’t be happy for 2nd place than get the hell out!” lol.
another elite recruit that penn st didn’t need.
Fact is, this dampens the excitement around ncaas tourney and the sport in general.
I’d say the same thing if it was Iowa with #1 recruits up and down its lineup.
another elite recruit that penn st didn’t need.
Fact is, this dampens the excitement around ncaas tourney and the sport in general.
I’d say the same thing if it was Iowa with #1 recruits up and down its lineup.
So, let’s give them a reason to go elsewhere. The new facility will be nice, but I’d rather see more effort put into targeting and landing top recruits and making adjustments to game plans rather than apparently just working harder on what we’re already good at.
You are correct and the NIL does not help level the field at all.
As an Hawkeye fan I agree Things need to get better and we all know we have not been doing as good as we should down the stretch. I'm on board with making some changes, Improvement needs to happen and it will take time. unfortunately we have fallen behind and now some more big moves need to happen.
I will continue to be a Hard core Hawk fan and stay positive, heck we have not been beat 31-zip in wrestling. I will not say trust the process because the process needs to adapt, but I will continue to support our people knowing we have a great staff that always give 150% and will never give up.
I am just as excited for this season to start as any previous seasons. When a Hawkeye takes the mat, well for me there is no greater thing in sports. For this Hawkeye fan that will never change, Let's Go Hawks!
I wont argue you one bit on that man, but be careful you’ll get the handful of guys that will attack you saying “well we just got the number one recruiting class”. The class that has probably one kid in it that will ever score a point at nationals.
A PSU guy, but, I have a lot of Iowa friends (was at game Sat night with two). You are absolutely right when you say: “focus on what we're not doing”. I ask what would be the attitude if Iowa swallowed their well earned pride and hired David Taylor or Kyle Dake with Jason Nolf thrown in as an assistant. I’ll tell you >>> over night PSU would have A1+ competition from
Iowa for every damn recruit in the country. Beyond recruiting, …. teaching, training, and attitude would improve.
TNT have shown that they can evolve, but, you guys need a revolution. PSU got that when they hired Cael. You can do it too! You simply need to bite the bullet.
PS: I write this from the perspective of liking top flight competition.
Seriously? Talk about using the side of your mouth to push an agenda. 1 kid? You know they plan on Kueter wrestling this season, right? Arnold is a MONSTER and Block will almost certainly AA before he is done. Yeah, it SUCKS that Jesuroga decided to stop wrestling and Chittum's dad sucks EVEN MORE. But, to negate just how good of a recruiting class that was is asinine.
They controlled everything they could control at the time and UNDENIABLY did the best recruiting job under Brands and it wasn't even close. Hindsight is often 20/20, but it does NOT erase how well they recruited that year. Also, you can't ignore the fact that they have now landed at least 1 top 13(Cass is the only 1 outside the top 10) p4p wrestler since they upped their game in 2015 driving overnight to Kemerer's home, except for 2019 when they didn't have much room with nearly all the starters being underclassmen on the best team they had since 2010.
2015-Kemerer
2016-Marinelli
2017-Lee, Warner, Lugo
2018-Cass, DeSanto
2019- Assad was their highest recruit, ranked in the 20's.
2020-Kennedy, Eierman
2021-Ayala
2022-Chittum, Woods, Teske
2023- Jesuroga, Kueter, Arnold, Franek, Caliendo
If you look at it by itself. That is super strong. Again, many are comparing it to PSU and what they are doing is UNPRECEDENTED. Again, I agree with everyone that says they want more, need more and aspire for Iowa to match PSU. But, PLEASE for the LOVE OF GOD, stop acting like they are "hot garbage" in areas they are actually doing very well if you compare them to everyone else but PSU...
How am I trolling? You win all the time , you will expect to keep on winning. Especially if you keep recruiting successfully and keep on getting great results.
Any fan base will feel entitled and assume they’re going to win. In any sport. I’m sure Iowa expected to win during the height of Gable’s run.
Over the years I’ve seen opinions and speculation of why psu would soon drop off the top, the first being Ruth and Taylor are gone.
The more likely reason for their success is Sanderson is a great coach and helped to build a great organization. The school can claim 3 world title winners another another club member, Snyder.
They’re getting it done top to bottom from college to the worlds . They’re obviously going to get their share of top recruits.
I think you hit the nail on the head, my friend, and that's been perhaps my biggest complaint, that all we do is hire Iowa guys onto our staff. We need diversity on our staff. We need guys with different perspectives, different ways of doing business, and different ways to approach NCAAs. Much of the time our guys are either injured or they fail to make the adjustments needed to excel at NCAAs (and I'm referring to bringing home the gold). I would love to have DT and Dake on our staff. They are well known champions who are still killing it 10 years after graduation. They can train and prepare the middle and upper weights, taking them to the next level, and they have the personalities to recruit future champions and/or make future champions want to come to Iowa. On top of that our HWC needs to bring in talent that will be competitive on the world stage. And currently Spencer is an island of his own on that front.
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